Which prophecies did Jesus fulfill as to be the Messiah?

[Muffled]

And did he leave any unfulfilled?

Zech 11:12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my hire; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my hire thirty pieces of silver.
13 And Jehovah said unto me, Cast it unto the potter, the goodly price that I was prized at by them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them unto the potter, in the house of Jehovah.

Yes, there are many unfulfilled to be fulfilled at His second coming.

PS: This is also evidence that Jesus is Jehovah since Jehovah said this of Himself.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

So far yes

I am honstly really suprised though.

Jesus doesnt fulfill the most basic prophecies for the messiah. To the point they make up tngs like the ones in Issaiah being about the Messiah and then interpreting almah the way they want.

Its really curious o.o

Maybe you are having an issue with language and thought and how they work. Present me a prophecy and I'll demonstrate how Jesus fulfilled it. Present three if you like.

My only condition is that you present them as strings of actual modern American words, contained on both ends by quotation marks.

 

[Me Myself]

Maybe you are having an issue with language and thought and how they work. Present me a prophecy and I'll demonstrate how Jesus fulfilled it. Present three if you like.

My only condition is that you present them as strings of actual modern American words, contained on both ends by quotation marks.

If you really want to answer that go back a fee pages and see the list of prophecies.

Try not to be too obvious in your distortion of them when you "fulfill" them though.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

If you really want to answer that go back a fee pages and see the list of prophecies.

Nah. I'm talking to you, not to some message a few pages back. You seem a bit confused to me with your assertion that Jesus definitely didn't fulfill any prophecies -- as if you see your claim as an objective truth.

I can demonstrate that you're mistaken, I think, but only if you're willing to undertake the exercise.

Try not to be too obvious in your distortion of them when you "fulfill" them though.

You distort them when you claim Jesus didn't fulfill them. I would just be correcting that distortion.

But as you please. If you don't want to deal with it directly, that's your decision.

 

[dantech]

Nah. I'm talking to you, not to some message a few pages back. You seem a bit confused to me with your assertion that Jesus definitely didn't fulfill any prophecies -- as if you see your claim as an objective truth.

I can demonstrate that you're mistaken, I think, but only if you're willing to undertake the exercise.



You distort them when you claim Jesus didn't fulfill them. I would just be correcting that distortion.

But as you please. If you don't want to deal with it directly, that's your decision.

I'm willing to deal with you directly.

Are all Jews in Israel?
Is the temple built? Or was it actually destroyed during his life time? Please demonstrate exactly how I am confused on the subject?

 

[Akivah]

I am truly surprised at how easily mainstream christianity falls when looked from the prophecies perspective.

I would have never expected it honestly.

Oh for sure, Me Myself. I've talked to missionaries for a long time. It is so easy to dispell their falsehoods. Simply put them in context. If they quote a sentence, read the entire chapter. If they quote a chapter, read the chapters on each side. In every case, the context of the Hebrew bible destroys the Christian mistranslations and falsehoods.

 

[Sleeppy]

Oh for sure, Me Myself. I've talked to missionaries for a long time. It is so easy to dispell their falsehoods. Simply put them in context. If they quote a sentence, read the entire chapter. If they quote a chapter, read the chapters on each side. In every case, the context of the Hebrew bible destroys the Christian mistranslations and falsehoods.

And reality destroys the falsehoods of both Judaism and Christianity.

 

[Akivah]

The Messiah is not just one individual. And could never be.

In fact, the entire kingdom of God has been anointed to do the things prescribed to the Messiah. How do you get world peace from the demands of one man? How do you command Jews who don't want to return to Israel, to return? Or how do you command Muslims who require the same plot of land, to just give up and kneel to your perception of God and reality?

The reason you most likely can't answer these questions, is the same reason you haven't realized the Messiah is supposed to be you. And if you have children, them also.

Within Judaism, we look more forward to the Messianic Era than the messiah. The messiah will just be our future ruler (king, prime minister, or president what have you). Whereas the Messianic Era promises Heaven on Earth. Humans will forget how to make war and all people will know G-d. It is a future of peace and contentment that all humans can partake of. May it come speedily in our days.

The Hebrew bible isn't specific whether the messiah cause the prophecies to be fulfilled or simply arrive when they've been fulfilled. I personally agree with you that once humans have elevated ourselves enough to have forgotten war and recognize G-d, that the messiah will appear. World peace will be accepted rather than imposed.

But the land indeed remains cursed by God.

Cursed?? Where do you get that from? The land of Israel is blessed. How else can you explain how tiny Israel defeated five combined armies of the arabs, not once but several times? How does Israel make the desert bloom when for everyone else, it was a waste land? Israel is a miracle and continues to be blessed.

 

[Akivah]

And reality destroys the falsehoods of both Judaism and Christianity.

Well I know the falsehoods of Christianity, but what do you think are the falsehoods of Judaism?

 

[CMike]

Maybe you are having an issue with language and thought and how they work. Present me a prophecy and I'll demonstrate how Jesus fulfilled it. Present three if you like.

My only condition is that you present them as strings of actual modern American words, contained on both ends by quotation marks.

I already quoted the passages.

They are in Michah 4:3 and Ezekiel 37.

They are clear. They are not subect to creative interpretation. They speak for themselves.

Some of the prophesies are:

• World Peace
• All nations will worship one G-D
• All the jews will come to Israel
• All the jews will stay in Israel
• One unified king of the jews
• The temple in jerusalem will be rebuilt and stand forever
• A descendent of David (tribal lineages is based solely on the biological father)

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I'm willing to deal with you directly.

