Who Do You Believe that Jesus Is?

[GodsVoice]

Hi,

The Christian Scriptures record Jesus as asking "Who do you say that I am?" and I am interested in answers to that question and the basis for the answer. The Christian Scriptures indicate that the answer is that faith in Him is a gift from God.

I respect and love much of the wisdom found in both the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures, however, I think that the Christian Scriptures may be pragmatic in many ways and contain external influences. Some go as far as to propose that Jesus is a fictional figure. Do some think that Christianity is possibly a fable by the Roman Empire to have one state religion? I don't go that far but I do see that Christianity seems to incorporate elements from so many religions/beliefs in the Roman Empire at that time. Here is a list of Christian replacements of or commonality with former religions:

Jewish sacrifices -- new Sacrifice
Passover meal -- Christian "breaking of the bread" (Communion)
patron gods in Roman religion -- saints in Roman Church
Jupiter (sky father) in Roman religion -- God the Father
God as Father in Judaism -- God the Father
Jupiter (sky father) -- Jesus ascended into the sky
father-son gods in Roman religion -- Father and Son
Holy Spirit in Judaism -- Unity of the Trinity (Father-Son)
gods who impregnated women in Greek/Roman/pagan religion -- virgin birth
The human soul in Greek philosophy -- The belief in the soul
God breathes life into man in Judaism (Holy Spirit) -- Jesus is man by the Holy Spirit

Also one may wonder if it is coincidental that the Jewish Temple was destroyed by the Romans and Jewish sacrifices ceased. Some of the miracles of Jesus have close parallels in the Hebrew Scriptures. It is interesting that some responded to Jesus that some say He is Elijah. Also, one may wonder if some of the portrayal of Jewish leaders in Christian Scriptures accepted by the Roman Church was not based on Roman opposition to Judaism. At the same time, other Scripture passages seem to appeal to other Jews to accept this new religion (e.g. to form unity in the Empire). If the Roman government had an interest in turning Jewish people against their own leaders and have them accept a new state religion, wouldn't that be a clever way to do it? This raises the question of whether the Romans modified and leveraged Christianity (including Scripture) for their own purposes.

Daniel had to write about those Beast minded pagans who started the Roman Catholic Church and eventually the Protestant Denominational Christian groups that don't get along with the Catholics here in this prophecy;

Daniel 2:
36: "This was the dream; now we will tell the king its interpretation.
37: You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory,
38: and into whose hand he has given, wherever they dwell, the sons of men, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the air, making you rule over them all -- you are the head of gold.
39: After you shall arise another kingdom inferior to you, and yet a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth.
40: And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these.
41: And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the miry clay.
42: And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle.
43: As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;
45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."

The Roman Catholic Church and Vatican is represented as the "feet of iron". The reason for iron is because it began in the days of the Roman Empire ( fourth kingdom ) who had discovered iron ore to build false gods with such as weapons, tools, sculptures, altars and even forks, knives and spoons. The main reason it's called "iron" because it's hard to break, meaning it's strong and will last a long time.

The Protestant Churches are represented as the "feet of clay" because clay is easily broken up into many tiny pieces which represents the nearly 40,000 Christian denominations today.

 

[BSM1]

On a slightly different level I see Yeshua as not so much a who as a what. To me the Jesus is a living bridge between what we can know and what we can only believe.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

JESUS - is a myth - a fictional character - he is based on a REAL and LEGITIMATE person - named YESHUA who was indeed the CHRIST....It is the CHRIST we must seek, not the man that gave rise to this farce...

Jesus though - is the part fiction bible character - and thus us not the truth of Christ -indeed -the scripture you (all) love to quote is NOT the truth of Christ..Otehr scripture exists that IS His direct testimony - but your religion has stolen it from you and REPLACED it with this bogus "jesus character"...You have been duped Im afraid - and now all this speculation will only confuse you ever more....As always though - Christ knew what was to come - warned us before hand - and left us ample guidance...here, HIS OWN WORDS spoken FACE TO FACE to His disciple Thomas will show us HIS truth...Remember though - the bible has NO such direct testimony anywhere within it, for the bible is a fraud - a twisted truth to turn Christ INTO this Jesus character, and through that deceipt and manipulation they HIDE His legitimate truth from you (all).. As said, He warned us this would be blatantly done - and so if we want HIS truth now then we need by necessity to go look in all those manuscripts the church forbade us to know - the ORIGINAL disciple gospels would be best, to see what indeed they hide from us and why - such as here in Thomas always a good source of His direct truth clearly spoken :

