Where was Jesus Buried.

[TransmutingSoul]

I see that Logically Jesus was buried and was kept a secret, so that the grave would not be desecrated.

There is a talk given by Shoghi Effendi which is no an official Baha'i view, but is of interest. It was given in a talk after Shoghi Effendi had been sitting in silence for a while and he offerd this.

"People wonder what happened to the body of Christ after the crucifixion. It was buried by the disciples under the wall of Jerusalem to protect it from the Roman legions. It remained buried there for some 260 years. (The Guardian gave the exact number of years but afterwards none of the pilgrims could remember precisely the number.) It remained buried under the wall of Jerusalem until the mother of the Emperor Constantine, who had herself become a Christian, came to Jerusalem and had the Church of the Holy Sepulcher built – at which time the body of Christ was removed from under the wall of the city and was placed under the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. And that is where it is today. The Baha’is should be aware of this fact when they visit the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, which is the holiest place in Christendom."

There has been interest with this recently as well.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...RUSg_CTH04c7d0Rvm&ampcf=1&cshid=1632082639108

So plausible?

We may never know, but maybe it will be known?

Regards Tony

 

[Eyes to See]

The Bible tells you where just where he was buried, with the rich people, in a tomb that Nicodemus owned. It also tells us that his body was no longer there on the third day. He was raised from the dead as a spirit creature, son of God. And apparently Jehovah had his human body vanish with no trace left of it. For the scripture says that Jehovah would not allow his son's body to see decay or corruption.

There is another instance when Jehovah took matters into his own hands with a burial of one of his servants, and this was when Moses died. Scripture tells us that Satan and Michael the Archangel (now known as Jesus Christ) were disputing over his body, and so Jehovah buried it away from both of them. It appears that Jesus did not want Moses' body to be used as a relic in creature worship after he was dead.

 

[Rival]

I don't think it will ever be known, as well as his having a common name.

From my perspective, and even from certain less orthodox Christian perspectives, I'm not sure what it would really prove if we found his body or how we'd ever know it was him. It would prove he existed, which few people doubt really, and not much else.

 

[exchemist]

I see that Logically Jesus was buried and was kept a secret, so that the grave would not be desecrated.

There is a talk given by Shoghi Effendi which is no an official Baha'i view, but is of interest. It was given in a talk after Shoghi Effendi had been sitting in silence for a while and he offerd this.

"People wonder what happened to the body of Christ after the crucifixion. It was buried by the disciples under the wall of Jerusalem to protect it from the Roman legions. It remained buried there for some 260 years. (The Guardian gave the exact number of years but afterwards none of the pilgrims could remember precisely the number.) It remained buried under the wall of Jerusalem until the mother of the Emperor Constantine, who had herself become a Christian, came to Jerusalem and had the Church of the Holy Sepulcher built – at which time the body of Christ was removed from under the wall of the city and was placed under the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. And that is where it is today. The Baha’is should be aware of this fact when they visit the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, which is the holiest place in Christendom."

There has been interest with this recently as well.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.icepop.com/jesus-tomb-opened/?amp&ved=2ahUKEwi6s8a77YvzAhXHzjgGHU38B2kQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw08CVmRUSg_CTH04c7d0Rvm&ampcf=1&cshid=1632082639108

So plausible?

We may never know, but maybe it will be known?

Regards Tony

So, Tony Bristow-Stagg, why the name change?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Bible tells you where just where he was buried, with the rich people, in a tomb that Nicodemus owned. It also tells us that his body was no longer there on the third day. He was raised from the dead as a spirit creature, son of God. And apparently Jehovah had his human body vanish with no trace left of it. For the scripture says that Jehovah would not allow his son's body to see decay or corruption.

There is another instance when Jehovah took matters into his own hands with a burial of one of his servants, and this was when Moses died. Scripture tells us that Satan and Michael the Archangel (now known as Jesus Christ) were disputing over his body, and so Jehovah buried it away from both of them. It appears that Jesus did not want Moses' body to be used as a relic in creature worship after he was dead.

