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[Pudding]

This is one of the most deluded things I have ever read and it certainly seems to show a sad lack of awareness concerning the current state of the world. I would comment further, but it would continue to lead off topic. I may start another thread on this subject, just don't have time right now.

This is one of the most deluded things I have ever read and it certainly seems to show a sad lack of awareness concerning the current state of the world. I would comment further, but it would continue to lead off topic. I may start another thread on this subject, just don't have time right now.

 

[sayak83]

That would be the temporary Bible's hell or grave mentioned at Revelation 20:13-14 ?
Jesus has the power to later resurrect people out of biblical hell during his coming millennial reign over earth - Revelation 1:18
That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....

Revelation 20:13 mentions the sea gives up its dead ( people who drowned or buried at sea will be resurrected)
Then, it says both death and hell ' delivered up ' the dead which were in them. ' delivered up ' (KJV wording ) as meaning resurrected out of biblical hell.

Revelation 20:14 goes on to say that both death and hell were then cast into the lake of fire. The definition of the lake of fire is ' second death '. - see also Revelation 21:8 B
So, after everyone in biblical hell ( grave) are delivered up ( resurrected out of hell ) then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell.

This means that during Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over earth there will be people resurrected back to healthy physical life on earth during Jesus' millennium-long judgement day, and those who choose to act righteously 'after' they are resurrected can gain everlasting life on a beautiful paradisical earth.

That's one possible interpretation. The OP was a rhetorical question, to which I provided a rhetorical reply. Do not over-analyze it. The Christian view of hell is hardly settled, and I tell Christians that, within their worldview, I wish to go wherever it is that they think Gandhi, Einstein, Buddha, Dalai Lama are going.

 

[Tumah]

It is true that when one places their faith in Jesus Christ and has a relationship with Him they are considered to be a part of a religion called Christianity. There are many groups and people who practice the religion of Christianity. The religious umbrella called Christianity seems to include a huge variation of practices which are called "Christian". Yet, under this umbrella there are those who have a living relationship with Jesus and those who don't, but are simply practicing the religion of "Christianity". I think there is an important distinction between relationship and religion.
I don't know if you are married, have children, close relatives, or friends, but I'm sure your interaction with them is relational, not religious. In the scriptures it is shown that God walked with Adam in the cool of the day, Abraham was a friend of God, and David was a man after God's own heart. There are other examples. Jesus constantly demonstrated this relational love/friendship with His Father and those who loved Him on earth. From my understanding of the scriptures sin has broken this friendship/relationship between God and humanity. For me, Jesus is the Personal Redeemer and Savior who brings reconciliation and connection to God through restored relationship, not simply the practice of religion.

You could have just said, "Yes Tumah, I am trying to find other means to convince readers here to follow my religion."
"OK InChrist, just clarifying."

 

[Aquitaine]

This is one of the most

This is one of the most deluded things I have ever read and it certainly seems to show a sad lack of awareness concerning the current state of the world. I would comment further, but it would continue to lead off topic. I may start another thread on this subject, just don't have time right now.

So having considerably less people killed by war, no more World Wars, no more Communism, greater life expectancy and no more threat of nuclear war annihilating the planet is considered a bad thing in your view?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That is all depends on personal interpretations or experience.
Which part of Bible should be read as literal? Which part as metaphor/allegory? Who decide that for all human?
Many religion say that only theirs is the correct one.
Yes, the concept is that if you accept jesus's salvation you can go to heaven. Accept salvation also means you're willing to abide by God's moral/law.
Different religion could have different moral/law which they interpret and they believe they're correct.
Oh, other believer don't follow my religion?
They accept jesus's salvation but their interpretation of God's clear and perfect moral/law is different than my interpretation/version?
They'll go to hell. They deserve it.
Only true believer who follow my true religion/God and the true moral/law deserve of heaven.
Exclusive religions...