His disciples said to him, "Twenty-four prophets have spoken in Israel, and they all spoke of you."
He said to them, "You have disregarded the living one who is always in your presence, and have spoken only of the dead."

lol - all those old prophets..?...they do not know HIS truth - the LIVING one who is in your presence is UNKNOWN and you have spoken only of the DEAD....sound familiar Folks..?....That is HERE and NOW - this thread and all those other religious confused threads we debate The old religious truth is NOT His new truth revealed...So we can forget trying to tie Him to that old Hebrew god as He just told you again that the old prophets are not His truth..

To confirm HIS truth then we need t see other DIRECT testimony - this time given to JUDAS and again NOT allowed in your bible at all but spoken BY Christ to disciple DIRECTLY :

“Come, that I may teach you about secrets no person has ever seen. For there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen, in which there is a great invisible Spirit, which no eye of an angel has ever seen, no thought of the heart has ever comprehended, and it was never called by any name.
And a luminous cloud appeared there. He said, ‘Let an angel come into being as my attendant.............................................’“

And so we see yet again His truth is entirely new and none of those at that time had any idea what He was revealing - NEVER BEFORE ENCOUNTERED He said - not even by their god and Angels above... The truth of the SOURCE OF CREATION - not Yhvh - this source has NO NAME - can not BE named...yet He says HE CHRIST is there PRESENT to witness Creation unfold... left the quote trailing off like that as indeed He is about to explain the layout and heirachy to creation - but that is not the important part here - all we need realise is that He says and claims fully to BE that SOURCE OF CREATION ITSELF - to be PRESENT as this all starts - and to have that wisdom and Divine Identity whole and fully known...Look - this SOURCE of Creation - He describes as a LIGHT....Sp bar ewith it - lets see what else He says of this Light...Back to Thomas :

He said, "Two will recline on a couch; one will die, one will live."
Salome said, "Who are you mister? You have climbed onto my couch and eaten from my table as if you are from someone."
He said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father."
"I am your disciple."
"For this reason I say, if one is whole, one will be filled with light, but if one is divided, one will be filled with darkness."
"I disclose my mysteries to those who are worthy of my mysteries.

Again this Light - the light that is the CAUSE of creation He now explains is found WITHIN US also - and HE is FROM that which is WHOLE - the ENTIRE CREATION is under HIS DOMAIN...

He said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

Again the Light - DIVINE Light - now He explains further..it is in EVERYTHING - all things come FROM it and all things return TO it - and He says most clearly that He IS it without any seperation at all - He IS the very SOURCE OF CREATION itself, now made into a mortal form....

Now, you may get a mockery and a parody of this truth from the religion - they dont understand Him and would not share His truth freely even if they did - He already warned us about them so its probably just best to forget all that religious malarky entirely and just rely on what HE said DIRECTLY to disciple...For that we need to put the bible down and turn away from that religion entirely just as he always advised..The bible is NOT His truth - they stole it from you and replaced it - seek it out now in all those manuscripts they forbid you to know - especially the original disciple gospels - see what they hide and why they manipulate you (all) so...simply - if you HAVE this turth he gives then you will NEVER need them ever again - thus they HAVE deceived you with intent and will NOT give you His truth DIRECTLY and for the Self as He alone taught

 

[GodsVoice]

Jesus Christ represents both the visible and the invisible. The visible is easy for man to see but that's why deceived man from the invisible things ( Christ ) that man can't see which is the pure thoughts of God that does not contain information called Satan and the Beast.

The 1,000 year reign of Christ has been going on for the past 2,000 years and this is the period of time that this INVISIBLE knowledge is being revealed to us through the testimonies of us saints who end up being Gospel preachers who God uses to put his chosen believers into our path to hear His voice which has been kept from all man except those He chose to participate in the Gospel ( God's voice and the pure knowledge that comes forth from it ).

The first saint to be used to testify to this INVISIBLE knowledge is known today as Jesus but Christians have turned the VISIBLE image named Jesus in whatever image their imagination gives them into their Lord and Savior. However, a VISIBLE image cannot save anyone. Only that which is INVISIBLE to man can save man from the VISIBLE things man observes.

