Who do you think will prove or disprove gods?

[Taylor Seraphim]

How would you know?

Oh, very well -- if you'd prefer a more Hofstadter response, then MU.

Some questions do not have an answer like MU or "How can you make one object two opposites at the same point in time?" but this is not one of them.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

it will be a theologian with a lean to science.

not asking for the position

seems to me....standing up for God can get you crucified

So can standing against the idea of him.

 

[Etritonakin]

Who do you think will prove or disprove the existence of a deity(ies) and why?

It is God's choice to reveal what he will -when he will. God will prove himself and reveal himself when it will do the most good.

Technically, God is everything -but we can only see a small part of everything. God will reveal himself to us in various ways and at various times to accomplish various things.

Christ, for example, was the Word who was with the Father -then was Melchizedek -then was "I AM" before becoming human, and will have a "glorious" body (similar to the one of which Moses saw the back parts) when he returns.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

Isa 40:5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

 

[psychoslice]

I think in time those who believe in god's will themselves stop believing in them, through nothing more than embarrassment.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

It is God's choice to reveal what he will -when he will. God will prove himself and reveal himself when it will do the most good.

Technically, God is everything -but we can only see a small part of everything. God will reveal himself to us in various ways and at various times to accomplish various things.

Christ, for example, was the Word who was with the Father -then was Melchizedek -then was "I AM" before becoming human, and will have a "glorious" body (similar to the one of which Moses saw the back parts) when he returns.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

Isa 40:5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Any evidence.

 

[Etritonakin]

Any evidence.

Human history (successions of kingdoms/empires, outcomes of wars, migrations of specific bloodlines, etc.) from Adam until a thousand years after the return of Christ (and a bit more) is written in quite a bit of detail in the bible -though it is written in such a manner as to require research of some depth. That's a good start.

Much -if not most -of the detail concerns things happening now until Christ returns.

At this point, most would scoff -or say the things written could mean anything,etc., but it is there. I find that to be more of a proof than anything seen or experienced, but few are interested or willing to do the research -even though it would literally allow them to know the future. The immediate future is not pleasant -though what follows will be good for all -but seeing that things are happening as written can then lead one to make better decisions for the long term (keeping the commandments, having faith rather than relying on one's own survival instinct, etc.) and in the short term (avoiding definite hot spots if possible, knowing what is wise and what is futile, etc.) -and perhaps allow nations or individuals to avoid some things written which are conditional.

Some dealt with God more closely than we do, but that in itself didn't accomplish much because we lacked an experience base.

Dealing with God later will be different -because we will be different, and will have the reference of history.

All will eventually have firsthand evidence of God -but God is accomplishing things in a specific order.

 

[outhouse]

Human history (successions of kingdoms/empires, outcomes of wars, migrations of specific bloodlines, etc.) from Adam until a thousand years after the return of Christ (and a bit more) is written in quite a bit of detail in the bible -though it is written in such a manner as to require research of some depth. That's a good start.

None of that is credible historical evidence.

 

[SSDSSDSSD3]

Human history (successions of kingdoms/empires, outcomes of wars, migrations of specific bloodlines, etc.) from Adam until a thousand years after the return of Christ (and a bit more) is written in quite a bit of detail in the bible -though it is written in such a manner as to require research of some depth. That's a good start.

Much -if not most -of the detail concerns things happening now until Christ returns.

At this point, most would scoff -or say the things written could mean anything,etc., but it is there. I find that to be more of a proof than anything seen or experienced, but few are interested or willing to do the research -even though it would literally allow them to know the future. The immediate future is not pleasant -though what follows will be good for all -but seeing that things are happening as written can then lead one to make better decisions for the long term (keeping the commandments, having faith rather than relying on one's own survival instinct, etc.) and in the short term (avoiding definite hot spots if possible, knowing what is wise and what is futile, etc.) -and perhaps allow nations or individuals to avoid some things written which are conditional.

Some dealt with God more closely than we do, but that in itself didn't accomplish much because we lacked an experience base.

Dealing with God later will be different -because we will be different, and will have the reference of history.

All will eventually have firsthand evidence of God -but God is accomplishing things in a specific order.

Your implying Abrahamic Faiths are true, to those who don't believe in those faiths you're entire logic is not very true. (Can we imagine if a Hindu claimed the same logic of one of their Gods or Goddesses being the first creature?)

