Who gave Jesus all authority in Heaven and Earth?

[Unveiled Artist]

Forgive my lack of scripture knowledge, but isn't that the exact reason the Jews

God is not three separate [persons].




God is One, i.e. undivided, insurmountable.




The ancients, prophets notwithstanding, all had the same problem with dividing God into personages. Compare Deuteronomy 32:39 with Isaiah 37:20, for example. The author of Deuteronomy was momentarily able to acknowledge God as God, in that His control of Heaven and Earth are absolute, in His hand. Isaiah backpedals in that regard, relegating earthly control to that of a nationalist adversary. The same stumbling block exists in the "god of this World" idea (which also accompanied Zeroatrianism.)



They tried to combat this by reiterating that "God is One", even reinforcing with the idea that all things in Heaven and Earth are in "His hand", but also constantly receded into the natural delusion which says that "Ye are gods, sons of the Most High."




If you recall, Jesus brought this to the attention of the Pharisees and others of his time. It is true that we perceive ourselves as sons of God, and by relation, gods and judges ourselves. But, we are not gods. Instead, it was revealed: "Judge not, lest you be judged," and "The Father Himself judges no one..." God knows all things, and therefore judgement can only be considered an obvious redundancy to the Creation narrative. The Father does not judge the Son; He knows him.


Not only Jesus, but the Son of Man, is the manifestation of the Father; the Father's Holy Spirit; the Father's Word in flesh and blood.

Once you make the Father flesh, he is no longer the Father. His identity may mirror or represent the father but he is no longer his father for the reason the father has no flesh. There is no manefestation (according to scripture) of the father. Jesus is the "representation" of his father.

When you represent or be in the image of someone, you do not become that person regardless if it is "called" a manefestation or a literal person. The fact is representation and image of keeps the source separate from what the representative or image is the representative or image of.

Jesus can be the manfestation of his father.
He can have the spirit of his father
He could have the same nature of his father

Of-being a key term.

But the fact that of is used, it automatically one separates Jesus from his father because he is flesh

Another reason it separtes Jesus as a separate person (again lack of a better word) than his father is the use of the word "image of"'

It is English grammar not metaphysics. Unless there is another definition trinitarians use outside the bibe, the prepositions will always separate the Father from Jesus.

When you make Jesus a manefestiation of the Father (sounds sci-fi imo) you make it more pagan. A spirit becoming a person.

That's not scripture. It's pretty blunt. Maybe the Church put the metayphysics in, as so I hear and read.

If they did and you are right that it is in the Bible, remember the Church put the Bible together. But they didnt define Jesus as the Father. Unless Christianity is Romanized?

I say that because the Jews definitely dont see Jesus as god and knew this in the NT. Unless Christians are calling Jews liers? That would mean most of the OT would contradict what Jesus referred to himself and his father in the new.

 

[Tina57]

God gave it to him.
Douay vss Phil 2:6 - 9
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to BE EQUAL WITH GOD. But emptied himself taking the form of a servant being made in the likeness of men and in habit found as a man. He humbled himself becoming obedient unto death. ....For which cause, God also hath EXALTED him and hath given him a name which is above all names.

 

[Zigzangle]

God gave it to him.
Douay vss Phil 2:6 - 9
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to BE EQUAL WITH GOD. But emptied himself taking the form of a servant being made in the likeness of men and in habit found as a man. He humbled himself becoming obedient unto death. ....For which cause, God also hath EXALTED him and hath given him a name which is above all names.

Gods are not equal to humans, they are subservient to us as humans created them.

 

[Trichakra]

I believe that we gave it to him.

You mean he is not god?

 

[Blessed of JEHOVAH]

Some say Jesus is God. It is written that Jesus received all authority in Heaven and on Earth.

WHO gave it to him?

 

[psychoslice]

Those who believe in him and wrote the story about him gave him the authority.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You know, the funny thing is, ancient gods used to be more local, at most regional, affairs. As no one knew of the "whole planet", no one considered anything outside of their general range when it came to describing what gods and goddesses did or didn't do.

 

[Blessed of JEHOVAH]

Psalms 83 : 18 May people know that you whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. (Some people say Yahweh , but it shows that God Almighty( the Father ) has a separate name from Jesus ( the Son ).

