Who decided "straight" was normal and everything else wasn't?

[dawny0826]

No its got nothing to do with that. People freak out over the tiniest of differences. Surely you've seen how uptight people can get when they encounter someone who is slightly different from what they expect. Stop washing your clothes or combing your hair. Skip instead of walking. Go outside wearing something 'Weird'. Go to the mall. Go to church wearing something really weird looking, like a superman cape. You will find out that despite having done nothing wrong you will be ostracized, treated like you are crazy and perhaps even told that you are sinning. Go anywhere that people expect you to act a certain way but act a different way. You will learn how uptight people are and how regimented and how much we rely upon other people behaving in predictable ways.

Seriously, I think the blanket labeling is ridiculous. My sister attends a non-denominational Christian church and the motto they use is "no perfect people allowed". You can wear anything you want to church and it's a very accepting environment. A lot of the youth have found haven at the church, because there is no critique for piercings, tats, self-expression in general. It's all about community.

There are up tight, irritable people who are not open to differences. But, these people are becoming less popular.

It's going to be easier for people to find their place, because younger generations are comprised of people who don't care that they're different and don't care to conform because they're gay. In time, things will change.

 

[DallasApple]

I 'assumed" my children would be heterosexual because the odds are they would be.But i kept an open mind there was a chance they might not be.All 3 (boys by the way) turned out to be heterosexual and I did not have to "train them" lOL>>.In fact I let them "know" in discussions about homosexuality(my middle sons childhood best friend in fact was homosexual) that I would not feel any different about them if they were.I did admit I would be worried about them "more" (LOL as in mothers worries over her children that never end) because of the way homosexuals are treated and viewed by many in negativity..but that I would not be part of their struggles as far as they would not have to worry about me rejecting them.Not a chance in hell.

 

[Me Myself]

I really don't know why "nature" should be our template in determining what is natural for humans. After all, how many animals in nature take care of their old and sick? How many animals have sent a member of their species to the moon? How many animals have created religions, philosophies, and have thought about life after death?

Yes, humans are a part of the natural world. But it's a little ridiculous to expect analogies of human behavior in animals, or to expect humans to behave only in ways that other animals do.

Not to say homosexual non-human animals abund.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No its got nothing to do with that. People freak out over the tiniest of differences. Surely you've seen how uptight people can get when they encounter someone who is slightly different from what they expect. Stop washing your clothes or combing your hair. Skip instead of walking. Go outside wearing something 'Weird'. Go to the mall. Go to church wearing something really weird looking, like a superman cape. You will find out that despite having done nothing wrong you will be ostracized, treated like you are crazy and perhaps even told that you are sinning. Go anywhere that people expect you to act a certain way but act a different way. You will learn how uptight people are and how regimented and how much we rely upon other people behaving in predictable ways.

That is an excellent post. Even the slightest differences can be noticed, and some people will make the biggest deal out of it. If a guy runs like a girl, people will probably make fun of him. If your feet point outwards, people will stare and ask the dumbest questions. Even listening to certain types of music will attract various negative remarks (but ask me if I care that you can't hear your main stream radio crap over my Tchaikovsky when we're sitting at a red light).

 

[Brickjectivity]

Seriously, I think the blanket labeling is ridiculous. My sister attends a non-denominational Christian church and the motto they use is "no perfect people allowed". You can wear anything you want to church and it's a very accepting environment. A lot of the youth have found haven at the church, because there is no critique for piercings, tats, self-expression in general. It's all about community.

There are up tight, irritable people who are not open to differences. But, these people are becoming less popular.

It's going to be easier for people to find their place, because younger generations are comprised of people who don't care that they're different and don't care to conform because they're gay. In time, things will change.

I don't know what is in store for the non-denominationals. I grew up non-denominational/charismatic/apostolic/something and left in my twenties. :sorry1: In hind-sight I think one of the problems all churches have is that they always become institutions. Its hard to strike a balance between flexibility and maturity. The minister usually has no alternative income, and the people usually hang on the minister's every word. Its a source of problems. Homosexuals generally are lucky to find a ministry + congregation who will cut them some slack.

 

[Brickjectivity]

That is an excellent post.

:giraffe::giraffe::giraffe:

Thanks.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I don't know what is in store for the non-denominationals. I grew up non-denominational/charismatic/apostolic/something and left in my twenties. :sorry1: In hind-sight I think one of the problems all churches have is that they always become institutions. Its hard to strike a balance between flexibility and maturity. The minister usually has no alternative income, and the people usually hang on the minister's every word. Its a source of problems. Homosexuals generally are lucky to find a ministry + congregation who will cut them some slack.

I'm very good friends with an Episcopalian priest who is extremely effective ministering to people of all ages individually as well as leading an entire congregation in his sermons. He's also supportive of GLBTQs, performs wedding ceremonies for nudists, and is a huge Doctor Who fan.

Needless to say, he's pretty popular.

 

[dgirl1986]

How did society as a whole arrive at the heteronomative state that it's in currently and decide that "straight" is the default while everything else is not, or even evil?

When people have a baby, it is automatically assumed that the baby will grow up to be straight. Sometimes, if the child turns out to have a homosexual preference, the parents will be disappointed. If people meet a person who acts outside his/her norms for his/her gender, they ask "are you gay?" Why does no one ask "are you straight?" to the 'normal' acting people?

More importantly how can we overcome the culture of heteronormativity and create a more inclusive society?

The majority rules pretty much.

 

[biased]

Not massive on the IM stuff, although I use Skype, mostly for work purposes.
Do you have an opinion or response for the rest of my post?

re-post what opinion/response you want me to respond to. I looked over your posts carefully, considered what was a valid question and what was you being a ********/sarcastic and chose only to respond to the valid parts.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

re-post what opinion/response you want me to respond to. I looked over your posts carefully, considered what was a valid question and what was you being a ********/sarcastic and chose only to respond to the valid parts.

LOL...fair enough!

Two serious questions, then...

1) Where do you see the line between self control and denial of humanity? Surely control of impulse is something which separates us from other animals?

2) How do you reconcile anything taken from nationalist socialism with libertarianism? l have some theories on which aspects, but given that they are bare-***** guesses I'd rather just ask you.