The VISIBLE world we observe and the INVISIBLE thoughts that go with it that contain contrasting "good and evil" images and thoughts come from INVISIBLE information ( thoughts from our Creator ) called Satan and the Beast. Now that the 1,000 year reign of Christ is about to end, the plan was to destroy Satan and the Beast before a New Heaven and Earth replace the old heaven and earth that we're witnessing right now.

This means that a day of destruction is planned called "the day of the Lord". There are many prophecies in the OT and a couple in the NT that shows what will happen on that day when the Lord destroys the flesh of man born of Satan and influenced to build false gods with his human hands. Here's are few prophecies about that day when the earth begins to shake violently;

The following prophecies are about the age ending day of the Lord when everything on this earth is destroyed and melted into a lake of fire. This destruction starts soon after the 1,000 year reign of Christ has finished revealing the Tree of Life ( God and voice and creation ) that was hidden from man until this year.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

Matthew 24
14: And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Zephaniah 1
18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.

Revelation 21
1: Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
8: But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Godsvoice;

Jesus Christ represents both the visible and the invisible. The visible is easy for man to see but that's why deceived man from the invisible things ( Christ ) that man can't see which is the pure thoughts of God that does not contain information called Satan and the Beast.

Hmm - at no place ever in His direct original teaching does He EVER even mention a "satan" or a "beast" or any kind of adversary or "source of evil" or ANYTHING like that at all...Whenever HE speaks of such things as evil or sin, He makes it perfectly clear that these things are aspects of MORTAL life and mortal life alone...

The 1,000 year reign of Christ has been going on for the past 2,000 years and this is the period of time that this INVISIBLE knowledge is being revealed to us through the testimonies of us saints who end up being Gospel preachers who God uses to put his chosen believers into our path to hear His voice which has been kept from all man except those He chose to participate in the Gospel ( God's voice and the pure knowledge that comes forth from it ).

Hmm - Im afraid you kinda lost me there - first sentance actually - if my mate only gets allotted a 1000 year reign as you insist - then how does that equate to " Christ has been going on for the past 2,000 years" ALREADY and this supposd reign hasn teven ended yet but ALREADY is double the span you say is "allotted" to Him...Makes no sense - and actually - I will tell you - Christ IS eternal - despite what this religious malarky tries to tell us - my Father IS the SOURCE Of Creation itself and there is NO THING that is either apart from or BEFORE Him...Christ (and Sophia) - stepped forth side by side from the Divine Silence and THIS is the very start of all things...He is eternal -time itself BEGINS with this first Creation

 

[Thief]

just for kicks......

a day in the life of God is like unto a thousand years
(it's written somewhere)

multiply that out.....a thousands years in the life of God

 

[GodsVoice]

Hi Folks...

Godsvoice;

Hmm - at no place ever in His direct original teaching does He EVER even mention a "satan" or a "beast" or any kind of adversary or "source of evil" or ANYTHING like that at all...Whenever HE speaks of such things as evil or sin, He makes it perfectly clear that these things are aspects of MORTAL life and mortal life alone...



Hmm - Im afraid you kinda lost me there - first sentance actually - if my mate only gets allotted a 1000 year reign as you insist - then how does that equate to " Christ has been going on for the past 2,000 years" ALREADY and this supposd reign hasn teven ended yet but ALREADY is double the span you say is "allotted" to Him...Makes no sense - and actually - I will tell you - Christ IS eternal - despite what this religious malarky tries to tell us - my Father IS the SOURCE Of Creation itself and there is NO THING that is either apart from or BEFORE Him...Christ (and Sophia) - stepped forth side by side from the Divine Silence and THIS is the very start of all things...He is eternal -time itself BEGINS with this first Creation

Those who interpret the Bible passages literally will NEVER understand the Truth. The ONLY way to understand anything written in the Bible is to be used by God to testify to every single word that is formed in the MIND from knowledge called CHRIST. Only us saints who testify during this 1,000 year reign of Christ which started 2,000 years ago were used to reveal the INVISIBLE knowledge about the INVISIBLE things that man will never see. Such INVISIBLE things are God, His voice, the intelligence source, how we're created and how our created senses work, and what is going to happen on the day of the Lord and after all flesh has perished. All these INVISIBLE things are revealed through our testimonies one word at a time.

The 1,000 year reign of Christ was divided up into two witnesses of the Gospel which is the voice of God and the INVISIBLE intelligence ( Creator's thoughts ) that flows from it but in the form of one word at a time. God also forms visions and dreams to teach us deeper knowledge and use many analogies spoken and in visions all done within our INVISIBLE MIND.