What is the heaven/hell concept as recorded in Scripture ?
Jesus used logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures as the basis for his teachings.
What did Jesus teach about 'earth' at Matthew 5:5 - in his reference to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29
Sure some go to heaven - Luke 22:28-30, but most are Not part of a heavenly class or a heavenly resurrection but earthly.
Even King David did Not ascend to heaven - Acts of the Apostles 2:34 - Nor John the Baptist - Matthew 11:11
So, their salvation ( rescue /deliverance ) is via having a future earthly resurrection under Christ's millennium-long day of governing over earth.
All the faithful of Hebrews chapter 11 have Not seen the fulfillment of God's promise - Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39
God's promise to father Abraham was Not heaven but 'earth' - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Jesus will fulfill God's promise that all nations of 'earth' will be blessed. Blessed with the healing of earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2

We all go to the Bible's hell at death. We can say 'all ' because even righteous Jesus went to hell the day he died - Acts of the Apostles 2:27
Biblical hell is simply mankind's stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead until resurrected to either heaven for some - Revelation 20:6
or, for the majority of mankind resurrected out of biblical hell ( grave ) to healthy physical life on earth under Christ's 1,000-year reign over earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Roughly 75 years ago, humanity embarked on the most violent war the world has ever seen. An estimated 50-70 million people lost their lives, the battle of Stalingrad claimed over 1 million lives on the Soviet side alone. Millions of Jews an other "undesirables" were systematically murdered on a national level.
Immediately after the war's end, the Cold War began, which at its peak held the world hostage to a potential nuclear war that would surely destroy civilization as it is currently known. That chapter of history is over now, too.
The world is slowly but surely getting better.

Nuclear power is now what North Korea would like to have.

Besides what I mentioned, in this area drug crime is escalating. People are breaking into vehicles in order to get a hold of garage-door openers in order to break into homes.

75 years ago still fits into the category of Revelation 1:10 that we are in the Lord's Day.
Even when ' they ' (powers that be) will be saying," Peace and Security " that is a ' final signal ' so to speak, which is the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14

 

[Aquitaine]

Nuclear power is now what North Korea would like to have.

Besides what I mentioned, in this area drug crime is escalating. People are breaking into vehicles in order to get a hold of garage-door openers in order to break into homes.

75 years ago still fits into the category of Revelation 1:10 that we are in the Lord's Day.
Even when ' they ' (powers that be) will be saying," Peace and Security " that is a ' final signal ' so to speak, which is the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14

And if North Korea developed nuclear weapons they would become even more internationally maligned and would be stopped.

What you're mentioning is the rise of crime in a specific region, not a global meltdown in to corruption and chaos.

 

[Pudding]

What is the heaven/hell concept as recorded in Scripture ?
Jesus used logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures as the basis for his teachings.
What did Jesus teach about 'earth' at Matthew 5:5 - in his reference to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29
Sure some go to heaven - Luke 22:28-30, but most are Not part of a heavenly class or a heavenly resurrection but earthly.
Even King David did Not ascend to heaven - Acts of the Apostles 2:34 - Nor John the Baptist - Matthew 11:11
So, their salvation ( rescue /deliverance ) is via having a future earthly resurrection under Christ's millennium-long day of governing over earth.
All the faithful of Hebrews chapter 11 have Not seen the fulfillment of God's promise - Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39
God's promise to father Abraham was Not heaven but 'earth' - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Jesus will fulfill God's promise that all nations of 'earth' will be blessed. Blessed with the healing of earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2

We all go to the Bible's hell at death. We can say 'all ' because even righteous Jesus went to hell the day he died - Acts of the Apostles 2:27
Biblical hell is simply mankind's stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead until resurrected to either heaven for some - Revelation 20:6
or, for the majority of mankind resurrected out of biblical hell ( grave ) to healthy physical life on earth under Christ's 1,000-year reign over earth.

That's your interpretation of your beliefs, scripture written by annonymous ancient people. Quoting scripture and sharing unsubstantiated beliefs proves nothing and is not effectively convincing in convince anyone to believe you're right.
That is just preaching your unsubstantiated beliefs and nothing more...

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That's your interpretation of your beliefs, scripture written by annonymous ancient people. Quoting scripture and sharing unsubstantiated beliefs proves nothing and is not effectively convincing in convince anyone to believe you're right.
That is just preaching your unsubstantiated beliefs and nothing more...

Anonymous ? How many books of the Bible can you name which has the penmen's name?
What is also anonymous when the person's name is revealed ?

I am Not necessarily trying to convince, but merely posting what the Bible really teaches.
One historian calculated that out of all the people Jesus talked with that only 1% became a follower of his.
Jesus' recorded words in Matthew chapter 7 states MANY would ' come in his name ' but prove false.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And if North Korea developed nuclear weapons they would become even more internationally maligned and would be stopped.
What you're mentioning is the rise of crime in a specific region, not a global meltdown into corruption and chaos.

