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When we are dead, will we know it?

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Like from a physical/mental standpoint. I'm not asking if it's possible, or for scientific evidence or anything like that. I want to know what YOU think about my question. Do you ever ponder death, in general, and wonder if even for a short few seconds, after we die, that somehow, we will be cognizant of it?

For those who believe in the afterlife, what part of ourselves will realize and experience that?

This might be a stupid question, but I have often wondered this.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't believe anyone has any knowledge of their death from an intellectual standpoint, since the brain dies with the body.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Like from a physical/mental standpoint. I'm not asking if it's possible, or for scientific evidence or anything like that. I want to know what YOU think about my question. Do you ever ponder death, in general, and wonder if even for a short few seconds, after we die, that somehow, we will be cognizant of it?

For those who believe in the afterlife, what part of ourselves will realize and experience that?
I think we have interpenetrating physical. astral and mental bodies. At death the astral and mental bodies permanently separate from the physical body. I believe this is what people experience and describe in Near Death Experiences. We will feel much the same but lighter without the dense physical body.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Like from a physical/mental standpoint. I'm not asking if it's possible, or for scientific evidence or anything like that. I want to know what YOU think about my question. Do you ever ponder death, in general, and wonder if even for a short few seconds, after we die, that somehow, we will be cognizant of it?

For those who believe in the afterlife, what part of ourselves will realize and experience that?

This might be a stupid question, but I have often wondered this.
If we keep the ability to 'see'......we will stand from the body and see the remains did not follow

If we transcend to another 'gathering'......the rules will be different
you need to be quick to catch on
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Like from a physical/mental standpoint. I'm not asking if it's possible, or for scientific evidence or anything like that. I want to know what YOU think about my question. Do you ever ponder death, in general, and wonder if even for a short few seconds, after we die, that somehow, we will be cognizant of it?

For those who believe in the afterlife, what part of ourselves will realize and experience that?

This might be a stupid question, but I have often wondered this.

I never had a concept of any type of afterlife (or repeated lives such as rebirth). I would have never had any if I didnt come on RF. I had a break through earlier this year with having outpatient general anethesia surgery to replace the battery of a device (VNS for seizures) in my chest.

I was in the operating room watching all the doctors fiddle with their gadgets. A nurse came up to me and said, holding a breathing mask, "here, this will help you breathe" and that was it. Lights out.

It made me think of a couple of things both disturbing but helpful nonetheless

1. It made me think of the holocaust. Brief note, instead of helping me breathe, it kills me instead.... did the victims philosophize? That wasnt the first thing on their mind whether jesus were god and whether its rebirth or reincarnation.

2. *Cough* It made me think of the Dharma. The Buddha taught that once we know everything about suffering and mortality (birth/life/age/death) we actually die.

While Im not a sacred-book person, the Dharma has a lot of life facts I didnt really get until I started reading how he put different lessons which are a lot into analogies. Being a poet, that was a breathe of fresh air. I understood.

3. Anethesia (and the nurse) made me think that when I was wheeled intot the operating room, I could have had so many things in my head from practical things such as infections and stroke to the off ball things like would I go to heaven if I dont wake up. I had none of that. Even with my brain surgery, I had none of that.

So, it made me think this afterlife-stuff is highly subjective. Its not a fact at all but what we use, say our beliefs or connection with family or early retirement, to cope with life and its end.

One abbot told me at the temple I went to, her master had to go into the hospital for blood preasure. They wanted to give her all of these meds. She did specific meditation tecnhiques (not he-he-he ha-ha-ha) little more advanced :p) and brought her presure down where she didnt need the meds.

4. I woke up one morning fresh to go, in the middle of the day I couldnt walk or see (now Im walking around with a heart monitor for a month). I had end up in the ER room but I would have never known it just by waking up.

Each time I think of it, it is just like death; we dont know. We can continue not to know but once the nurse puts the masks over our face, lights out. Our philosohies mean nothing (literaly, they are attachments). Like trying to eat soup even when you finished it even drunk the rest of the liquid.

Anyway....my thoughts: lights out. It would be nice to have an afterlife belief but then Id be cheating myself from the Truth.
 
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osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Its extremely hard to grasp being gone forever. But at that moment of ceasing to be, i wont know a darn thing about it. Of course there are those 3 or so seconds prior to finality where i might only know that im dying, but before another thought, poof! Its interesting topic. It seems like a pretty fascinating experience.

The religious side of me is even more fascinated by death, with the possibility of detachment from the brain. Perhaps falling into the underlying reality of it all. You know like shedding a coccoon and being born into the real reality from our modest roots in the physical. I always pictured the universe as a containment field, and reality lies outside and just beyond.

The idea that humans are conceptually made led me to the feeling that there is more out there, and our universe only scratches the surface of it.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Like from a physical/mental standpoint. I'm not asking if it's possible, or for scientific evidence or anything like that. I want to know what YOU think about my question. Do you ever ponder death, in general, and wonder if even for a short few seconds, after we die, that somehow, we will be cognizant of it?

For those who believe in the afterlife, what part of ourselves will realize and experience that?

This might be a stupid question, but I have often wondered this.


I personally know someone who has had contact with those who have passed. Sometimes they are confused and do not realize they have died. Eventually they move on to another plane of existence, but sometimes they need help to complete the journey.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Like from a physical/mental standpoint. I'm not asking if it's possible, or for scientific evidence or anything like that. I want to know what YOU think about my question. Do you ever ponder death, in general, and wonder if even for a short few seconds, after we die, that somehow, we will be cognizant of it?

For those who believe in the afterlife, what part of ourselves will realize and experience that?