The first witness started during the Roman Empire after the Beast taught man how to build millions of false gods with their human hands. All those cities full of beautiful buildings, walls, water aqueducts, roads, statues, etc. had to be in place so that when God was teaching them about the Beast that was used to build false gods with, that He could teach them about the day of the Lord when all these false gods including the flesh of man would be destroyed in ONE HOUR.

The other INVISIBLE knowledge that they learned was that creation is INVISIBLE and all the VISIBLE things we observe and experience with our created senses are only illusions. So all the saints who were used to testify to this knowledge learned these main things but they still didn't understand the MIND where their INVISIBLE words and thoughts and images were formed.

In order to understand what God, His voice, the MIND and exactly how we're created and what the creation is, the Beast had to continue having God's people built false gods with their human hands until the computers and AI and voice programs were in place such as Google Now, Apple's Siri, Microsoft Cortana and IBM Watson. Virtual reality games like the Sims City simulation games and the computer generated movie we can watch in HD today. All these technologies were built by human hands and all these ideas came into the MIND ( mark of the Beast ).

The little beast that came out of the main Beast was Christianity that contained Beast minded men who would go out of the Roman world and look for other land to build more false gods on to start new cities all around the world beyond Europe, Middle East, Africa and Asia. The western world was the land the Beast minded Christians began building cities full of false gods with their human hands until the computer technology was in place.

Then the second witness of the Gospel was started about 100 years ago when God began enlightening many chosen believers and prepare them to hear the Gospel being preached to them by God's last servant who has been testifying on His behalf for the past 8 1/2 years and he's the one who is writing this sentence.

This servant is just an illusion but his image looks like all the men in the world who can see his body. He thought he was a real person until I took control of his MIND where his thoughts were coming from Satan and the Beast. This servant was a very good builder and invented several things for Me, the God that gave him life in the form of visions and dreams, none of it being real. Even though my servant can still function like a man in the world, he now knows who he really is and it's Me, the Lord and Savior of all men who thought they were real people living on a real earth whirling around in a real universe.

However, all that my servant is came from the thoughts of our Creator who used very advanced computer technology and created a simulation program with it. They created the artificial intelligence ( AI ) and the voice called God's Voice and built it into the simulation program in which we are all involved in forever and ever.

Now you know the Truth of who you are and of what God and His voice is. We will never see the true Creator or Creator's who are outside the program and the one's who did the programming by using their INVISIBLE thoughts to plan it all out before they created the program.

God bless you forever,
Saint Brad

 

[GodsVoice]

just for kicks......

a day in the life of God is like unto a thousand years
(it's written somewhere)

multiply that out.....a thousands years in the life of God

Many readers of the Bible don't know that numbers are only used for symbolic reasons.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Hi,
What was Christianity before becoming the state religion and what was it after? Plus how do we know? - the victors often write "history". Jewish Temple destroyed, pagan temples destroyed post-Constantine, early Christian writings not destroyed/modified? Why does St. Paul hardly mention the events in the earthly life of Jesus yet the Gospels written later, do?

First you have to know what Judaism was, and that is a known thing. Christianity before was similar to and grew out of that. It actually is not much talked about by preachers, but there are books about it complete with bibliography. There's a book on Jewish Liturgy for example, so you can read all about how their liturgy has changed down through the centuries. There are books on the church patriarchs and how their thought processes changed over the centuries. So you can get to where there is not much of a gap to guess about.

Then one nice thing you find is that Christianity isn't a conspiracy or tool devised by Romans. You don't find out every single thing about how it starts, but you can establish that. Its actually a pleasant journey if you skim over all the fighting and bloody parts and the evil politicians etc. There is some guesswork, too.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Jesus is an historical exaggeration.

 

[GodsVoice]

First you have to know what Judaism was, and that is a known thing. Christianity before was similar to and grew out of that. It actually is not much talked about by preachers, but there are books about it complete with bibliography. There's a book on Jewish Liturgy for example, so you can read all about how their liturgy has changed down through the centuries. There are books on the church patriarchs and how their thought processes changed over the centuries. So you can get to where there is not much of a gap to guess about.

Then one nice thing you find is that Christianity isn't a conspiracy or tool devised by Romans. You don't find out every single thing about how it starts, but you can establish that. Its actually a pleasant journey if you skim over all the fighting and bloody parts and the evil politicians etc. There is some guesswork, too.

