Where Do You Put Your Faith?

[Trailblazer]

Right, they don't have faith. They just believe. Faith is not just believing.
Notice you also made that distinction - Quote Some believers have both faith and evidence... Unquote

Faith is believing in what can never be proven. Evidence is not proof.

 

[nPeace]

Faith is believing in what can never be proven. Evidence is not proof.

No. That would mean everyone has faith, from the greatest scientist, to the lowliest pauper. You aren't defining faith.
Edit : I should say, Christian faith.

 

[Trailblazer]

No. That would mean everyone has faith, from the greatest scientist, to the lowliest pauper. You aren't defining faith.
Edit : I should say, Christian faith.

How do you define faith and who do you think has faith?

 

[InChrist]

Everyone wants to live and enjoy life right? Who doesn't enjoy eating an apple, or mango, or grape, or....? The things on this earth that can satisfy man, are almost endless, and the beauty about is is that we never tire of those things - They always seem fresh, and the experience always seem different.

Yet, the reality is, we age, and the body loses its vigor, the taste buds, lose their sensitivity... but the brain still seem to desire these things. Then death end it all.

Scientists are promising to fix that - resurrect the dead - end the aging process - end death.
The Bible says God, the creator, promises the same.

Where do you put your faith, your trust, your confidence, your hope...
In the "big magic man in the sky", or the "puny dreamers on this earth"?

Why?

I have my faith and hope in Jesus Christ for each day and the future.

 

[Trailblazer]

I have my faith and hope in Jesus Christ for each day and the future.

I have my faith and hope in God for each day and the future.

 

[nPeace]

Faith is believing in what can never be proven. Evidence is not proof.

I thought you believed God would provide proof. Have you changed your view?

 

[nPeace]

How do you define faith and who do you think has faith?

Hebrews 11:1 defines faith, and Galatians 5:19-23 tells us who has faith.

 

[Trailblazer]

I thought you believed God would provide proof. Have you changed your view?

It was never my view that God would provide proof of His existence.

 

[The Hammer]

Scientists don't make such "promises". However, science does produce more and better results than religion does. If you're sick, whose treatment would you consider to be more reliable; a doctor and his medicine or a priest and his prayers?

Both thank you.

 

[Trailblazer]

Hebrews 11:1 defines faith, and Galatians 5:19-23 tells us who has faith.

I see how Hebrews 11:1 defines faith, but I don't see how Galatians 5:19-23 tells us who has faith.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[nPeace]

It was never my view that God would provide proof of His existence.

I'll link to that in a bit.

 

[nPeace]

I see how Hebrews 11:1 defines faith, but I don't see how Galatians 5:19-23 tells us who has faith.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Those who have God's spirit, of which an aspect of its fruitage is faith.

 

[nPeace]

It was never my view that God would provide proof of His existence.

You might want to review your post on this page. Or, more directly, this one.

 

[Kfox]

I don't think it possible to separate evidence from faith. If you do, it's not faith, since faith requires evidence.
I think you may be confusing blind belief with faith. You would not be the first to make that mistake.

If you have evidence, if you can prove it, that’s not faith, that's proof. Faith is defined as the study of things hoped for; evidence of things unseen. By definition; unseen means blind. By definition; faith is blind. If you can see it, it's proof; not faith.

 

[nPeace]

If you have evidence, if you can prove it, that’s not faith, that's proof. Faith is defined as the study of things hoped for; evidence of things unseen. By definition; unseen means blind. By definition; faith is blind. If you can see it, it's proof; not faith.

Is evidence proof?
Can you have evidence for something you can't see?
Are you blind to the fact that there was a meteor impact x years ago, because you never saw it?

 

[Kfox]

Is evidence proof?

I didn't say it was, I was saying evidence is not faith

Can you have evidence for something you can't see?

Yes. But that does not mean evidence is faith.

Are you blind to the fact that there was a meteor impact x years ago, because you never saw it?

Everything unseen is not faith.

 

[Little Dragon]

I have faith in my instincts and intuition first and foremost. I also have faith in the scientific method and all means by which objective inquiry is applied.

 

[Trailblazer]

If you have evidence, if you can prove it, that’s not faith, that's proof.

If you can prove it, that’s not faith, that's proof.
However, evidence is not proof. Even in a court of law, evidence is not proof. Beyond a reasonable doubt is not proof.

Faith is defined as the study of things hoped for; evidence of things unseen. By definition; unseen means blind. By definition; faith is blind. If you can see it, it's proof; not faith.

Defined by whom?

faith: complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

faith means - Google Search

www.google.com

That does not mean that one what has trust and confidence in is unseen. It might be unseen or not.
Jesus was seen, Baha'u'llah was seen. All the Messengers of God were seen.

Faith might be blind or not. If there is evidence for what we put our faith in then our faith is not blind.
There is evidence that the Messengers were sent by God, but there is no proof.
Since God can never be proven to exist, how could we ever prove that God sent Messengers?

 

[nPeace]

I didn't say it was, I was saying evidence is not faith

I thought you did.

If you have evidence, if you can prove it, that’s not faith, that's proof.

Maybe I misread.

Yes. But that does not mean evidence is faith.

You are correct there. I didn't say evidence is faith.

Everything unseen is not faith.

Correct.
You probably didn't understand what you read. It didn't say that.

 

[nPeace]

If you have evidence, if you can prove it, that’s not faith, that's proof. Faith is defined as the study of things hoped for; evidence of things unseen. By definition; unseen means blind. By definition; faith is blind. If you can see it, it's proof; not faith.

Taking another look at your post.
Your last sentence is basically saying if something hoped for, is seen, faith is not required or needed.
I agree.

I think the way you worded it, though, has confused a few of us.