The earth was full of violence in Noah's day - Genesis 6:11- there was No meltdown then, and there will be No global meltdown today. Not even global nuclear reactor meltdowns.
We are in the ' last days of badness on earth ' as described by the words of 2 Timothy 3:1-3; 2 Timothy 3:4-5; 2 Timothy 3:13
Why do people have locks on their windows and doors ? _______________Surely that is in more than in a specific region. Why do cars come equipped with keys to lock doors ?
What world power has established lasting peace for their country or on earth ?

 

[Aquitaine]

The earth was full of violence in Noah's day - Genesis 6:11- there was No meltdown then, and there will be No global meltdown today. Not even global nuclear reactor meltdowns.
We are in the ' last days of badness on earth ' as described by the words of 2 Timothy 3:1-3; 2 Timothy 3:4-5; 2 Timothy 3:13
Why do people have locks on their windows and doors ? _______________Surely that is in more than in a specific region. Why do cars come equipped with keys to lock doors ?
What world power has established lasting peace for their country or on earth ?

Before we had locks on our doors, we slept with melee weapons under our beds, some people still do. The overall concept has been arounds for ages. As for peaceful world powers, I cannot think of any - I tend to view "world power" and "peaceful" as mutually exclusive.

 

[Pudding]

Anonymous ? How many books of the Bible can you name which has the penmen's name?
What is also anonymous when the person's name is revealed ?

Okay, maybe i have worded it wrong, anonymous seems doesn't fit here.

I am Not necessarily trying to convince, but merely posting what the Bible really teaches.
One historian calculated that out of all the people Jesus talked with that only 1% became a follower of his.
Jesus' recorded words in Matthew chapter 7 states MANY would ' come in his name ' but prove false.

That's more preaching to come...

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Okay, maybe i have worded it wrong, anonymous seems doesn't fit here.
That's more preaching to come...

'preaching' is that what you might call Luke 4:43; Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8 ?_______
Besides ' preaching ' wasn't Jesus known as a great ' teacher ' ?_______
So, spreading the good news of God's kingdom government on an international scale today is trying to teach people about the wonderful future in store for mankind - Revelation 22:2
Jesus advocated teaching at Matthew 28:18-20 until we see the time of the end of all badness on earth when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Before we had locks on our doors, we slept with melee weapons under our beds, some people still do. The overall concept has been arounds for ages. As for peaceful world powers, I cannot think of any - I tend to view "world power" and "peaceful" as mutually exclusive.

Yes, world powers, or the powers that be, seem to have wars with No plans to win.
The economy faces the Biggest deficit in history
Great companies seem to be slaughtered by rising health-care costs
I was told there are children in schools who No longer read.
Middle class are being squeezed more and more each day.
Whenever in history has mankind needed such major homeland security at airports, etc.
I'm Not trying to sound like the voice of doom-and-gloom. Mankind has already set the doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock at striking the dark midnight hour.
Because we are seeing the fulfillment of 2 Timothy 3:1-3; 2 Timothy 3:4-5; 2 Timothy 3:13 shows we are in the last days of badness on earth before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill. Matthew 25:31-33 is about the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth when as Psalm 92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed forever. Then, mankind will see healing for ALL of earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2

 

[Aquitaine]

Yes, world powers, or the powers that be, seem to have wars with No plans to win.
The economy faces the Biggest deficit in history
Great companies seem to be slaughtered by rising health-care costs
I was told there are children in schools who No longer read.
Middle class are being squeezed more and more each day.
Whenever in history has mankind needed such major homeland security at airports, etc.
I'm Not trying to sound like the voice of doom-and-gloom. Mankind has already set the doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock at striking the dark midnight hour.
Because we are seeing the fulfillment of 2 Timothy 3:1-3; 2 Timothy 3:4-5; 2 Timothy 3:13 shows we are in the last days of badness on earth before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill. Matthew 25:31-33 is about the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth when as Psalm 92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed forever. Then, mankind will see healing for ALL of earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2

You raise valid points about the middle class dying out, but that is more down to Trickle Down Economics and globalization.

