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Where Is The Love?

cardero

Citizen Mod


In the Bible, John 13:34 Jesus Christ tells us:

“I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one

another; just as I have loved YOU...”

First I would like to know where this commandment was when the Hebrew scriptures were being penned. Could Moses have fit this important 11th Commandment on the tablet or would he have to start a new rock? Also, if we are to take Christ’s idea of love seriously from his ministry on earth, feeding the multitudes, curing the blind and sick, raising the dead we find that these are exemplary acts of love that are worthy to be imitated. So my question is, where are my powers? I know that they are obtainable because the apostles had them. I know there are other ways to share and display love but I just feel a bit imperfect without these advantages.
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
It is a new commandment. Christ came and gave a higher law than the Law of Moses.

What do you mean by the question, "Where are my powers?"
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
jonny said:
It is a new commandment. Christ came and gave a higher law than the Law of Moses.

What do you mean by the question, "Where are my powers?"
I think he's asking for the gifts of the holy spirit.

Cardero : They're given by God mate. Try asking nicely :)
 

spacemonkey

Pneumatic Spiritualist
cardero said:
In the Bible, John 13:34 Jesus Christ tells us:

“I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one

another; just as I have loved YOU...”

First I would like to know where this commandment was when the Hebrew scriptures were being penned. Could Moses have fit this important 11th Commandment on the tablet or would he have to start a new rock? QUOTE]

Ah, more proof of the Gnostic belief that the God of the OT and the one preached about by Jesus are not one in the same.
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
spacemonkey said:
cardero said:
In the Bible, John 13:34 Jesus Christ tells us:

“I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one

another; just as I have loved YOU...”

First I would like to know where this commandment was when the Hebrew scriptures were being penned. Could Moses have fit this important 11th Commandment on the tablet or would he have to start a new rock? QUOTE]

Ah, more proof of the Gnostic belief that the God of the OT and the one preached about by Jesus are not one in the same.
Yeah, I've really never had much time for Yahweh. He was far to exclusive and cruel.
 

spacemonkey

Pneumatic Spiritualist
You see how Jesus says, "I give you a NEW Commandment..." not an additional commandment. On the lighter side, I wonder if George Carlin is familier with this passage? In one of his famous rants during one of his shows, Carlin was able to distill the Ten Commandments down to two. I think he'd be upset to know Jesus had it down to one, but I think he would agree with it.
 
SnaleSpace said:
I think he's asking for the gifts of the holy spirit.

Cardero : They're given by God mate. Try asking nicely :)

I think the powers you speak of were ploys to convert. Jesus probably never performed such miracles, but in an age without reason its easy for fables to spread and be believed. Or were probably later additions to the bible. But keep trying as ill keep trying to control the wind with my mind. :p
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Trying to square OT morality with Christ's teachings always leaves me scratching my head. How can the two be reconciled? I'm surprised The Holy Bible doesn't spontaneously split down the spine into two opposing tomes.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
What a radical departure it was for that time: Love others as Jesus loved us! WOW!!! Let's get ready to sacrifice!
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Seyorni said:
Trying to square OT morality with Christ's teachings always leaves me scratching my head. How can the two be reconciled? I'm surprised The Holy Bible doesn't spontaneously split down the spine into two opposing tomes.
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[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Confucianism: [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you" Analects 15:23[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Tse-kung asked, 'Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?' Confucius replied, 'It is the word 'shu' -- reciprocity. Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.'" Doctrine of the Mean 13.3[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence." Mencius VII.A.4[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Ancient Egyptian:[/font] [font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do." The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant, 109 - 110 Translated by R.B. Parkinson. The original dates to 1970 to 1640 BCE and may be the earliest version ever written. 3[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Hinduism: [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself." Mencius Vii.A.4 [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"This is the sum of the Dharma [duty]: do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you." Mahabharata 5:1517[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths." 5[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Jainism: [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Therefore, neither does he [a sage] cause violence to others nor does he make others do so." Acarangasutra 5.101-2. [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self." Lord Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated. "Sutrakritanga 1.11.33[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Judaism: [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"...thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.", Leviticus 19:18 [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. This is the law: all the rest is commentary." Talmud, Shabbat 31a.[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"And what you hate, do not do to any one." Tobit 4:15 6[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Native American Spirituality: [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Respect for all life is the foundation." The Great Law of Peace.[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really One." Black Elk[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Roman Pagan Religion: "The law imprinted on the hearts of all men is to love the members of society as themselves."[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Shinto: "The heart of the person before you is a mirror. See there your own form"[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Sikhism: [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Compassion-mercy and religion are the support of the entire world". Japji Sahib [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Don't create enmity with anyone as God is within everyone." Guru Arjan Devji 259[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"No one is my enemy, none a stranger and everyone is my friend." Guru Arjan Dev : AG 1299[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Sufism: "The basis of Sufism is consideration of the hearts and feelings of others. If you haven't the will to gladden someone's heart, then at least beware lest you hurt someone's heart, for on our path, no sin exists but this." Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, Master of the Nimatullahi Sufi Order.[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Taoism: [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien. [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." Tao Teh Ching, Chapter 49 [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Unitarian: "We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent of all existence of which we are a part." Unitarian principles. [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Wicca: "An it harm no one, do what thou wilt" (i.e. do what ever you will, as long as it harms nobody, including yourself). One's will is to be carefully thought out in advance of action. This is called the Wiccan Rede[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Yoruba: (Nigeria): "One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts."[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Zoroastrianism: [/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself". Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5[/font][font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29[/font]


Reconciliation is rarely too many steps away.

Regards,
Scott
 
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