I agree it was buried and we may never know where. As the body was removed, it is Logically the believers most likely managed to take them away.

There is a good example of how it may of happpened with the burial of the Bab's remains. For 60 years they were kept secretly hidden as well. They are now buried on Mount Carmel. At one time though, only one person knew there location, so if he had passed, no one would have known.

It also shows we do not have to worship the flesh, but we can show due respect for the remains of the body that spoke with the Authority of God.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So, Tony Bristow-Stagg, why the name change?

A change is as good as a holiday they say.

I have hoped they would find the remains, but then, people will still not see they have to let go of the flesh that was Jesus and embrace that Spirit that was Christ.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I don't think it will ever be known, as well as his having a common name.

From my perspective, and even from certain less orthodox Christian perspectives, I'm not sure what it would really prove if we found his body or how we'd ever know it was him. It would prove he existed, which few people doubt really, and not much else.

I think it would help a lot of people think about what it really means when Jesus said the flesh amounts to nothing and that it is the Spirit that is life.

It will also give them different frames of references about the resurrection.

Regards Tony

 

[Eyes to See]

I agree it was buried and we may never know where. As the body was removed, it is Logically the believers most likely managed to take them away.

There is a good example of how it may of happpened with the burial of the Bab's remains. For 60 years they were kept secretly hidden as well. They are now buried on Mount Carmel. At one time though, only one person knew there location, so if he had passed, no one would have known.

It also shows we do not have to worship the flesh, but we can show due respect for the remains of the body that spoke with the Authority of God.

Regards Tony

Well I respect your beliefs. But I would like to point some things out to you. When Jesus was on earth many lies were spread about him. Now imagine being on earth during the time of Jesus, and you not knowing him but hearing of him, how would you react to the news? What was the news being spread? There were some claiming he was a prophet, he was the foretold Christ. Others said he was a demon possessed man and a glutton and a drunk. Would you believe it? Then Jesus died. There were rumors spreading that followers took his body:

"While they were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests all the things that had happened. 12 And after these had gathered with the elders and had consulted together, they gave a considerable number of silver pieces to the soldiers 13 and said: “Say, ‘His disciples came in the night and stole him while we were sleeping.’ 14 And if this gets to the governor’s ears, we will explain the matter to him and you will not need to worry.” 15 So they took the silver pieces and did as they were instructed, and this story has been spread abroad among the Jews up to this very day."-Matthew 28:11-15.

Then there was the fact that he died as a common criminal. How would you react to such news? No doubt many who did not do their research and were just naive and believed anything they were told would have rejected the Christ. But what if you took the time to find out the facts? You would realize Jesus wasn't demon possessed but rather he performed many powerful works, many miracles in the name of Jehovah God. He wasn't a drunk, but a preacher of righteousness.


What about his dying as a criminal? Well all the charges were false. Even the court trial the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin held was illegal, for it was held at night. And they allowed and even bought false witness testimony, and then against the law of the Jews tried to get Jesus to incriminate himself.

And if you did further research if you read the Holy Scriptures you would have seen the references talking about the death of the Messiah and how he would die like a common criminal. In fact everything that took place was foretold in scripture.

There is enough evidence that he was real, and that what is written about him in the inspired word of God is truth. Noble-minded ones do the research and find the truth about such matters.

 

[sun rise]

There is a legend in India that Jesus was buried there.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Well I respect your beliefs. But I would like to point some things out to you. When Jesus was on earth many lies were spread about him. Now imagine being on earth during the time of Jesus, and you not knowing him but hearing of him, how would you react to the news? What was the news being spread? There were some claiming he was a prophet, he was the foretold Christ. Others said he was a demon possessed man and a glutton and a drunk. Would you believe it? Then Jesus died. There were rumors spreading that followers took his body:

"While they were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests all the things that had happened. 12 And after these had gathered with the elders and had consulted together, they gave a considerable number of silver pieces to the soldiers 13 and said: “Say, ‘His disciples came in the night and stole him while we were sleeping.’ 14 And if this gets to the governor’s ears, we will explain the matter to him and you will not need to worry.” 15 So they took the silver pieces and did as they were instructed, and this story has been spread abroad among the Jews up to this very day."-Matthew 28:11-15.

