Where do discussion on virtues take place here?

[Samana Johann]

Coming here across, taking on/an account, looking a little around, my person thought of where, in a multiculti forum may general discussions on virtues, such as generosity, moral, renouncing, concentration... take place. Looking a little over the forum struction, it has been not seen yet, fundamental matters, at least not yet.

Are there such areas on basics? And if, when, why.. can, should, would be not found, not quickly seen.

 

[Quintessence]

Virtue ethics is often a bit foreign to many, but the best spot is probably still here: Ethics and Morals

Topics that have a particularly religious angle could fit in this subforum though. The main thing you'll want to watch is debate areas versus non-debate areas. If you want to discuss rather than debate, Interfaith Discussion and its subforums are the space.

 

[Samana Johann]

Appreciation for the geographical advices and quick "Zuvorkommenheit" and care.

Not only because finding moral&ethics in the kitchen, it's probably not of a bad to encourage to view this topic inwardly and outwardly and maybe dig deeper into a possible serious re-ligious issue. At least it was not thought to leave it just territorial, but "is often a bit foreign to many" might be an additional reason to releave to topics grounds.

 

[MonkeyFire]

In my religion morality is a fallen angel of light, and hate is the devil...

 

[LuisDantas]

Zuvorkommenheit means "courtesy", apparently.

I am finding a bit of a language barrier, but since you adhere to Dhamma Vinaya and from the general gist of your posts I would second @Quintessence 's recommendation of this area.

Ethics and Morals


Oh, and Welcome to RF, @Samana Johann !

 

[Brickjectivity]

Are there such areas on basics? And if, when, why.. can, should, would be not found, not quickly seen.

Avoid areas marked 'Debate'. They have special rules. Debate sections allow correcting other's points of view and defending your view. Other areas are for discussion, not for arguing.

Discussion of virtue in the Ethics and Morals section will limit the conversation to opinions. In that section you may produce philosophical logic, but you won't be permitted to criticize opinions of other people.

If you wish to argue, then you should probably limit the kind of argument. For that I recommend One On One debate area or Same Faith Debates. I would not recommend General Debate nor the Religious Debate section. To get replies from many people I suggest you use only the non-debate areas.

 

[dfnj]

Coming here across, taking on/an account, looking a little around, my person thought of where, in a multiculti forum may general discussions on virtues, such as generosity, moral, renouncing, concentration... take place. Looking a little over the forum struction, it has been not seen yet, fundamental matters, at least not yet.

Are there such areas on basics? And if, when, why.. can, should, would be not found, not quickly seen.

We have no virtues.

 

[Samana Johann]

Zuvorkommenheit means "courtesy", apparently.

This kind of virtue actually has no english word proper to it's meaning, Mr. LuisDantas. My my person not trouble to much with "Zuvorkommenheit", some times not being pleasant because another might fall in certain/subtile debt, which is of cause nothing that is much desired.

Zuvorkommenheit means to give in advanced without expecting something back (also not as reward as well) and requires good observation of requirements, lacks and needs. pubbakaraṇa or pubbakārī in Pali, maybe "doing forehand" might give a notion.

It would fall under the rubric of generosity, material and verbal as well (to let the more subtil factor, mind, rest here so far).

Kitchen really does not feel well at all. That's more the "nachtragende" area.

 

[Nakosis]

We have no virtues.

Ok, sure. Not sure why but it made me laugh.

Maybe we have no virtues, I suppose, I don't understand the why not, but maybe it's a reasonable POV.

 

[Nakosis]

This kind of virtue actually has no english word proper to it's meaning, Mr. LuisDantas. My my person not trouble to much with "Zuvorkommenheit", some times not being pleasant because another might fall in certain/subtile debt, which is of cause nothing that is much desired.

Zuvorkommenheit means to give in advanced without expecting something back (also not as reward as well) and requires good observation of requirements, lacks and needs. pubbakaraṇa or pubbakārī in Pali, maybe "doing forehand" might give a notion.

It would fall under the rubric of generosity, material and verbal as well (to let the more subtil factor, mind, rest here so far).

Kitchen really does not feel well at all. That's more the "nachtragende" area.

I've been trying to argue this against the "golden rule" common in many beliefs. I think it being a better position to act from myself. I like to encourage a sense of well being in the people I interact with. Can't say there is much logic in this beyond that it makes me happy. I don't expect happiness in return, it's just how it works for me.

 

[Samana Johann]

Ethics and Morals section will limit the conversation

Appreciation for the geographical advices with certain hints on practical issues, Mr/Mrs Brickjectivity.

"Ethics and Morals section will limit the conversation", that's a true observation, taken generally. One who does not find something within one self, gets fast annoyed and even angry. That's why asking about this general fundamental things, equal in all religions, where to be found. Kitchen is known to have less virtures and also knives and plenty of hungry around.

 

[Samana Johann]

I've been trying to argue this against the "golden rule" common in many beliefs. I think it being a better position to act from myself. I like to encourage a sense of well being in the people I interact with. Can't say there is much logic in this beyond that it makes me happy. I don't expect happiness in return, it's just how it works for me.

Once done by heart, Mr. Nakosis, it's simple that giving makes lighter, releases and if taking "Zuvorkommenheit" in measures of service, help, in certain relations, falling under moral-virtue already, it gives freedom from remorse on higher grade. A subtile debt-issue as told, and done work is what make free. Natural law.

mudita (for possession of certain treasure)

 

[LuisDantas]

This kind of virtue actually has no english word proper to it's meaning, Mr. LuisDantas. My my person not trouble to much with "Zuvorkommenheit", some times not being pleasant because another might fall in certain/subtile debt, which is of cause nothing that is much desired.