Are all Jews in Israel?
Is the temple built? Or was it actually destroyed during his life time? Please demonstrate exactly how I am confused on the subject?

Hi, dantech. I'm happy that you're willing to play, but I must insist upon my condition.

You have not presented prophecies. You've presented your own paraphrases (interpretations) of prophecies. I need you to present the prophecies themselves, in the form of a string of modern American words, enclosed by quotation marks.

I need to see the actual prophecies in front of me.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I already quoted the passages.

They are in Michah 4:3 and Ezekiel 37.

They are clear. They are not subect to creative interpretation. They speak for themselves.

Some of the prophesies are:

• World Peace
• All nations will worship one G-D
• All the jews will come to Israel
• All the jews will stay in Israel
• One unified king of the jews
• The temple in jerusalem will be rebuilt and stand forever
• A descendent of David (tribal lineages is based solely on the biological father)

Can you go ahead and list 3-5 prophecies, written in modern American English, and contained within quotation marks?

Thanks.

 

[CMike]

Can you go ahead and list 3-5 prophecies, written in modern American English, and contained within quotation marks?

Thanks.

I already did this.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3559929-post127.html

Michah 4:3

3. And he shall judge between many peoples and reprove mighty nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift the sword against nation; neither shall they learn war anymore. WORLD PEACE

Ezekiel 37

21. And say to them, So says the Lord God: Behold I will take the children of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side, and I will bring them to their land. ALL THE JEWS WILL COME TO ISRAEL

22. And I will make them into one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be to them all as a king; and they shall no longer be two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms anymore. ONE UNIFIED KING

24. And My servant David shall be king over them, and one shepherd shall be for them all, and they shall walk in My ordinances and observe My statutes and perform them DESCENDENT OF DAVID

25. And they shall dwell on the land that I have given to My servant, to Jacob, wherein your forefathers lived; and they shall dwell upon it, they and their children and their children's children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever ALL THE JEWS WILL STAY IN ISRAEL

26. And I will form a covenant of peace for them, an everlasting covenant shall be with them; and I will establish them and I will multiply them, and I will place My Sanctuary in their midst forever. PEACE. THE TEMPLE WILL BE REBUILT AND STAND FOREVER

28. And the nations shall know that I am the Lord, Who sanctifies Israel, when My Sanctuary is in their midst forever. ALL NATIONS WILL WORSHIP THE ONE G-D

 

[Sleeppy]

Well I know the falsehoods of Christianity, but what do you think are the falsehoods of Judaism?

If you know the falsehoods of Christianity, you likely know those of Judaism.

 

[Akivah]

If you know the falsehoods of Christianity, you likely know those of Judaism.

I don't know of any within Judaism. Please list a few.

 

[Akivah]

CMike, you forgot the quotation marks. Though actually, AmbiguousGuy's criteria don't really work. The Quotes are supposed to mean direct quotes from the Hebrew Bible and then he says write in modern American English. As the Hebrew bible isn't written in modern American English, it is impossible to directly quote the bible as he wants.

 

[CMike]

Lol I know.

I hope he forgives me.

 

[CMike]

I don't know of any within Judaism. Please list a few.

Ditto:

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Thanks for reposting them, CMike. They all seem easy to prove as having been fulfilled by Jesus. I'll address the first three.

3. And he shall judge between many peoples and reprove mighty nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift the sword against nation; neither shall they learn war anymore.

Jesus has judged and reproved many nations. His evangelists are still pursuing that even today, and the Christian leaders of Rome, Britain, the US, etc. have certainly judged and reproved many nations.

Many swords have been beaten into plowshares, and spears into pruning hooks. I could go out and fulfill this one in Jesus' name tomorrow. Just a visit to a blacksmith.

So far as I know, no nation uses swords anymore to make war against other nations, although I'm not sure if that's Jesus' fault. But I can make a good case for it if you like.

As for 'they shall not learn war', that's obviously figurative language. The prophesy is about spiritual, ideological warfare, in the style of the Cold War except on steriods, and no nations have been doing that for centuries now. Christianity infused itself into every nation and put a stop to that.

21. And say to them, So says the Lord God: Behold I will take the children of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side, and I will bring them to their land.

All Jews are now in their land. That's an especially easy one. In fact, I'd like to hear why you think that all Jews are not in their land. Surely you aren't thinking that 'their land' means the current political boundaries of Israel?? Surely not. The whole world is the land of the Jews. So why aren't all Jews now in their land? Are some in outer space? If so, I am willing to extend Jewish land out there.

Anyway, if a Jew doesn't care enough to be in his land, we could say he's not a real Jew. It would be easy to argue that all Jews are now within the political boundaries of Israel. The ones outside are not really Jews.

22. And I will make them into one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be to them all as a king; and they shall no longer be two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms anymore.

I don't get it. You think that the Jews are now divided into two nations? Why do you think that? There is one Jewish nation and one king (prime minister, Jesus, New World Order, whatever). Therefore the prophecy is fulfilled.

Let me know if you have others that especially interest you. I have to say that the ones I've skipped seem even easier than the ones I've done.

But I'll do two more if it's really important to you. Just name them.

And thanks for listening.

 

[Shermana]

I'm willing to deal with you directly.

Are all Jews in Israel?
Is the temple built? Or was it actually destroyed during his life time? Please demonstrate exactly how I am confused on the subject?

How do you know that the Jews ALL being in Israel and the Temple being constructed isn't part of a final phase of the ages ushered in by the individual?

Like I said, look at how over 51% of the world population believes in the Abrahamic god. Quite a difference from 30 A.D. That's progress!