Who are the real Children of Israel?

[Desert Snake]

No reason to? Why would anybody want to admit that they are not actually a jew, but that they are actually a khazar impostor who is pretending to be something that they are not?

No, it does not make everybody from that region a khazar because not everybody in that reason mass converted to judaism — only the khazars did.

So tell me, where did all these khazars go? According to your own emigration statistics, and your own professors/scholars, the people who are calling themselves jews are in fact the descendants of the khazars.

Your people are not semitic and are european. You act like this is all a huge coincidence, when it is not. The facts speak for themselves.

Khazars aren't European.

 

[Tazarah]

Khazars aren't European.

They came from an area between eastern europe and southwest asia. Regardless, the point that I am making is that they are not native to Israel, they came from eastern europe.

 

[Tazarah]

When do we get to the good stuff...

We already did. The bible says that ashkenazi “jews” are not really jews (Genesis 10:1-5), their own encyclopedias admit that they are not jews, their own scholars/professors, almanacs, etc.

Oh, and I forgot about this:

Leaked report: Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars; Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine

“...Israel seems finally to have thrown in the towel. A blue-ribbon team of scholars from leading research institutions and museums has just issued a secret report to the government, acknowledging that European Jews are in fact Khazars. (Whether this would result in yet another proposal to revise the words to “Hatikvah” remains to be seen.) At first sight, this would seem to be the worst possible news, given the Prime Minister’s relentless insistence on the need for Palestinian recognition of Israel as a “Jewish state” and the stagnation of the peace talks. But others have underestimated him at their peril. An aide quipped, when life hands you an etrog, you build a sukkah.

Speaking off the record, he explained, “We first thought that admitting we are really Khazars was one way to get around Abbas’s insistence that no Jew can remain in a Palestinian state. Maybe we were grasping at straws. But when he refused to accept that, it forced us to think about more creative solutions. The Ukrainian invitation for the Jews to return was a godsend. Relocating all the settlers within Israel in a short time would be difficult for reasons of logistics and economics. We certainly don’t want another fashlan like the expulsion of the settlers in the Gaza Hitnatkut[disengagement]...”

Is that good enough for you?

 

[rosends]

Look at how you unshamedly and BLATANTLY lie... “the word gentile is an error and the word ashkenaz is not related to ashkenazi jews” — what complete, utter BS. Look at you, lying your behind off, as if me and other people don’t have two eyes and can’t read.

Sure, you can read the English which is in error and you can read a name and draw erroneous conclusions from it. Your ignorance drives you to make accusations. That's sad.

the TORAH (Genesis 10:1-5) literally says ASHKENAZ and GENTILE... and that you come from japheth. You lie literally everytime that you post. Literally.

Well, it has a name Ashkenaz, which isn't related to the country of Germany, and it has a Hebrew word that you choose to translate into "gentile." Your mistakes, not mine. Remember, Ashkenaz was a person. Then, many years later, the country of Germany was called, in Hebrew, Ashkenaz. That would be a place with a name assigned to it. People who came from that place were called Ashkenazi, because of the place, not the person. And then, people who were from areas around there were included in the label. As I said, the same thing happened with Sepharad and Sephardi Jews. They don't all come from Spain. But hey, you stopped reading a long time ago.

So according to your logic, if the bible says canaan, then that has nothing to do with canaanite people at all, they are two completely different things, right?

Well, it certainly has nothing to do with New Canaan, Connecticut, or Canaan, New Hampshire which is the type of connection you are trying to make. You take a name from the bible and then find a place named a long time later with the same name and decide that they are the same. Brilliant.

Next you are going to tell me that Ham is not the origin of Hamite people, and that Israel is not the origin of Israelite people.

Next you will tell me that the name Mash (Gen 10:23) is proof that the TV show M*A*S*H is in the bible. Good work.

Then you said that the word “gentile” in Genesis 10:1-5 is an “error” — why is it an error, just because you say that it is? It’s an error because it totally shuts down your pathetic argument, right?

No, because the Hebrew word is "hagoyim" which means "the nations." In fact, the singular "goy" (nation) is used to refer to the Children of Israel (you know, the Jews) in the text (start with Ex 19:6) and in the plural, it is used to refer to Abraham's descendants (Gen 17:4-7) including the Jewish people. So why you choose to translate it as "gentile" to refer to a time before there were Jews and gentiles is beyond me. It is an error on your part which your ignorance and blinders are allowing for.

