Which of these two things do you think is more important to Donald Trump.

[Shadow Wolf]

Your flippen economy is the strongest ever, even ol Obama who destroyed it needs an attempt to claim a bit of this fame.

The Recession began under Bush Jr. That's a fact.

Your Employment is the 2nd best in the world, after Japan. Give it another 4 years and you wont believe the heights your country will end up on.

And the jobs, pay, and benefits suck. We're doing more for less, the middle class isn't what it was,

Your Military was restored to the power it should be on.

The US Military has long been the strongest in the world, bigger and more funded than the next few combined. It can literally be hacked and slashed and it will still be larger and stronger than the rest. There's also tons of wasteful spending, such as buying munitions and equipment that are obsolete and will never be used.

The Communist, socialist media houses such as CNN, MANBC, ABC Disney and all the other Mickey Mouse lets hate Donnald,

So, you don't know what a communist or socialist is. The Mouse is, after all, a major Capitalist player nearing ever closer to a media monopoly.

Is this literally you blaming the post-apartheid government for pulling down what was built under apartheid?

It happens. I was taught, in my Conservative Southern Baptist homeschooling, apartheid Africa was a good thing because the Capitalists came in, bought up everything, and built up the economy (they didn't mention buying up everything to the point of crippling the economy for the locals), and that getting rid of it was bad because then those lazy people who didn't own anything would get to run the show.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He can be charged for his crimes at any time, even as a sitting president. The tricky part is actually coming up with proof.

The tricky part is finding someone who doesn't believe in the non-sense that you cant indict a sitting president.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

He can be charged for his crimes at any time, even as a sitting president. The tricky part is actually coming up with proof.

The Mueller Report gave pretty clear documentation of about 10 cases of Trump obstructing justice. Evidence isn't the issue.

The tricky part is finding someone who doesn't believe in the non-sense that you cant indict a sitting president.

It seems to me that a sitting president can be indicted, but:

- his pardon power presumably includes the power to pardon himself;
- using his power to pardon himself would likely be a criminal act in its own right.
- the way to address that crime would be through the impeachment process.

... so it's a whole lot less messy if they wait until he's no longer in office.

 

[Stanyon]

Sure they will. You're a part of the dwindling Chump base. I'm sure you feel wonderful repeating what RW carnival barkers tell you.

CNN, MSNBC, and the democrat debates are RW theatre? I found it especially amusing when they were attacking the Obama administration even more so that it was considered news that some were angry an sad because of it. Just a few weeks ago it was claimed that republicans couldn't win by saying "but ...Obama!" And they should get over it. The democrat hunger games have proven great entertainment, it's like watching someone trying to break a beer bottle over their own head.

 

[SA Huguenot]

5. Winning the 2020 election so he can avoid prison for another 4 years.

Aaaaaaa please
Trump was found not guilty on all the flippen charges you whished he did.
Hillary and her communist Muslim cronies is now on the line pal.
She were actually committing treason and I will bet you that she will be found guilty of all the charges old Mueller tried to get stuck for over 2 years!
William Bar will not be so blind to the Demodrats as was Mueler.
Hillary, and Bil is in beeeeeg trouble.
And they will have to explain why Putin payed them so much money for the speeches Bill held in Russia,
What about the uranium Hillary sold to Putin?
And what about her concocting the steele dosier and paying a russian spy to fabricate lies about Trump!
If you guys want to ignore these crimes, and are so brainwashed in believing what CNN tells you, then I can safely critisize your IQ.
Guys, Trump will grow stronger every day and will take 2020 with a 2 thirds majority!

Why do I say so?
Because You liberal socialist communists are teaching the American people what not to vote for!
Bye Bye

 

[Revoltingest]

The Recession began under Bush Jr. That's a fact.

It is a fact of little significance.
One should ask about the causes...fundamental & triggers.
What do you think they were?

 

[SA Huguenot]

The Mueller Report gave pretty clear documentation of about 10 cases of Trump obstructing justice. Evidence isn't the issue.