This might be a stupid question, but I have often wondered this.
Only Jesus taught of not tasting death. If you believe him, then yes. If not, then no.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I personally know someone who has had contact with those who have passed. Sometimes they are confused and do not realize they have died. Eventually they move on to another plane of existence, but sometimes they need help to complete the journey.
Wow! I owe you big smootches on your cheek for even considering that! :hearteyecat:
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Being alive sucks! I live in Da Hood! Everyone is drugged out, unintelligent, and worthless. I don't like suffering, but do I want to die? Without hesitation, YES! NOW!!
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Its extremely hard to grasp being gone forever.

I would put that down to being created to live forever. Once we are here we cannot imagine being out of existence.

Solomon explained at Ecclesiastes 3:11-12...."He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end. 12 I know that there is nothing better for people than to be happy and to do good while they live.(NIV)

Because the Bible does not teach that we have an immortal soul that survives death, Solomon knew that to be happy and to do good during one's life was the important thing....there is no activity in death.

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished. . . .Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom."
(Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10)

But at that moment of ceasing to be, i wont know a darn thing about it. Of course there are those 3 or so seconds prior to finality where i might only know that im dying, but before another thought, poof! Its interesting topic. It seems like a pretty fascinating experience.

A friend of mine had a severe heart attack and went into cardiac arrest. His wife called the paramedics and performed CPR and after some time, he was revived. When asked if he remembers "dying" he shook his head and said...'everything just faded to black and the next thing I remember is the paramedics speaking to me. When I came back I had no memory of anything but was told that I was not conscious and had stopped breathing. I had no idea that I had been clinically dead and brought back to life.'
He likened it to going under anesthetic. No memory of anything that took place while he 'slept'.

The religious side of me is even more fascinated by death, with the possibility of detachment from the brain. Perhaps falling into the underlying reality of it all. You know like shedding a coccoon and being born into the real reality from our modest roots in the physical. I always pictured the universe as a containment field, and reality lies outside and just beyond.

That idea does not come from the Bible. The only form of 'afterlife' spoken about in the Bible is by resurrection. For the majority of humankind, that will be a restoration of this life, but in much better surroundings. Earth was never intended to be a training ground for heaven.

Jesus demonstrated what resurrection was by raising his friend Lazarus, who had been dead for four days.
Jesus called him from his tomb and returned him to his family. Where did Jesus say Lazarus was? He said he was "sleeping". (John 11:11-14)

The idea that humans are conceptually made led me to the feeling that there is more out there, and our universe only scratches the surface of it.

There certainly is more "out there" but it appears as if God made this planet the 'tester'. Giving intelligent material beings free will was always going to be risky, so he had to show them how to drive it. He did this first of all by a simple test. After giving the first humans "every tree of the garden" to serve as food for them, he kept one tree off limits. He told them that this one tree was his property and that if they stole from this tree the penalty would be death. It seems as if humans are not good at obeying just words....they have to be shown in real ways that actions have consequences. We are living in the outcome of those consequences.

If God is going to populate the vast universe that he created, then he had to iron the 'bugs' out in this planet first. What would be the point of creating other worlds if they also experienced the same problems with the abuse of free will that we do? That makes no sense to me.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Like from a physical/mental standpoint. I'm not asking if it's possible, or for scientific evidence or anything like that. I want to know what YOU think about my question. Do you ever ponder death, in general, and wonder if even for a short few seconds, after we die, that somehow, we will be cognizant of it?

For those who believe in the afterlife, what part of ourselves will realize and experience that?

This might be a stupid question, but I have often wondered this.
Hello friend.
Probably we will know it,and we could be see our final destiny during the death,there are many stories of people experience that.


btw
I support the idea of some scholars , when we died,we will wake up instantly in hereafter ,we don't feel time.exactly same as we sleep. it's like "PAUSE" :)
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Like from a physical/mental standpoint. I'm not asking if it's possible, or for scientific evidence or anything like that. I want to know what YOU think about my question. Do you ever ponder death, in general, and wonder if even for a short few seconds, after we die, that somehow, we will be cognizant of it?

For those who believe in the afterlife, what part of ourselves will realize and experience that?

This might be a stupid question, but I have often wondered this.

There is no one who lives and dies; there is only living and dying, without an agent of living and dying. When alive, just live; when dying, just die. Nothing less; nothing more.:cool: No muss; no fuss. That way, each moment is lived to its fullest. There is no 'after'; there is only now.


 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Like from a physical/mental standpoint. I'm not asking if it's possible, or for scientific evidence or anything like that. I want to know what YOU think about my question. Do you ever ponder death, in general, and wonder if even for a short few seconds, after we die, that somehow, we will be cognizant of it?

For those who believe in the afterlife, what part of ourselves will realize and experience that?

This might be a stupid question, but I have often wondered this.
No we won't. Awareness is only when we are alive as an organism.
 

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
Like from a physical/mental standpoint. I'm not asking if it's possible, or for scientific evidence or anything like that. I want to know what YOU think about my question. Do you ever ponder death, in general, and wonder if even for a short few seconds, after we die, that somehow, we will be cognizant of it?

For those who believe in the afterlife, what part of ourselves will realize and experience that?

This might be a stupid question, but I have often wondered this.
I would think the conscious part of ourselves would be one of the first things to shut down at the moment of death, even though I believe some brain functions and activity take place for a short while after. I guess we'd have to look and see if there are any studies that have been done to see how long some part of the brain stay active or viable after a person is considered deceased.

My grandfather died under some pretty unfortunate circumstances, and I had to move his body to the floor in an effort to perform CPR on him until paramedics arrived, but I knew before I even started that he was totally gone. Once they got there and hooked him up, they said his body had no electrical activity whatsoever. So I would imagine that whatever small window of time exists for brain activity to take place, it would be very short lived.
 
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