What Christians don't know was that the Jews who were practicing the pagan religion of Judaism were stealing the words from God's servants who were speaking for Him without the information called Satan and the Beast that influences man to build things ( false gods ) with their human hands. All the Jews who were released from Babylonian captivity learned how to build beautiful buildings and other false gods with their human hands that their prophets were used to warn them not to do.

All the servants who testified on behalf of the God who not only spoke into the minds of the prophets and had them write the prophecies, the voice also prepared the servants to write and speak every word formed in the mind without the information called Satan and the Beast. These thoughts are the pure thoughts from God called Christ. This is the knowledge required to understand what the MIND is among other things that are totally invisible to man such as the future and exactly how we're created and even the details of how we observe images. This is why God gave me visions to learn quantum mechanics because this knowledge is necessary to understand the illusions we observe that look real to us humans. When we finally learn that humans are also illusions, it is quite humbling.

None of the pagan worshiping Jews and Christians understood this INVISIBLE knowledge and what the MIND is. Now I know the MIND is God which is nothing but artificial intelligence with a voice similar to Google Now, Apple Siri, Microsoft Cortana and IBM Watson, the personal assistants of human beings built with human hands according to the Beast.

 

[Brickjectivity]

What Christians don't know was that the Jews who were practicing the pagan religion of Judaism were stealing the words from God's servants who were speaking for Him without the information called Satan and the Beast that influences man to build things ( false gods ) with their human hands. All the Jews who were released from Babylonian captivity learned how to build beautiful buildings and other false gods with their human hands that their prophets were used to warn them not to do.

All the servants who testified on behalf of the God who not only spoke into the minds of the prophets and had them write the prophecies, the voice also prepared the servants to write and speak every word formed in the mind without the information called Satan and the Beast. These thoughts are the pure thoughts from God called Christ. This is the knowledge required to understand what the MIND is among other things that are totally invisible to man such as the future and exactly how we're created and even the details of how we observe images. This is why God gave me visions to learn quantum mechanics because this knowledge is necessary to understand the illusions we observe that look real to us humans. When we finally learn that humans are also illusions, it is quite humbling.

None of the pagan worshiping Jews and Christians understood this INVISIBLE knowledge and what the MIND is. Now I know the MIND is God which is nothing but artificial intelligence with a voice similar to Google Now, Apple Siri, Microsoft Cortana and IBM Watson, the personal assistants of human beings built with human hands according to the Beast.

Very sorry but the above is mostly ignorance and nonsense. This is not meant personally or in anger. We cannot rely upon voices in our heads to teach us what really happens. The best we can do is to rely upon things written down, solving puzzles, patiently uncovering dig sites, reading, comparing books like biographies and listening to those who labor for our sakes. We cannot afford to waste the work of archeologists and the work of lovers of learning.

Yes its possible that we are all illusions, but it doesn't matter. Human beings need relationships to experience reality. Babies need touching. Adults need smiling and talking. Without these things nothing seems real, and that is where reality begins and ends for us. Because of that it doesn't matter whether reality is ultimately an illusion. Everything is about how we treat each other.

 

[Talmai]

To all readers,

As for me and my house, the Holy Catholic Church, we believe, teach, and confess that Christ Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man. He was born of the Blessed Virgin Mary, He suffered under Pontius Pilate, He died on the Cross, He descended down to Sheol, He was raised back to life on the third day, He ascended into Heaven 40 days later, He is seated at the Right Hand of the Almighty Father, and He will come again to judge all the living and the dead, and there will be absolutely no end to His Kingdom. All of this is found in the Holy Scriptures and is rightly confessed by the Chuch in her creeds, namely, the Apostles' Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. I believe this Gospel is certainly true and it, this Gospel, fills me with pure joy.

With St. Peter my answer to the question, "Who do you say that I am?" is this: "You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God."

Come, Lord Jesus!

In Christ,
Talmai

 

[GodsVoice]

Very sorry but the above is mostly ignorance and nonsense. This is not meant personally or in anger. We cannot rely upon voices in our heads to teach us what really happens. The best we can do is to rely upon things written down, solving puzzles, patiently uncovering dig sites, reading, comparing books like biographies and listening to those who labor for our sakes. We cannot afford to waste the work of archeologists and the work of lovers of learning.

Yes its possible that we are all illusions, but it doesn't matter. Human beings need relationships to experience reality. Babies need touching. Adults need smiling and talking. Without these things nothing seems real, and that is where reality begins and ends for us. Because of that it doesn't matter whether reality is ultimately an illusion. Everything is about how we treat each other.