P.S. — your people don’t even speak HEBREW... You speak YIDDISH... and guess where that language came from? Khazars. It’s a made up language consisting of german and other languages all mixed together. Nothing about your people is hebrew and all of the evidence against you is overwhelming. I literally don’t even need to debate you, all I honestly need to do is post facts and watch you try to lie about them and make a fool of yourself. You don’t realize it but you are your own worst enemy.

Then you clearly don't know Hebrew or Yiddish. I don't know Yiddish, which is mostly a German dialect in Hebrew characters. Did you want to invent more stuff?

It is an IRREFUTABLE FACT that Genesis 10:1-5 identifies your people as originating from one of the sons of Japheth,

You keep saying that and you keep being refuted, which shows that your claim of being irrefutable is another mistake on your part. You are getting good at being wrong!

 

[rosends]

We already did. The bible says that ashkenazi “jews” are not really jews (Genesis 10:1-5), their own encyclopedias admit that they are not jews, their own scholars/professors, almanacs, etc.

Oh, and I forgot about this:

Leaked report: Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars; Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine

“...Israel seems finally to have thrown in the towel. A blue-ribbon team of scholars from leading research institutions and museums has just issued a secret report to the government, acknowledging that European Jews are in fact Khazars. (Whether this would result in yet another proposal to revise the words to “Hatikvah” remains to be seen.) At first sight, this would seem to be the worst possible news, given the Prime Minister’s relentless insistence on the need for Palestinian recognition of Israel as a “Jewish state” and the stagnation of the peace talks. But others have underestimated him at their peril. An aide quipped, when life hands you an etrog, you build a sukkah.

Speaking off the record, he explained, “We first thought that admitting we are really Khazars was one way to get around Abbas’s insistence that no Jew can remain in a Palestinian state. Maybe we were grasping at straws. But when he refused to accept that, it forced us to think about more creative solutions. The Ukrainian invitation for the Jews to return was a godsend. Relocating all the settlers within Israel in a short time would be difficult for reasons of logistics and economics. We certainly don’t want another fashlan like the expulsion of the settlers in the Gaza Hitnatkut[disengagement]...”

Is that good enough for you?

You didn't seriously just link to that article, did you? Wow. Did you look up the names of the correspondents?
Hershel of Ostropol - Wikipedia
Google Translate

did you look at the date? And the tag "Purim" at the end? This is a type of Purim Torah.

You are either incredibly simple minded or just a troll.

 

[Tazarah]

Sure, you can read the English which is in error and you can read a name and draw erroneous conclusions from it. Your ignorance drives you to make accusations. That's sad.

Well, it has a name Ashkenaz, which isn't related to the country of Germany, and it has a Hebrew word that you choose to translate into "gentile." Your mistakes, not mine. Remember, Ashkenaz was a person. Then, many years later, the country of Germany was called, in Hebrew, Ashkenaz. That would be a place with a name assigned to it. People who came from that place were called Ashkenazi, because of the place, not the person. And then, people who were from areas around there were included in the label. As I said, the same thing happened with Sepharad and Sephardi Jews. They don't all come from Spain. But hey, you stopped reading a long time ago.

Well, it certainly has nothing to do with New Canaan, Connecticut, or Canaan, New Hampshire which is the type of connection you are trying to make. You take a name from the bible and then find a place named a long time later with the same name and decide that they are the same. Brilliant.

Next you will tell me that the name Mash (Gen 10:23) is proof that the TV show M*A*S*H is in the bible. Good work.

No, because the Hebrew word is "hagoyim" which means "the nations." In fact, the singular "goy" (nation) is used to refer to the Children of Israel (you know, the Jews) in the text (start with Ex 19:6) and in the plural, it is used to refer to Abraham's descendants (Gen 17:4-7) including the Jewish people. So why you choose to translate it as "gentile" to refer to a time before there were Jews and gentiles is beyond me. It is an error on your part which your ignorance and blinders are allowing for.


Then you clearly don't know Hebrew or Yiddish. I don't know Yiddish, which is mostly a German dialect in Hebrew characters. Did you want to invent more stuff?

You keep saying that and you keep being refuted, which shows that your claim of being irrefutable is another mistake on your part. You are getting good at being wrong!

Like I said literally everything that you say is a lie, or equivocation. It’s always one or the other. You said that ashkenaz isn’t related to the country of germany?

What is an Ashkenazi?

— “Ashkenaz” in Hebrew refers to Germany, and Ashkenazi Jews are those who originated in Eastern Europe. (Sephardic Jews, by contrast, are from the areas around the Mediterranean Sea, including Portugal, Spain, the Middle East and Northern Africa.)

