Which Religious Scripture Is Truly The Word Of God?

[FearGod]

When put into comparison, all religious scriptures, which prevails over the other?
They must contain the following

1) Complex literature
2) Prophecies and Scientific evidences
3) Logic
4) No Errors






Peace.

Brother, it's a waste of time.

Islam is available as other religions, people are free for which path they choose and hence the judgement day.
Only God guides and never we and not even the prophets, they were only to warn and to deliver the message.

Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.(2:6)
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.(2:7)
So whoever Allah wants to guide - He expands his breast to [contain] Islam; and whoever He wants to misguide - He makes his breast tight and constricted as though he were climbing into the sky. Thus does Allah place defilement upon those who do not believe.(6:125)

The message of Islam was delivered and people have the free will as for which path to adhere to.

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.(2:256)

 

[metis]

I would agree they do to an extent.

But the Qur'anic scripture is the final revelation and the best one after those revelations by Allah.

Not corrupted.

And how could you possibly know that unless you were actually there at the writing and received the "message" accurately? Beliefs are not necessarily facts.

 

[Jabar]

Brother, it's a waste of time.

Islam is available as other religions, people are free for which path they choose and hence the judgement day.
Only God guides and never we and not even the prophets, they were only to warn and to deliver the message.

Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.(2:6)
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.(2:7)
So whoever Allah wants to guide - He expands his breast to [contain] Islam; and whoever He wants to misguide - He makes his breast tight and constricted as though he were climbing into the sky. Thus does Allah place defilement upon those who do not believe.(6:125)

The message of Islam was delivered and people have the free will as for which path to adhere to.

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.(2:256)

Yes, i am merely spreading the message though.

 

[Jabar]

And how could you possibly know that unless you were actually there at the writing and received the "message" accurately? Beliefs are not necessarily facts.

The book itself, the literature and the things in it make it divine.

 

[metis]

The book itself, the literature and the things in it make it divine.

And exactly how do you supposedly know this? Were you in the cave with Mohammed? Did you actually hear the Archangel Gabriel? Yes or no?

"Beliefs" simply are not the same as "facts".

 

[Jabar]

And exactly how do you supposedly know this? Were you in the cave with Mohammed? Did you actually hear the Archangel Gabriel? Yes or no?

"Beliefs" simply are not the same as "facts".

I do not have to be in the cave.

There are many things you believe that you have not witnessed, so your logic is very irrelevant and absurdity.

 

[metis]

I do not have to be in the cave.

Yes or no to my question-- not song and dance. Yes or no?

 

[Jabar]

Yes or no to my question-- not song and dance. Yes or no?

No.

This does not prove anything though.

There are many many things that you yourself believe that you are not witnessed to.

 

[metis]

No.

This does not prove anything though.

There are many many things that you yourself believe that you are not witnessed to.

Thank you for admitting "no". Therefore, there simply bis no way possible that you can categorically state that the Qur'an also wasn't "corrupted", to use you word for it.

And that was my point, so thank you for that. Problem solved.

 

[Shad]

It is not rhetoric, you said Allah uses favoritism. First learn properly to investigate information before you judge.

Actually you said this. I just pointed out what you said since you have comprehension issues.

 

[Jabar]

Thank you for admitting "no". Therefore, there simply bis no way possible that you can categorically state that the Qur'an also wasn't "corrupted", to use you word for it.

And that was my point, so thank you for that. Problem solved.

Problem is not solved, you have no proof but accusation.

 

[metis]

Problem is not solved, you have no proof but accusation.

I have not made any accusation at all, merely asked you questions and you answered them, so thanks. Therefore, from my perspective, the problem is indeed solved. "No" was you answer, so I thanked you for verifying that you don't actually know that Mohammed received any message from Archangel Gabriel or that such message was not "corrupted" because you weren't there to verify its authenticity.

No problem.

 

[Jabar]

Actually you said this. I just pointed out what you said since you have comprehension issues.

I have not made any accusation at all, merely asked you questions and you answered them, so thanks. Therefore, from my perspective, the problem is indeed solved. "No" was you answer, so I thanked you for verifying that you don't actually know that Mohammed received any message from Archangel Gabriel or that such message was not "corrupted" because you weren't there to verify its authenticity.