Zuvorkommenheit means to give in advanced without expecting something back (also not as reward as well) and requires good observation of requirements, lacks and needs. pubbakaraṇa or pubbakārī in Pali, maybe "doing forehand" might give a notion.

Oh, I think I get the general sense. It may be preparing the path so that others may have a pleasant, properly receptive experience. A specific, preventive form of acceptance, or even loving kindness.

In a nutshell, "paying it forward" might not be too distant in meaning.

Thanks. I was not aware of that specific word.

It would fall under the rubric of generosity, material and verbal as well (to let the more subtil factor, mind, rest here so far).

Indeed. I hope that we find it in us to extend enough of that attitude towards you... or for that matter, toward ourselves and each other, now and ever.

Kitchen really does not feel well at all. That's more the "nachtragende" area.

Agreed. "Kitchen", despite the associations with the much beloved Sikh concept of Langar, is probably not a good word to use here.

 

[Samana Johann]

Oh, I think I get the general sense. It may be preparing the path so that others may have a pleasant, properly receptive experience. A specific, preventive form of acceptance, or even loving kindness.

Yes, the first parth: act-ually like a good servant acts for his king, or a secriterian for her chef, or a mother toward an infant, but without expecting something (in this world, even from this person) in return or doing it out of fear or as repayment, Mr Luis.

"Zuvorkommen" may also be "negatively" if used to win, meaning also "be faster", but here (for a good) not faster to win over others but primary against ones own defilements, hindrances, yes greed and aversion as well as confussion, doubt in regard of virtues.

Indeed. I hope that we find it in us to extend enough of that attitude towards you... or for that matter, toward ourselves and each other, now and ever.

Sadhu

 

[Brickjectivity]

...One who does not find something within one self, gets fast annoyed and even angry. That's why asking about this general fundamental things, equal in all religions, where to be found...

Now I understand better. That sounds a little like tzimtzum. It also sounds a little bit like a topic related to Logos or maybe one of the gnostic ideas about the spark. Subjectivity is a related topic, too. You can't easily objectively understand what people say and have to empathize or have similar thoughts and experiences.

 

[Samana Johann]

You can't easily objectively understand what people say and have to empathize or have similar thoughts and experiences.

Sure, Mr/mrs Brickjectivity, it needs a long time to know another, and just for those observant, attentive, yet "i understand better" is somehow in conflict with the rest.
But if going to the very basics of things, it's easier to get a good overview, it's easier to know whether efforts may be waste of time, not wished or even somehow harmful for others, actually not really up to encouraging to good and better.
And yes, one knowing ones own mind well can understand that of others, even "read" it. Can be Zuvorkommend rather then reactive even on a mental lablelable.
It's good to be very subjective to be able to serve a certain object(ivity) not confused.

 

[Willamena]

Coming here across, taking on/an account, looking a little around, my person thought of where, in a multiculti forum may general discussions on virtues, such as generosity, moral, renouncing, concentration... take place. Looking a little over the forum struction, it has been not seen yet, fundamental matters, at least not yet.

Are there such areas on basics? And if, when, why.. can, should, would be not found, not quickly seen.

Philosophy forum.

(PS: I have no idea why Ethics and Morals is under Kitchen Sink instead of Philosophy.)

 

[Jim]

Coming here across, taking on/an account, looking a little around, my person thought of where, in a multiculti forum may general discussions on virtues, such as generosity, moral, renouncing, concentration... take place. Looking a little over the forum struction, it has been not seen yet, fundamental matters, at least not yet.

Are there such areas on basics? And if, when, why.. can, should, would be not found, not quickly seen.

That might depend on your purpose in wanting to talk about virtues. Do you have any other purpose in mind besides socializing and passing the time away?

 

[Samana Johann]

Philosophy forum.

Not sure, Mrs/Ms Willamena, if basics of re-ligions are proper placed in a philosophy section. Yet of cause surely better as to tread it as a kitchen-matter, the lowest part of nourishment, raw food.

What about, since it seems to have no real ground generally at you place, if thinking about a "Generosity (first)" forum, and another "(Universal) moral and ethis"?

It to appreciate that so many "colored" members get/have interest in this topic. mudita

 

[Samana Johann]

That might depend on your purpose in wanting to talk about virtues. Do you have any other purpose in mind besides socializing and passing the time away?

Very good aspect, Mr Jim. It's by similar tendency, interest that being gather together, again and again. It's good to socialize with those of virtuesvirtues and to encourage to such. Yet, certain people do neither object socialication nor entertaining for no sake.

Generosity and moral virtue actually have heaven, more sublime and even liberation as it's destiny, and so it might be a purpose, possible the fundamental purpose of (re)ligion.

A certain purpose is surely often to belittle others and a reason of not tending to such topics, fear of being belittled, yes. But the matter that things can be misused is not a proper reason to do not use them for good and better.

Generosity and virtue are surely "party-cheater" if it is all about sozializing, gain and entertainment and therefore hardly ever found especially, and ironical, on religious places.

(my person leaves here for a while, to make his daily round. )

May you all here go on, who ever feel to have found a place to healthy nourish in and provide to.