It seems to me that a sitting president can be indicted, but:

- his pardon power presumably includes the power to pardon himself;
- using his power to pardon himself would likely be a criminal act in its own right.
- the way to address that crime would be through the impeachment process.

... so it's a whole lot less messy if they wait until he's no longer in office.

And what you dont know, is that Trump was found not guilty of any crimes of collusion.
This claims of Obstruction is based on a falicy that if Trump dont give any evidence to collusion, he was obstructing a commission of enquiry made up of 100% Democrats that was assisting Hilary in committing treason against the voters of the USA.
Tour own Mueler did not even agree to what the Dems claimed about having Trump arrested and tried!
Furthermore, Mueller did not even know the contents of his own report, and he did not even write it!
Guys, William Bar is going to drain this swamp of communist socialist thiefs, and the american people is goin to help him do it.
The Dems are screwed for their own doing!

 

[tytlyf]

CNN, MSNBC, and the democrat debates are RW theatre? I found it especially amusing when they were attacking the Obama administration even more so that it was considered news that some were angry an sad because of it. Just a few weeks ago it was claimed that republicans couldn't win by saying "but ...Obama!" And they should get over it. The democrat hunger games have proven great entertainment, it's like watching someone trying to break a beer bottle over their own head.

You didn't watch the debate. Your bias is overwhelming for some reason. How have republicans helped you?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Aaaaaaa please
Trump was found not guilty on all the flippen charges you whished he did.

Mueller: Trump was not exonerated by my report

 

[tytlyf]

And what you dont know, is that Trump was found not guilty of any crimes of collusion.

Wrong. Trump wasn't charged with conspiracy against the United States. Which is a crime. Collusion isn't a crime. It's obvious from the report that the Trump admin was colluding and welcoming Russia's help in 2016.

This claims of Obstruction is based on a falicy that if Trump dont give any evidence to collusion, he was obstructing a commission of enquiry made up of 100% Democrats that was assisting Hilary in committing treason against the voters of the USA.

That doesn't matter. Perhaps the Trump admin shouldn't have given reasons for the FBI to start looking into their colluding? Yes?

Tour own Mueler did not even agree to what the Dems claimed about having Trump arrested and tried!

Wrong. Mueller didn't exonerate Trump.

Furthermore, Mueller did not even know the contents of his own report, and he did not even write it!
Guys, William Bar is going to drain this swamp of communist socialist thiefs, and the american people is goin to help him do it.

Wrong. Lay off the radical RW media.

The Dems are screwed for their own doing!

Your information sources sure are doing a number on ya

 

[Stanyon]

You didn't watch the debate.

Actually I did, I even made a thread about it here:
The Recent Democratic Debates in a Nutshell | Religious Forums

 

[tytlyf]

Actually I did, I even made a thread about it here:
The Recent Democratic Debates in a Nutshell | Religious Forums

That's not proof you watched it. What policy did you disagree with the most?

 

[Stevicus]

The Mueller Report gave pretty clear documentation of about 10 cases of Trump obstructing justice. Evidence isn't the issue.

Evidence does not necessarily entail proof.

It seems to me that a sitting president can be indicted, but:

- his pardon power presumably includes the power to pardon himself;
- using his power to pardon himself would likely be a criminal act in its own right.
- the way to address that crime would be through the impeachment process.

... so it's a whole lot less messy if they wait until he's no longer in office.

They impeached Nixon, who resigned before being removed from office. Then he was pardoned by Ford. (It would have been messier if they tried to put Nixon on trial, since he likely could have taken plenty of people down with him, if it came to that.)

Another option is that the president could use his power as commander-in-chief of the armed forces. A lot of military people seem to be heavily pro-Trump.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Trump was found not guilty on all the flippen charges you whished he did.

How was he found not guilty when he was neither charged nor tried?

 

[Howard Is]

It happens. I was taught, in my Conservative Southern Baptist homeschooling, apartheid Africa was a good thing because the Capitalists came in, bought up everything, and built up the economy (they didn't mention buying up everything to the point of crippling the economy for the locals), and that getting rid of it was bad because then those lazy people who didn't own anything would get to run the show.