Exodus 6 : 2 - 3 ; 2 ) Then God said to Moses : '' I am Jehovah. 3) And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them. ( This is where Jehovah introduced himself to Moses if there isn't a name there then someones trying to hide something. If Gods name is known you start to see that the Father and Son are two separate entities. The story of the bible starts of with a father who always was and never needed to be created who created a son with his own hands and everything that is was designed by the Father and built by the Son the master builder.)

Daniel 7 : 9 - 14 ''I kept watching until thrones were set in place and the Ancient of days sat down. His clothing was white like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire.10) A stream of fire was flowing and going out from before him. A thousand thousands kept ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The Court took its seat, and books were opened. 11) ''I kept watching at that time because of the sound of the arrogant words that the horn was speaking; I watched until the beast was killed and it's body was destroyed and it was given over to be burned in the fire. 12) But as for the rest of the beasts, their rulerships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season. 13) ''I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heaven, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of days, and they brought him up close before that One. 14) And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed. (The ancient of Days is Jehovah God and the son of man is Jesus.)

 

[Iti oj]

Some say Jesus is God. It is written that Jesus received all authority in Heaven and on Earth.

WHO gave it to him?

No one Jesus is God and always had it.

 

[Kemosloby]

Some say Jesus is God. It is written that Jesus received all authority in Heaven and on Earth.

WHO gave it to him?

God the Father gave authority to God the Son. There are two Gods, that are one in a metaphorical sense. Just as Christ says those who believe in him will be one with him, and sit with him on his throne.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Psalms 83 : 18 May people know that you whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. (Some people say Yahweh , but it shows that God Almighty( the Father ) has a separate name from Jesus ( the Son ).

You are correct, God has a separate name from the "human" Son Jesus. Before He came to earth as a "human" they were the same,

Isaiah 44:6 (ESV Strong's) 6 Thus says the Lord [Jehovah], the King of Israel "and" his Redeemer, the Lord [Jehovah] of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

Are there "TWO" Jehovah of armies? All thru the OT God is called the "Jehovah of armies" but that verse says, "Jehovah "AND" His redeemer, "THE" Jehovah of armies"!

Jehovah said, "I am the first and the last", are there "TWO" firsts and lasts?

Revelation 1:17-18 (ESV Strong's) 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

And "the living one", hmmm, wonder what He meant by that?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Some say Jesus is God. It is written that Jesus received all authority in Heaven and on Earth.

WHO gave it to him?

Emperor Constantine.

 

[Kemosloby]

1 Corinthians 15;27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

Clearly two Gods, But perhaps he's saying I am the First and the Last to clear up any confusion between the Lord of Israel who spoke to Moses and Jesus the Redeemer. That the God who spoke to Moses was Christ before he came in the flesh. The first and the last. And God the Father hasn't been around at all and isn't even brought into the equation. Christ says no one has ever seen the Father but the Son.

 

[Tumah]

The ancients, prophets notwithstanding, all had the same problem with dividing God into personages. Compare Deuteronomy 32:39 with Isaiah 37:20, for example. The author of Deuteronomy was momentarily able to acknowledge God as God, in that His control of Heaven and Earth are absolute, in His hand. Isaiah backpedals in that regard, relegating earthly control to that of a nationalist adversary. The same stumbling block exists in the "god of this World" idea (which also accompanied Zeroatrianism.)

I don't agree with your interpretation. There's a difference between the fact that electricity is what makes your blender work and showing how when you turn off the electricity in your house, the blender doesn't work. Deuteronomy is a statement about existence. That's how it is. Isaiah is a prayer that G-d show that its a fact through saving His people.

They tried to combat this by reiterating that "God is One", even reinforcing with the idea that all things in Heaven and Earth are in "His hand", but also constantly receded into the natural delusion which says that "Ye are gods, sons of the Most High."

I think this is a translation issue. The word elohim doesn't literally translate to "god". The word is used in a number of cases where this translation simply doesn't fit the context. Rather, I think a more accurate translation would be "force". This is reflected in the nature of the pantheons of the day which were all figures representing the various forces of nature. It also is has a broad enough meaning to include its usage by judges and Moses. Judges have the power over a persons wealth and life. In Jewish theology, the various forces of G-d are manifested in His angels. You are familiar with some of these ideas: the healing of G-d, the might of G-d, the light of G-d, etc. So the name "forces" is appropriate for them, as it is used in Psa. 82:6.
The word "son" in Biblical Hebrew has a much broader meaning than "son" as well. An example of that is the "sons of the prophets" in 2 Kings which refers to prophets in training. When we speak about people that live in a house we say, "sons of the home".
When I read Psa. 82:6-7, I understand it as saying, "[Asaf says in the name of G-d] I said, you are angels and you all dwell in the most high (ie. heaven). Yet you will die like men and like one of the officers you will fall." This is referring to Isa. 24:21, where G-d judges the hosts of Heaven (ie. the angels).

