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Then it was our sins that crucified him and not "the Jews". I crucified him with my sins as did you, especially since Jesus basically said no man takes my life, I give it.
No... if you and I had not sinned, Jesus would not have been crucified...Our sins did not crucify Jesus without people doing the crucifixion right....? Sorry you made me laugh a little here but yes Jesus died for our sins. I know what you mean but our sins did not crucify Jesus, people did that part Kenny.
Not really Kenny, I agree that Jesus did not have to die if we had not sinned. However Jesus needed to be crucified to die for our sins and it was mankind that crucified Jesus. You will probably understand how this works better if you understand the old covenant shadow laws of atonement and animal sacrifices and sin offerings.
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Torah makes it clear that the Jewish Laws are only mandatory for Jews. Also, again, the 10 Commandments are only 10 of 613 Commandments, which can be found here: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)
No. Jews were afraid that a disruption during Pesach might force the Romans to quelle it, which they periodically did. Crucifixion was a Roman form of execution whereas stoning was the one mandated under Jewish Law [halacha]. Jews hated the Roman occupation, and the Romans didn't trust the Jews, thus the idea that they cooperated with each other is ludicrous.
"God's word" is not just found in the Ten Commandments and the Gospel.
The only commandment that they would possibly break was if they lit a fire on Shabbat. However, they could do what many orthodox do and that is to light the fire prior to Shabbat and keep it on low until the sacrifices are to begin.
Thanks Metis. I wasn't talking about what commandment they could break but rather they did their assigned "work" on the Sabbath which probably means they had another day of rest during the week.
That is a lie. I agreed that there are ten commandments. My claim has VERY SPECIFICALLY been that the Bible does not number the ten commandments, that it is tradation and not the text which determine which verses belong to which commandment numbers.
If you are not going to answer my challenge, don't bother replying.
If they're like some pastors I know, they probably rested 6 days per week.
Kenny I have never once said that Jesus did not die for our sins. I think you are missing the point. Our sins did not crucify Jesus, people did. Just like in the old covenant laws for atonement people had to take the life of the sin offering.Yes, so good about the laws of atonement. And, one could say that it goes all the way back to Adam and Eve in Genesis Chapter 3 even before any "Mosaic law" was given or even before the Jewish nation existed.
Not denying the involvement of the Romans (Gentiles) and those who were catalysts (Jewish leaders) - but I can't deny that it was my sins that crucified Him:
Gal 1: 3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our (my) sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
The reality is that we can minimize our involvement by pulling the Adam syndrome of blaming someone else:
What do you get from this verse:
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
As I read it, I see my involvement since I was in Him and with Him in the crucifixion.
I just found this piece that i thought was well rounded:
Who Crucified Jesus? The Romans, the Jews, You and I, or His Father?
So, who really killed Jesus? 1. Was it the Romans? Let’s find out the answer in God’s Word. In Matthew 27:35 we read, “And when they [that is, the Roman soldiers] had crucified him, they divided hi…
We are in the new covenant not the old covenant if you are not a part of Gods Israel in the new covenant you have no part in Gods new covenant promise see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34. God never made a new covenant with gentiles. According to the new covenant scriptures Gods Israel are now all those who have are no longer born in the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who through faith believe and obey what Gods Word says see Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-28 and Galatians 3:28-29. Gentile believers are nor grafted into Gods Israel through faith see Romans 11:13-26. You do err not knowing scripture.
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Then we have what the scriptures teach in Matthew, the Roman governor washes his hands of Jesus’ blood while the Jews proclaim, “His blood be on us and on our children!” (Matt 27:25). John’s Gospel portrays Jews as wanting to kill Jesus throughout his ministry (John 5:18, John 7:1, John 8:37). Similar sentiments are found elsewhere, including writings by Paul, who, himself a Jew, had once persecuted Christians (1Thess 2:14-15, Phil 3:5-6). You do err not knowing scripture.
Agreed 2 Timothy 3:16 says All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
Why would I answer a strawman argument no one is arguing about?
Then with context added back.....
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I see, but you did not know there was ten commandments.
If you aren't going to answer my challenge, please don't bother replying.
Do you think you are helping your case by lying about me?
Not from the text I can't. Nor can you. I rely on Jewish tradition, not the text. You rely on Protestant tradition, not the text.