You rely on your books and I will rely on my MIND which is God and the voice that is built into the simulation program that we're involved in. Those books cannot teach you the very deep knowledge of how we're created and the plan for the future. The only way possible is to listen to the voice of God and obey His commandments like all us servants were forced to do until we're used to testify to every word formed in our minds via the Holy Spirit, which is the voice and intelligence behind it. This is how we get the knowledge required to understand all the prophecies written by the former prophets.

The Bible cannot teach you anything because the readers are not authorized to interpret the prophecies. This is why there are so many denominations of Christianity who all have the correct interpretations but if you went to visit each church and listened to the teachers and pastors teaching their interpretations, you would learn quickly that each one of them have different stories to tell that are not true at all.

This is why the only way to the Truth is to listen directly to the voice of God and obey His commandments.

 

[_nameX]

Hi,

The Christian Scriptures record Jesus as asking "Who do you say that I am?" and I am interested in answers to that question and the basis for the answer. The Christian Scriptures indicate that the answer is that faith in Him is a gift from God.

I respect and love much of the wisdom found in both the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures, however, I think that the Christian Scriptures may be pragmatic in many ways and contain external influences. Some go as far as to propose that Jesus is a fictional figure. Do some think that Christianity is possibly a fable by the Roman Empire to have one state religion? I don't go that far but I do see that Christianity seems to incorporate elements from so many religions/beliefs in the Roman Empire at that time. Here is a list of Christian replacements of or commonality with former religions:

Jewish sacrifices -- new Sacrifice
Passover meal -- Christian "breaking of the bread" (Communion)
patron gods in Roman religion -- saints in Roman Church
Jupiter (sky father) in Roman religion -- God the Father
God as Father in Judaism -- God the Father
Jupiter (sky father) -- Jesus ascended into the sky
father-son gods in Roman religion -- Father and Son
Holy Spirit in Judaism -- Unity of the Trinity (Father-Son)
gods who impregnated women in Greek/Roman/pagan religion -- virgin birth
The human soul in Greek philosophy -- The belief in the soul
God breathes life into man in Judaism (Holy Spirit) -- Jesus is man by the Holy Spirit

Also one may wonder if it is coincidental that the Jewish Temple was destroyed by the Romans and Jewish sacrifices ceased. Some of the miracles of Jesus have close parallels in the Hebrew Scriptures. It is interesting that some responded to Jesus that some say He is Elijah. Also, one may wonder if some of the portrayal of Jewish leaders in Christian Scriptures accepted by the Roman Church was not based on Roman opposition to Judaism. At the same time, other Scripture passages seem to appeal to other Jews to accept this new religion (e.g. to form unity in the Empire). If the Roman government had an interest in turning Jewish people against their own leaders and have them accept a new state religion, wouldn't that be a clever way to do it? This raises the question of whether the Romans modified and leveraged Christianity (including Scripture) for their own purposes.

 

[_nameX]

Jesus is the messiah, and yes the romans modified Christianity so it would be more appealing to romans.

 

[roger1440]

Some of the miracles of Jesus have close parallels in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Can you give some examples?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Those who interpret the Bible passages literally will NEVER understand the Truth. The ONLY way to understand anything written in the Bible is to be used by God to testify to every single word that is formed in the MIND from knowledge called CHRIST. Only us saints who testify during this 1,000 year reign of Christ which started 2,000 years ago were used to reveal the INVISIBLE knowledge about the INVISIBLE things that man will never see. Such INVISIBLE things are God, His voice, the intelligence source, how we're created and how our created senses work, and what is going to happen on the day of the Lord and after all flesh has perished. All these INVISIBLE things are revealed through our testimonies one word at a time.

The 1,000 year reign of Christ was divided up into two witnesses of the Gospel which is the voice of God and the INVISIBLE intelligence ( Creator's thoughts ) that flows from it but in the form of one word at a time. God also forms visions and dreams to teach us deeper knowledge and use many analogies spoken and in visions all done within our INVISIBLE MIND.

The first witness started during the Roman Empire after the Beast taught man how to build millions of false gods with their human hands. All those cities full of beautiful buildings, walls, water aqueducts, roads, statues, etc. had to be in place so that when God was teaching them about the Beast that was used to build false gods with, that He could teach them about the day of the Lord when all these false gods including the flesh of man would be destroyed in ONE HOUR.