Business as usual.

The Recession began under Bush Jr. That's a fact.

As I remember it the US economy was in surplus when the Clinton administration ended. After Bush Jnr’s exploits the national debt skyrocketed, which Obama inherited.

 

[fantome profane]

Evidence does not necessarily entail proof.

The “p” word should not be used except in discussing math, or alcohol.

Mueller provides extensive evidence for obstruction. And although he concluded for various reasons no criminal charges for conspiracy would be appropriate, he actually provided a lot of evidence of collusion as well.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Evidence does not necessarily entail proof.

Wait - so you're upset that Trump hasn't had a trial yet?

You and me both.

They impeached Nixon, who resigned before being removed from office. Then he was pardoned by Ford. (It would have been messier if they tried to put Nixon on trial, since he likely could have taken plenty of people down with him, if it came to that.)

I suppose Trump could be hoping that another 4 years could be enough time for him to line up a successor who would pardon him (and his kids - I don't think that Ivanka or Don Jr. Going to jail would be acceptable to him).

Another option is that the president could use his power as commander-in-chief of the armed forces. A lot of military people seem to be heavily pro-Trump.

Wait - you're talking about a coup, aren't you?

 

[Stevicus]

Wait - so you're upset that Trump hasn't had a trial yet?

You and me both.

Well, it seems to me that if they had enough to convict him, they would have started impeachment proceedings already. Considering the intensity of the clamor to get rid of Trump since day one (far more than ever was for Nixon), you'd think that they would have done so by now.

I suppose Trump could be hoping that another 4 years could be enough time for him to line up a successor who would pardon him (and his kids - I don't think that Ivanka or Don Jr. Going to jail would be acceptable to him).

That could be. I think the Democrats are hoping Trump will lose in 2020. But then again, comparing it to Nixon, he won by a huge landslide in 1972. Of course, many question the legitimacy of that election due to Nixon's abuses of power and an illegal campaign to sabotage the Democrats.

If nothing else, as we get closer and closer to November 2020, it's going to be rather interesting. The rhetoric could heat up, the dirty tricks, the smear campaigns, trolling on social media, and so forth. It should be an entertaining spectacle.

Wait - you're talking about a coup, aren't you?

Yes, although I would acknowledge that it's a very remote and extremely unlikely possibility. But then again, things are getting kind of crazy out there. I've reached the point where I've learned to expect the unexpected.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, it seems to me that if they had enough to convict him, they would have started impeachment proceedings already. Considering the intensity of the clamor to get rid of Trump since day one (far more than ever was for Nixon), you'd think that they would have done so by now.

IMO, the only reason that impeachment proceedings haven't started is that Nancy Pelosi has blocked all attempts so far out of some ill-conceived strategy, not because there's a lack of evidence.

Heck - Trump has been doing impeachable things out in the open ever since his inauguration. He never bothered to remove himself from business relationships that violate the emoluments clause.

Since then, though, the many times he committed obstruction of justice are now well-documented and impeachable as well. It's also become clear that he would have been guilty of even more serious crimes if it weren't for his staff's failure to follow illegal orders on several occasions.

That could be. I think the Democrats are hoping Trump will lose in 2020. But then again, comparing it to Nixon, he won by a huge landslide in 1972. Of course, many question the legitimacy of that election due to Nixon's abuses of power and an illegal campaign to sabotage the Democrats.

I think the abuses at the border will mobilize more Democrats to the polls, so I expect that Trump will do worse than he did in 2016, when he did lose the popular vote.

Yes, although I would acknowledge that it's a very remote and extremely unlikely possibility. But then again, things are getting kind of crazy out there. I've reached the point where I've learned to expect the unexpected.

I would hope that members of the military would care about things like duty, honour, and protecting the Constitution... but I would have also hoped that border agents would care about human rights laws and basic decency.

 

[Shad]

Mueller: Trump was not exonerated by my report

It's not Mueller's job to exonerate anyone. Heard of guilty or not guilty? Yawn. Mueller made no recommendation to charges. Yawn, again