 

[Blessed of JEHOVAH]

You are correct, God has a separate name from the "human" Son Jesus. Before He came to earth as a "human" they were the same,

Isaiah 44:6 (ESV Strong's) 6 Thus says the Lord [Jehovah], the King of Israel "and" his Redeemer, the Lord [Jehovah] of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

Are there "TWO" Jehovah of armies? All thru the OT God is called the "Jehovah of armies" but that verse says, "Jehovah "AND" His redeemer, "THE" Jehovah of armies"!

Jehovah said, "I am the first and the last", are there "TWO" firsts and lasts?

Revelation 1:17-18 (ESV Strong's) 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

And "the living one", hmmm, wonder what He meant by that?

 

[Blessed of JEHOVAH]

There's only one Jehovah when you search the scriptures enough you always come to the right conclusion. The scriptures interpret themselves. When i see this scripture it reminds me of that. 2 Corinthians 13 : 1) This is the third time I am coming to you. '' On the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter must be established.'' ) I look at the scriptures as witnesses of each other. Deuteronomy 6 : 4) ''Listen O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.) 1 Corinthians 8 : 6 there is actually to us one God, the father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

In Revelation 1 : 17 & 18 it's Jesus who is speaking if you go some verses up at verse 13 it states and in the midst of the lampstands someone like a son of man, clothed in a garment that reached down to the feet and wearing a golden sash around his chest. (The son of man is Jesus because He was the final sacrifice the one who bought us back what Adam lost.)

 

[djhwoodwerks]

There's only one Jehovah when you search the scriptures enough you always come to the right conclusion. The scriptures interpret themselves. When i see this scripture it reminds me of that. 2 Corinthians 13 : 1) This is the third time I am coming to you. '' On the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter must be established.'' ) I look at the scriptures as witnesses of each other. Deuteronomy 6 : 4) ''Listen O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.) 1 Corinthians 8 : 6 there is actually to us one God, the father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

In Revelation 1 : 17 & 18 it's Jesus who is speaking if you go some verses up at verse 13 it states and in the midst of the lampstands someone like a son of man, clothed in a garment that reached down to the feet and wearing a golden sash around his chest. (The son of man is Jesus because He was the final sacrifice the one who bought us back what Adam lost.)

Correct, only "one" Jehovah, so in Isaiah when "Jehovah" said,

Isaiah 44:6 (ESV Strong's) 6 Thus says Jehovah, the King of Israel "and" his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

How many Jehovahs are being referred to? If it is one, then Jehovah, the King of Israel AND His redeemer, Jehovah of hosts, must be that one Jehovah.

 

[Blessed of JEHOVAH]

Correct, only "one" Jehovah, so in Isaiah when "Jehovah" said,

Isaiah 44:6 (ESV Strong's) 6 Thus says Jehovah, the King of Israel "and" his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

How many Jehovahs are being referred to? If it is one, then Jehovah, the King of Israel AND His redeemer, Jehovah of hosts, must be that one Jehovah.

 

[Blessed of JEHOVAH]

Notice right after that he says besides me there is no God. He is the first and last God there will ever be he has no end, and he had no beginning he always was.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Notice right after that he says besides me there is no God. He is the first and last God there will ever be he has no end, and he had no beginning he always was.

Let's look at your comment, you said,

"Notice right after that he says besides me there is no God", but what does it "Really" say?

Isaiah 44:6 (ESV Strong's) “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

Do you see the difference? When you read that verse you see "G"od, but it actually says "g"od, "there is no "g"od besides Me.

Since there is no "g"od besides "G"od, then Jesus can't be a "g"od, like witnesses claim, which I just noticed you claim you are. Which explains your response to my post,

Correct, only "one" Jehovah, so in Isaiah when "Jehovah" said,

Isaiah 44:6 (ESV Strong's) 6 Thus says Jehovah, the King of Israel "and" his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

How many Jehovahs are being referred to? If it is one, then Jehovah, the King of Israel AND His redeemer, Jehovah of hosts, must be that one Jehovah.