Then there was the fact that he died as a common criminal. How would you react to such news? No doubt many who did not do their research and were just naive and believed anything they were told would have rejected the Christ. But what if you took the time to find out the facts? You would realize Jesus wasn't demon possessed but rather he performed many powerful works, many miracles in the name of Jehovah God. He wasn't a drunk, but a preacher of righteousness.


What about his dying as a criminal? Well all the charges were false. Even the court trial the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin held was illegal, for it was held at night. And they allowed and even bought false witness testimony, and then against the law of the Jews tried to get Jesus to incriminate himself.

And if you did further research if you read the Holy Scriptures you would have seen the references talking about the death of the Messiah and how he would die like a common criminal. In fact everything that took place was foretold in scripture.

There is enough evidence that he was real, and that what is written about him in the inspired word of God is truth. Noble-minded ones do the research and find the truth about such matters.

You may have mistaken my post, all that Happened to Jesus as the Christ is in my heart.

It is no offering that Jesus is not the Christ, it is only offering that the body of Jesus was buried, that the location has been lost, but it maybe that can be known.

All you say about Jesus, was also the lot of the Bab, so I know what your heart offers and nothing at all can be taken away from Christ.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is a legend in India that Jesus was buried there.

Yes I know of that rumour. Jesus did die on the cross though. To me that is not an issue at all. I see Isalm might have started that train of thought, as it tried to explain Quran verses.

Others may be able to offer when it all started.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

This OP is all about the possibilities, as I have not drawn any strong conclusions on this topic, apart from I see Jesus body was buried. This is the part I have not researched, I wonder if there is historical records of this?

“It remained buried under the wall of Jerusalem (260 odd years) until the mother of the Emperor Constantine, who had herself become a Christian, came to Jerusalem and had the Church of the Holy Sepulcher built – at which time the body of Christ was removed from under the wall of the city and was placed under the Church of the Holy Sepulcher."

Anyone know?

Regards Tony

 

[Eyes to See]

You may have mistaken my post, all that Happened to Jesus as the Christ is in my heart.

It is no offering that Jesus is not the Christ, it is only offering that the body of Jesus was buried, that the location has been lost, but it maybe that can be known.

All you say about Jesus, was also the lot of the Bab, so I know what your heart offers and nothing at all can be taken away from Christ.

Regards Tony

Ok. That is why I posted a scripture for you in my post above. It specifically had to do with the fact the lie Jesus' followers took his body was spread by the Jewish religious leaders. They paid off the guards to spread the lie. The Bible account tells us that on the third day when the tomb was opened Jesus' body was gone but an angel was standing there.

It also tells us that God did away with Jesus' body. God himself made sure that the dead human body of his son would never see decay and would never be desecrated by any human or animal. He made it vanish. It no longer was.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well I respect your beliefs. But I would like to point some things out to you. When Jesus was on earth many lies were spread about him.

Yes, I can believe that. Lies have always been spread about all the Prophets/Messengers of God.

There is enough evidence that he was real, and that what is written about him in the inspired word of God is truth. Noble-minded ones do the research and find the truth about such matters.

Yes I agree, and that is a Baha'i belief as well.

“As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended. The Founder of the Christian Faith is designated by Bahá’u’lláh as the “Spirit of God,” is proclaimed as the One Who “appeared out of the breath of the Holy Ghost,” and is even extolled as the “Essence of the Spirit.”
The Promised Day is Come, p. 109

 

[Trailblazer]

The Bible tells you where just where he was buried, with the rich people, in a tomb that Nicodemus owned. It also tells us that his body was no longer there on the third day. He was raised from the dead as a spirit creature, son of God. And apparently Jehovah had his human body vanish with no trace left of it. For the scripture says that Jehovah would not allow his son's body to see decay or corruption.

I can believe that Jesus was raised in a spirit body and that was what people saw walking around. Why wouldn't Jesus the doer of miracles be able to make His spirit body appear just like His physical body?