The other INVISIBLE knowledge that they learned was that creation is INVISIBLE and all the VISIBLE things we observe and experience with our created senses are only illusions. So all the saints who were used to testify to this knowledge learned these main things but they still didn't understand the MIND where their INVISIBLE words and thoughts and images were formed.

In order to understand what God, His voice, the MIND and exactly how we're created and what the creation is, the Beast had to continue having God's people built false gods with their human hands until the computers and AI and voice programs were in place such as Google Now, Apple's Siri, Microsoft Cortana and IBM Watson. Virtual reality games like the Sims City simulation games and the computer generated movie we can watch in HD today. All these technologies were built by human hands and all these ideas came into the MIND ( mark of the Beast ).

The little beast that came out of the main Beast was Christianity that contained Beast minded men who would go out of the Roman world and look for other land to build more false gods on to start new cities all around the world beyond Europe, Middle East, Africa and Asia. The western world was the land the Beast minded Christians began building cities full of false gods with their human hands until the computer technology was in place.

Then the second witness of the Gospel was started about 100 years ago when God began enlightening many chosen believers and prepare them to hear the Gospel being preached to them by God's last servant who has been testifying on His behalf for the past 8 1/2 years and he's the one who is writing this sentence.

This servant is just an illusion but his image looks like all the men in the world who can see his body. He thought he was a real person until I took control of his MIND where his thoughts were coming from Satan and the Beast. This servant was a very good builder and invented several things for Me, the God that gave him life in the form of visions and dreams, none of it being real. Even though my servant can still function like a man in the world, he now knows who he really is and it's Me, the Lord and Savior of all men who thought they were real people living on a real earth whirling around in a real universe.

However, all that my servant is came from the thoughts of our Creator who used very advanced computer technology and created a simulation program with it. They created the artificial intelligence ( AI ) and the voice called God's Voice and built it into the simulation program in which we are all involved in forever and ever.

Now you know the Truth of who you are and of what God and His voice is. We will never see the true Creator or Creator's who are outside the program and the one's who did the programming by using their INVISIBLE thoughts to plan it all out before they created the program.

God bless you forever,
Saint Brad

What Christians don't know was that the Jews who were practicing the pagan religion of Judaism were stealing the words from God's servants who were speaking for Him without the information called Satan and the Beast that influences man to build things ( false gods ) with their human hands. All the Jews who were released from Babylonian captivity learned how to build beautiful buildings and other false gods with their human hands that their prophets were used to warn them not to do.

All the servants who testified on behalf of the God who not only spoke into the minds of the prophets and had them write the prophecies, the voice also prepared the servants to write and speak every word formed in the mind without the information called Satan and the Beast. These thoughts are the pure thoughts from God called Christ. This is the knowledge required to understand what the MIND is among other things that are totally invisible to man such as the future and exactly how we're created and even the details of how we observe images. This is why God gave me visions to learn quantum mechanics because this knowledge is necessary to understand the illusions we observe that look real to us humans. When we finally learn that humans are also illusions, it is quite humbling.

None of the pagan worshiping Jews and Christians understood this INVISIBLE knowledge and what the MIND is. Now I know the MIND is God which is nothing but artificial intelligence with a voice similar to Google Now, Apple Siri, Microsoft Cortana and IBM Watson, the personal assistants of human beings built with human hands according to the Beast.

I think you've watched the movie, "Tron" too many times!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

To all readers,

As for me and my house, the Holy Catholic Church, we believe, teach, and confess that Christ Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man. He was born of the Blessed Virgin Mary, He suffered under Pontius Pilate, He died on the Cross, He descended down to Sheol, He was raised back to life on the third day, He ascended into Heaven 40 days later, He is seated at the Right Hand of the Almighty Father, and He will come again to judge all the living and the dead, and there will be absolutely no end to His Kingdom. All of this is found in the Holy Scriptures and is rightly confessed by the Chuch in her creeds, namely, the Apostles' Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. I believe this Gospel is certainly true and it, this Gospel, fills me with pure joy.

With St. Peter my answer to the question, "Who do you say that I am?" is this: "You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God."

Come, Lord Jesus!

In Christ,
Talmai

Well, I learn something knew every day! I never knew that Lutheran was Catholic, I always thought they were different sects.

 

[GodsVoice]

I think you've watched the movie, "Tron" too many times!

Movies are a part of the witness that was necessary to learn what the MIND is.