No problem.

Brother, you have not proven anything, but merely asking stupid and irrational questions to try and prove a point.

I did answer No that i did not see the whole process, but that includes all the 1.6 billion and more followers. If you say i did not see it, so therefore Qur'an is corrupted then your stupidity in this case is very high.

I know it is not corrupted because God himself said he would guard it from corruption, everything that the book says proves its divinity.

 

[metis]

Brother, you have not proven anything, but merely asking stupid and irrational questions to try and prove a point.

I did answer No that i did not see the whole process, but that includes all the 1.6 billion and more followers. If you say i did not see it, so therefore Qur'an is corrupted then your stupidity in this case is very high.

I know it is not corrupted because God himself said he would guard it from corruption, everything that the book says proves its divinity.

Your smiley at the end speaks of your phoniness. I asked a couple of honest questions, you answered them, and I drew the only conclusion any reasonable person could draw, namely that you simply cannot in any way logically know that the Qur'an was not "corrupted".

So, why do you take offense to that, Jabar? You have repeatedly insisted that everyone else's scriptures are "corrupted", and now you whine when someone actually says that there's no way you could know if yours is or isn't. Your utter hypocrisy is showing, Jabar-- you can dish it out but you just can't even take a serious question back in return.

It's no surprise that you acted this way, Jabar, and someday maybe you'll even try and understand that most religious narratives in any religion are unfalsifiable, whether they be yours or anyone else's.

So Jabar, you have clearly demonstrated your hypocrisy for everyone to see, so thanks for putting on such a display of hypocritical intolerance. As for me, write what you want but I have no interest in reading any other temper-tantrums coming from you. Goodbye.

 

[YmirGF]

I know it is not corrupted because God himself said he would guard it from corruption, everything that the book says proves its divinity.

A perfect example of circular reasoning.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

A perfect example of circular reasoning.

How are you able to name your links? I can only usually put in the URL.

 

[YmirGF]

How are you able to name your links? I can only usually put in the URL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

Just tried it above and apparently not. I know it used to work quite nicely on RF. Maybe one of the tech wizzies could enlighten us. @Quagmire

 

[Jabar]

Your smiley at the end speaks of your phoniness. I asked a couple of honest questions, you answered them, and I drew the only conclusion any reasonable person could draw, namely that you simply cannot in any way logically know that the Qur'an was not "corrupted".

So, why do you take offense to that, Jabar? You have repeatedly insisted that everyone else's scriptures are "corrupted", and now you whine when someone actually says that there's no way you could know if yours is or isn't. Your utter hypocrisy is showing, Jabar-- you can dish it out but you just can't even take a serious question back in return.

It's no surprise that you acted this way, Jabar, and someday maybe you'll even try and understand that most religious narratives in any religion are unfalsifiable, whether they be yours or anyone else's.

So Jabar, you have clearly demonstrated your hypocrisy for everyone to see, so thanks for putting on such a display of hypocritical intolerance. As for me, write what you want but I have no interest in reading any other temper-tantrums coming from you. Goodbye.

My smile at the end showed phoniness? WHAT? That is always from generosity, unless you lack critical thinking skills.

You draw a wrong conclusion, i answered to your annoying ''logical'' way to ''prove'' it was not corrupted. You say just because i did not see it, that i have no way logically to know that the Qur'an was not corrupted.

BECAUSE GOD HIMSELF SAID HE WILL GUARD IT FROM CORRUPTION. I never repeatedly insisted they are corrupted. But at least i can provide evidence.

Someday you will be guided to the truth with a good understanding and theological knowledge to actually end making suppositions based on stupid and irrational questions.

Absurdity at its finest.

 

[Jabar]

A perfect example of circular reasoning.

That is not circular reasoning.

 

[Quagmire]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

Just tried it above and apparently not. I know it used to work quite nicely on RF. Maybe one of the tech wizzies could enlighten us. @Quagmire

No idea, guys. I'll link this to the mod forums and see if anybody else has any clue.