To be honest, I think the main reason why I cannot agree with you is because it appears you are creating a pessimistic narrative of the world using scripture, so you outlook on the world is synchronized with your religious beliefs. It can be very difficult to separate the two. Ergo if you're a biblical Christian who has tied scripture with world events, then you're going to have such an outlook especially when backing it up with "end times" scripture, and as such I don't really think there's anything I can say to change your perspective.

 

[Pudding]

'preaching' is that what you might call Luke 4:43; Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8 ?_______
Besides ' preaching ' wasn't Jesus known as a great ' teacher ' ?_______
So, spreading the good news of God's kingdom government on an international scale today is trying to teach people about the wonderful future in store for mankind - Revelation 22:2
Jesus advocated teaching at Matthew 28:18-20 until we see the time of the end of all badness on earth when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.

I'm out of here, the preaching is continue to go on, too many preaching.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You raise valid points about the middle class dying out, but that is more down to Trickle Down Economics and globalization.
To be honest, I think the main reason why I cannot agree with you is because it appears you are creating a pessimistic narrative of the world using scripture, so you outlook on the world is synchronized with your religious beliefs. It can be very difficult to separate the two. Ergo if you're a biblical Christian who has tied scripture with world events, then you're going to have such an outlook especially when backing it up with "end times" scripture, and as such I don't really think there's anything I can say to change your perspective.

Isn't it true, that regardless of the cause we do have trickle-down economics, etc. ?
What does ' end times ' in Scripture mean to you ?
I have found a number of people take that to mean the end times for planet earth.
That is Not scriptural because the Bible says: the earth abides forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Jeremiah 10:11-12; 1 Chronicles 16:30; Psalms 96:10
It is Not Scripture, but rather man who has the pessimistic doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock with its hands set to the dark midnight hour.
Whereas in Scripture the so-called ' end times' is referring to the end times of all badness on earth.
Jesus, as Prince of Peace, is going to usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
So, biblical end times, so to speak, is the end of wickedness on earth - Psalms 92:7
End of badness on earth, and the good beginning when ALL of earth's nations will be healed - Revelation 22:2

 

[Aquitaine]

Isn't it true, that regardless of the cause we do have trickle-down economics, etc. ?
What does ' end times ' in Scripture mean to you ?
I have found a number of people take that to mean the end times for planet earth.
That is Not scriptural because the Bible says: the earth abides forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Jeremiah 10:11-12; 1 Chronicles 16:30; Psalms 96:10
It is Not Scripture, but rather man who has the pessimistic doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock with its hands set to the dark midnight hour.
Whereas in Scripture the so-called ' end times' is referring to the end times of all badness on earth.
Jesus, as Prince of Peace, is going to usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
So, biblical end times, so to speak, is the end of wickedness on earth - Psalms 92:7
End of badness on earth, and the good beginning when ALL of earth's nations will be healed - Revelation 22:2

There's nothing I can do to seperate you from your beliefs, and that's fine. All I can say though, is that until you die you have no idea whether or not your scripture is genuine, or if it is merely the product of human imagination.

 

[Desert Snake]

There are quite a few different versions of heavens/hells saying people will be going to with different conditions/requirements according to quite a few religion/denomination/sect/individual-beliefs.

...

I don't believe in any of them, so i'm not planning to go to any of their heavens/hells.
This many versions of heaven+hell religions is making the world unpeaceful.

Vague generalization.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There's nothing I can do to separate you from your beliefs, and that's fine. All I can say though, is that until you die you have no idea whether or not your scripture is genuine, or if it is merely the product of human imagination.

The Bible is full of real named people, real named places.
There is a lot of religious-myth teachings about the Bible being taught as Scripture, but that does Not make the Bible as wrong but makes the wrong teachings as wrong.
How could a book of human imagination written over 1,500 years have the internal harmony among its many writers as the Bible has.
The Bible has many enemies from within besides without. No one, No ban, has been able to get rid of the Bible nor Bible people who are throughout the earth.
Just as it is written 'the good news of God's kingdom' has reached the vast international scale as recorded at Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8
The Bible's internal harmony is shown when the Bible is studied by topic or subject arrangement taking one subject or topic at a time to see what the various writers had to say.
The Bible has many corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages unlike any other book.

Sure, if you can show me where the Bible is wrong then you will separate me from my beliefs.
Isn't there harmony between John 11:11-14; Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Job 14:13-15; Ecclesiastes 9:5