 

[Ouroboros]

Who do you think will prove or disprove the existence of a deity(ies) and why?

Deities is something a person believes in, not something that we objectively have proof of. Part of reason is that what one person calls a deity, the other call something else. One person consider a rock to have divine attributes, and the next person does not. So the exact definition of what a deity is, isn't always that easy to pin down. If everyone could agree to an exact definition, then it would become easier to find some scientific way of establish its existence/non-existence as a fact.

 

[Akivah]

True, but some hold up to even cursory examination better than others. Breatharians are an example of what I mean, I guess.

I had to google that.

I'd say those that believe in something with specific tangible benefits during their lives will have a tougher time with their beliefs, than those that believe in benefits that will be received in the afterlife.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Human history (successions of kingdoms/empires, outcomes of wars, migrations of specific bloodlines, etc.) from Adam until a thousand years after the return of Christ (and a bit more) is written in quite a bit of detail in the bible -though it is written in such a manner as to require research of some depth. That's a good start.

Much -if not most -of the detail concerns things happening now until Christ returns.

At this point, most would scoff -or say the things written could mean anything,etc., but it is there. I find that to be more of a proof than anything seen or experienced, but few are interested or willing to do the research -even though it would literally allow them to know the future. The immediate future is not pleasant -though what follows will be good for all -but seeing that things are happening as written can then lead one to make better decisions for the long term (keeping the commandments, having faith rather than relying on one's own survival instinct, etc.) and in the short term (avoiding definite hot spots if possible, knowing what is wise and what is futile, etc.) -and perhaps allow nations or individuals to avoid some things written which are conditional.

Some dealt with God more closely than we do, but that in itself didn't accomplish much because we lacked an experience base.

Dealing with God later will be different -because we will be different, and will have the reference of history.

All will eventually have firsthand evidence of God -but God is accomplishing things in a specific order.

Incorrect, many of these stories are set in real places but no other sources describe this.

Should I assume that any story that uses our world as a setting is true?

 

[Milton Platt]

Who do you think will prove or disprove the existence of a deity(ies) and why?

You cannot prove a negative. It is necessary for someone who claims their god exists to demonstrate that it does....which so far has not been done.

[edit] Well, what I mean is if they wish others to believe it exists they have to demonstrate its existence....if they keep it to themselves, it does not matter one way or another.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

You cannot prove a negative. It is necessary for someone who claims their god exists to demonstrate that it does....which so far has not been done.

[edit] Well, what I mean is if they wish others to believe it exists they have to demonstrate its existence....if they keep it to themselves, it does not matter one way or another.

I agree, I am just trying to see people's perspectives.

 

[Thief]

None of that is credible historical evidence.

still thumping that history book?

you know....all you can do about God..... is think

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

still thumping that history book?

you know....all you can do about God..... is think

And that is how many become atheist and agnostics.

 

[Thief]

And that is how many become atheist and agnostics.

while ignoring the entirety of the universe and the science of it

motion does not self start

if the initial 'bang' had been simple expansion it would have been
one pulse of an energy
an ever expanding hollow shell

that is not what we see when we look up

the sin of it all....the rotation, spirals, orbits.....
all indication.....

God pinched that singularity between His fingers and gave it a .....'snap'

not a bang

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

while ignoring the entirety of the universe and the science of it

I thought we where talking about secularist not theist.

motion does not self start

I agree.

if the initial 'bang' had been simple expansion it would have been
one pulse of an energy
an ever expanding hollow shell

No it would not have, do you have any evidence that it would behave that way?

that is not what we see when we look up

the sin of it all....the rotation, spirals, orbits.....
all indication.....

The sin of it all?

Is rotating a sin?

God pinched that singularity between His fingers and gave it a .....'snap'

not a bang

Any evidence?

 

[Thief]

oooops......a typo.....I just hate typos....

the spin of it all

and motion is not self starting
the singularity needed the 'snap'
and the rotation would need to be there BEFORE the 'snap' expands

 

[Maponos]

You can't prove or disprove deities and there's no point in trying to prove or disprove them (unless the gods themselves wish to make themselves known to you).

 

[outhouse]

You can't prove or disprove deities and there's no point in trying to prove or disprove them (unless the gods themselves wish to make themselves known to you).

Sure you can. You can show their mythological roots and how only man crated them.