^ why do you lie so damn much? Then you say that I translated a word to “gentile”? I did not translate anything, the scholars who translated the bible did, and it clearly says gentile, because that is what you are.

First you lie and say that ashkenaz has nothing to do with ashkenazi jews, then you lied and said ashkenaz has nothing to do with germany, and then you lie and say that the word at the end of Genesis 10:1-5 does not say gentile when it clearly does.

I did not even bother reading the rest of the BS in post, it has become more than evident that you are a habitual liar that expects others to believe the pathetic nonsense that you are trying to pedal. One can only assume that that is the reason why Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 refers to you and your people as the synagogue of satan — the father of lies.

 

[Tazarah]

You didn't seriously just link to that article, did you? Wow. Did you look up the names of the correspondents?
Hershel of Ostropol - Wikipedia
Google Translate

did you look at the date? And the tag "Purim" at the end? This is a type of Purim Torah.

You are either incredibly simple minded or just a troll.

Purim had nothing to do with that post and is not “tagged” at the end — purim is in the “related topics” section.

Funny how you conveniently read over the part at the end that says:

“Update March 17:

Latest reports, including Vladimir Putin’s recognition of Crimea as a “sovereign and independent state,” and the estimate that relocation of Israeli settlers in any peace agreement would cost $10 billion, confirm the details of the above story. Ed.”

 

[rosends]

Like I said literally everything that you say is a lie, or equivocation. It’s always one or the other. You said that ashkenaz isn’t related to the country of germany?

What is an Ashkenazi?

— “Ashkenaz” in Hebrew refers to Germany, and Ashkenazi Jews are those who originated in Eastern Europe. (Sephardic Jews, by contrast, are from the areas around the Mediterranean Sea, including Portugal, Spain, the Middle East and Northern Africa.)

EXACTLY AND THANK YOU! It refers to a place, Germany and the Jews are from there and surrounding areas. Note how this has nothing to do with the Ashkenaz of the bible. You just proved my point.

Then you say that I translated a word to “gentile”? I did not translate anything, the scholars who translated the bible did, and it clearly says gentile, because that is what you are.

Actually, a vast majority of translations have "nations" or "people". I guess you are a KJV devotee. Figures.

First you lie and say that ashkenaz has nothing to do with ashkenazi jews,

I said that the biblical person has nothing to do with Jews.

then you lied and said ashkenaz has nothing to do with germany,

No, I actually said that the Hebrew name for Germany IS Ashkenaz. You are very confused.

and then you lie and say that the word at the end of Genesis 10:1-5 does not say gentile when it clearly does.

No, the bad translation you use says that.

I did not even bother reading the rest of the BS in post,

shocking...

 

[rosends]

Purim had nothing to do with that post and is not “tagged” at the end — purim is in the “related topics” section.

Yes, do you want to guess why it is "related" to this post?

Funny how you conveniently read over the part at the end that says:

“Update March 17:

Latest reports, including Vladimir Putin’s recognition of Crimea as a “sovereign and independent state,” and the estimate that relocation of Israeli settlers in any peace agreement would cost $10 billion, confirm the details of the above story. Ed.”

I read it. But because I understand that this is a Purim post, I understand the satire. It went right over your head. So sad. You aren't very good at trolling.

 

[Tazarah]

EXACTLY AND THANK YOU! It refers to a place, Germany and the Jews are from there and surrounding areas. Note how this has nothing to do with the Ashkenaz of the bible. You just proved my point.

Actually, a vast majority of translations have "nations" or "people". I guess you are a KJV devotee. Figures.

I said that the biblical person has nothing to do with Jews.

No, I actually said that the Hebrew name for Germany IS Ashkenaz. You are very confused.

No, the bad translation you use says that.

shocking...

More delusions.

How does it have nothing to do with the ashkenaz of the bible, when ashkenaz is the hebrew word for germany, and germany is exactly where “ashkenaz” is/was. You are pathetic. Yeah, it says that you people originated there because THAT IS WHERE YOU THEY FROM, like I have been showing you over and over. Hebrews did not originate in germany — your people did. You saying that ashkenazi people have nothing to do with ashkenaz is like saying that Israelite people have nothing to do with Israel, or canaanite people have nothing to do with canaan. Your people call themselves ashkenazi jews because that is their homeland. It’s funny how you say that the KJV is a bad translation simply because it calls your people what they are — gentiles. Lmao. Like somebody else here said in an earlier post — the KJV is the closest translation to the actual torah. Get over it, biblical news did NOT originate in germany, or, “ashkenaz”.

 

[Tazarah]

The KJV of the bible is the nearest to the original Torah and that is why it is a preferred translation.