That makes sense to me, so why do other Christians believe that Jesus was raised in the same physical body He died with?

What wouldn't God the doer of miracles not be able to make His body disappear?

 

[Fool]

I see that Logically Jesus was buried and was kept a secret, so that the grave would not be desecrated.

There is a talk given by Shoghi Effendi which is no an official Baha'i view, but is of interest. It was given in a talk after Shoghi Effendi had been sitting in silence for a while and he offerd this.

"People wonder what happened to the body of Christ after the crucifixion. It was buried by the disciples under the wall of Jerusalem to protect it from the Roman legions. It remained buried there for some 260 years. (The Guardian gave the exact number of years but afterwards none of the pilgrims could remember precisely the number.) It remained buried under the wall of Jerusalem until the mother of the Emperor Constantine, who had herself become a Christian, came to Jerusalem and had the Church of the Holy Sepulcher built – at which time the body of Christ was removed from under the wall of the city and was placed under the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. And that is where it is today. The Baha’is should be aware of this fact when they visit the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, which is the holiest place in Christendom."

There has been interest with this recently as well.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.icepop.com/jesus-tomb-opened/?amp&ved=2ahUKEwi6s8a77YvzAhXHzjgGHU38B2kQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw08CVmRUSg_CTH04c7d0Rvm&ampcf=1&cshid=1632082639108

So plausible?

We may never know, but maybe it will be known?

Regards Tony

some believe that it is in kashmir

Ahmediyas believe Jesus Christ is buried in Rauza Bal, Kashmir


The gravestones of Yuz Asaf - the Kashmiri Christ?
Jesus Christ did not die on the cross, nor did he ascend to Heaven. Instead he went over to Kashmir, lived there for some time, died a natural death and is buried in Rauza Bal, Khanyar, a densely populated area in the interior of the city of Srinagar. Intrigued by this myth a large number of foreigners have begun to visit this tomb.


some believe that jesus visited india during the lost years and then returned after his experience in jerusalem

 

[Subduction Zone]

If one goes by the standard of "logically" he would have been left on the cross and eventually have been placed in a common grave. Part of the punishment of Roman crucifixion was to leave the body up for all to see what happens when one defies Rome.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Ok. That is why I posted a scripture for you in my post above. It specifically had to do with the fact the lie Jesus' followers took his body was spread by the Jewish religious leaders. They paid off the guards to spread the lie. The Bible account tells us that on the third day when the tomb was opened Jesus' body was gone but an angel was standing there.

It also tells us that God did away with Jesus' body. God himself made sure that the dead human body of his son would never see decay and would never be desecrated by any human or animal. He made it vanish. It no longer was.

It is good to kniw that God does indeed allow for the Messengers remains to be rightly taken away from people that would desecrate them.

Regards Tony

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok. That is why I posted a scripture for you in my post above. It specifically had to do with the fact the lie Jesus' followers took his body was spread by the Jewish religious leaders. They paid off the guards to spread the lie. The Bible account tells us that on the third day when the tomb was opened Jesus' body was gone but an angel was standing there.

It also tells us that God did away with Jesus' body. God himself made sure that the dead human body of his son would never see decay and would never be desecrated by any human or animal. He made it vanish. It no longer was.

This story fails. If there were Roman guards there would be penalties for them and if the body was supposedly stolen Rome would have taken actions against Jesus's followers. It sounds as if it were made up long after the fact.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

some believe that it is in kashmir

Ahmediyas believe Jesus Christ is buried in Rauza Bal, Kashmir


The gravestones of Yuz Asaf - the Kashmiri Christ?
Jesus Christ did not die on the cross, nor did he ascend to Heaven. Instead he went over to Kashmir, lived there for some time, died a natural death and is buried in Rauza Bal, Khanyar, a densely populated area in the interior of the city of Srinagar. Intrigued by this myth a large number of foreigners have begun to visit this tomb.


some believe that jesus visited india during the lost years and then returned after his experience in jerusalem

This post was my reply.

Where was Jesus Buried.

Regards Tony