The fact is that the covenants made

#Repost

 

[Tazarah]

Yes, do you want to guess why it is "related" to this post?

I read it. But because I understand that this is a Purim post, I understand the satire. It went right over your head. So sad. You aren't very good at trolling.

That post has nothing to do with purim. Is the part at the end satire too? where it says:

“Update March 17:

Latest reports, including Vladimir Putin’s recognition of Crimea as a “sovereign and independent state,” and the estimate that relocation of Israeli settlers in any peace agreement would cost $10 billion, confirm the details of the above story. Ed.”

^ is that also satire?

 

[rosends]

More delusions.

How does it have nothing to do with the ashkenaz of the bible, when ashkenaz is the hebrew word for germany, and germany is exactly where “ashkenaz” is/was.

The Ashkenaz in the bible was the name of a person. You are back to connecting the Canaan person in the bible and the town of Canaan, NH. So sad. More troll fail.

Yeah, it says that you people originated there because THAT IS WHERE YOU THEY FROM, like I have been showing you over and over.

It means that that is where they are from. I am from a state in the US. Does that mean that I have no other ancestry? Every time you hit rock bottom, you lower the floor. Impressive.

Your people call themselves ashkenazi jews because that is their homeland.

You keep saying that as if repetition creates truth. It doesn't.

It’s funny how you say that the KJV is a bad translation simply because it calls your people what they are — gentiles. Lmao. Like somebody else here said in an earlier post — the KJV is the closest translation to the actual torah. Get over it, biblical news did NOT originate in germany, or, “ashkenaz”.

Funny claim. Not only is the KJV riddled with agendized changes and mistakes, but since I study the actual Torah and you don't you aren't in much of a position to make your claim. I even gave you the verses to look at which use the same word. Have you check the KJV to see how IT translates the Hebrew word in those other verses? No, of course you didn't because you know it would prove you wrong.

Next?

 

[rosends]

#Repost

Oh look -- reposting someone else's mistaken claim in order to advance your mistaken claim. Well done.

 

[Tazarah]

The Ashkenaz in the bible was the name of a person. You are back to connecting the Canaan person in the bible and the town of Canaan, NH. So sad. More troll fail.


It means that that is where they are from. I am from a state in the US. Does that mean that I have no other ancestry? Every time you hit rock bottom, you lower the floor. Impressive.

You keep saying that as if repetition creates truth. It doesn't.

Funny claim. Not only is the KJV riddled with agendized changes and mistakes, but since I study the actual Torah and you don't you aren't in much of a position to make your claim. I even gave you the verses to look at which use the same word. Have you check the KJV to see how IT translates the Hebrew word in those other verses? No, of course you didn't because you know it would prove you wrong.

Next?

Dude, your own encyclopedia confirms what the bible says — it says that 90% of ashkenazi “jews” descend crom eastern europeans according to immigration statistics, statistics recorded by your own people. And where is Germany? Eastern europe. Ashkenaz > ashkenazi people. Just like how Jacob/Israel is the father of the Israelites. The bible says what it says, nothing you say can change it. Even your own people admit this truth. Ashkenazi people originate in germany/ashkenaz, and germany/ashkenaz is the name of the progenitor of your people. LMAO. It’s easy as 1, 2, 3. The fact that you think that you are fooling anybody but yourself is comedy.

Second of all, the hebrew word for “gentile” in Genesis 10:5 is “gowy” (strongs #h1471)

Genesis 10:1 (KJV)

gowy:

nation, people

1. nation, people
   1. usually of non-Hebrew people

Gowy - Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - New American Standard

LMAO. More lies, debunked.

 

[rosends]

Dude, your own encyclopedia confirms what the bible says — it says that 90% of ashkenazi “jews” descend crom eastern europeans according to immigration statistics, statistics recorded by your own people. And where is Germany? Eastern europe. Ashkenaz > ashkenazi people. Just like how Jacob/Israel is the father of the Israelites. The bible says what it says, nothing you say can change it. Even your own people admit this truth. Ashkenazi people originate in germany/ashkenaz, and germany/ashkenaz is the name of the progenitor of your people. LMAO. It’s easy as 1, 2, 3. The fact that you think that you are fooling anybody but yourself is comedy.

You do like that one quote which was delat with in the earlier messages that you refuse to read, don't you. I would have thought that someone of your passion would have something more to say than "I'm right because I don't read what you post that shows I'm wrong." I really enjoyed that whole map thing which you post and which showed that the slaves that you claim to be from one kingdom actually came from another kingdom. You're a hoot.

Second of all, the hebrew word for “gentile” in Genesis 10:5 is “gowy” (strongs #h1471)

Genesis 10:1 (KJV)

gowy:

nation, people

1. nation, people
   1. usually of non-Hebrew people

Gowy - Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - New American Standard

First, don't you mean "the English word for goy is Gentile"? You are presenting your claim backwards. The word in Genesis 10:5 is ha-goyim (the nations). It is the same word as the one used in, for example, Gen 48:19 (in your text), which the KJV has as "nations." So I guess the KJV is wrong because 48:19 should read "a multitude of Gentiles". Right?

You shouldn't make this so easy. Can you maybe call in a relief troll who is better at this?

 

[Tazarah]

You do like that one quote which was delat with in the earlier messages that you refuse to read, don't you. I would have thought that someone of your passion would have something more to say than "I'm right because I don't read what you post that shows I'm wrong." I really enjoyed that whole map thing which you post and which showed that the slaves that you claim to be from one kingdom actually came from another kingdom. You're a hoot.

First, don't you mean "the English word for goy is Gentile"? You are presenting your claim backwards. The word in Genesis 10:5 is ha-goyim (the nations). It is the same word as the one used in, for example, Gen 48:19 (in your text), which the KJV has as "nations." So I guess the KJV is wrong because 48:19 should read "a multitude of Gentiles". Right?

You shouldn't make this so easy. Can you maybe call in a relief troll who is better at this?

lmao!!! Look at you trying to twist things around. The bible says what it says regardless of what you think it should say. Who should people believe, the competent and qualified scholars who were chosen to translate the bible? Or you. Now all of a sudden you’re a biblical expert. You claim you read the torah, you know this, or that, etc.

Well answer me this, without us getting into the origins of the words:

Is germany/ashkenaz, or ANY of the other names mentioned in Genesis 10:1-5 “hebrew” nations?

According to you, the word “gentiles” in Genesis 10:1-5 is a mis-translation, and germany/ashkenaz is actually supposed to be listed as being a hebrew nation.

LMAO.

See what happens when you spin a web of lies? You always end up making yourself look like a clown in the end.

You and your people are NOT hebrews.

 

[rosends]

The bible says what it says regardless of what you think it should say.

And it says what it says regardless of what the bad translations you like claim it says. You just lack the skills to research it on your own so you prefer being a sheep. A sheep troll. Is there an adult in the house who can help you?

Who should people believe, the competent and qualified scholars who were chosen to translate the bible? Or you.

If you would prefer to trust the translators then trust the majority of them who translate the word in 10:5 as "nations" or "peoples."

Now all of a sudden you’re a biblical expert.

Not all of a sudden. It takes years.

Well answer me this, without us getting into the origins of the words:

Is germany/ashkenaz, or ANY of the other names mentioned in Genesis 10:1-5 “hebrew” nations?

No. They are names of people. Some of them ended up heading families that became nations. But the idea of "Hebrews" didn't come about until Abram (Gen 14:13).

According to you, the word “gentiles” in Genesis 10:1-5 is a mis-translation, and germany/ashkenaz is actually supposed to be listed as being a hebrew nation.

Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. Try again. According to me the proper translation is "peoples" or "nations" and the list is of the heads of the families which developed into separate peoples (note that the verse says "each according to its language, by their families in their nations") which settled on the various "isles of the nations." Have you even read the verse?

Some day, when you grow up, you will look back on all this and still think you know something. You'll be wrong then, also.

 

[Tazarah]

And it says what it says regardless of what the bad translations you like claim it says. You just lack the skills to research it on your own so you prefer being a sheep. A sheep troll. Is there an adult in the house who can help you?

If you would prefer to trust the translators then trust the majority of them who translate the word in 10:5 as "nations" or "peoples."

Not all of a sudden. It takes years.

No. They are names of people. Some of them ended up heading families that became nations. But the idea of "Hebrews" didn't come about until Abram (Gen 14:13).

Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. Try again. According to me the proper translation is "peoples" or "nations" and the list is of the heads of the families which developed into separate peoples (note that the verse says "each according to its language, by their families in their nations") which settled on the various "isles of the nations." Have you even read the verse?

Some day, when you grow up, you will look back on all this and still think you know something. You'll be wrong then, also.

Blahblahblah, that’s not what I asked.

Is Genesis 10:1-5 talking about HEBREWS, or GENTILES?

 

[rosends]

Blahblahblah, that’s not what I asked.

Is Genesis 10:1-5 talking about HEBREWS, or GENTILES?

You just don't like the answer. Neither.