why would you want to associate with those who hold views that are diametrically opposed to your own....and basically insult everything you hold dear?
Why are you insulted by those who disagree with you? I'm not. You and I seem to disagree on just about anything we discuss, but I am not insulted by your opinions. Don't you consider our faceless, long-distance interaction an association?
I can love my children without loving who they choose to become.
But you just said that you wouldn't want to associate with those with whom you disagree. How does one love one's children when she doesn't want to associate with them and is insulted by who they are?
And here we see the elevation of those in the science community suggesting that those who question science must be some kind of uneducated morons.
Creationists who question only the science that contradicts their religious beliefs are not highly regarded. I don't consider you a moron even though you know almost no science.
Apparently, science is a substitute for religion to some.
Many people have no need of religion or worshiping. Science is something to respect, not revere. It is merely a tool for understanding how the world works. Unlike religions, it doesn't attempt to tell you how to live or where you'll go after death.
the other side of the tragic story is always about the "innocent victim" being badly treated by the ones who should have overlooked or ignored their unchristian actions.
Why are they so hard to overlook? Tolerance is a core value in my worldview, but doesn't seem to have much place in yours. You write a lot about compliance, obedience, and disciplining. I'm not really interested in disciplining others except where I have a responsibility to, as with young children and pets, and even there, I don't like doing it. Self-discipline is a virtue, but that is something different.
I am happy to report that my family members who left, returned and are now happier than they have ever been.
How can they be happy when there is suffering in the world? Isn't that what you ask me when I tell you that I am happy, which happiness you interpret as selfish indifference to the plight of others less fortunate? I guess if you're a Jehovah's Witness, then being happy isn't the character flaw that you condemn in others.
If you want to operate by your own rules, then don't come to us
Deal. I do operate by my own rules, and wouldn't turn that right over to many, much less strangers.
Christendom will welcome you, and your money with open arms.
And if you're willing to submit to the Jehovah's Witnesses expectations for your life, they will welcome you and gladly deposit your money with open arms.
They don't shun him, but they don't seek him out for company either.
And what's the difference? If he seeks their company, will it be offered?
All the sob stories we hear on the net are always from the "victim"....they are only "victims" if they make themselves out to be such.
Like when you discuss how it is a badge of honor to be the victims of prejudice against your church.
The only "control" exercised in the congregation is over those who have no self control.
Not according to @RedhorseWoman and others. Your psychology and writing indicate that the church that informed it is also authoritarian. It is very different from say @adrian009 's and @Tony Bristow-Stagg 's , or mine. Some people prefer structure like that. Such people might be receptive to having careers in the military. Others find such environments excessively restrictive.
It has been my experience with those who suffer with mental health issues who sometimes leave over delusional thinking and people often avoid those ones because they don't know how to interact with the mentally ill at all.
That doesn't sound very loving.
To serve God together with your mate is something I always longed to do, but I was married before I met Jehovah's Witnesses. I was grateful that my husband's initial opposition turned to acceptance once he allowed himself to see past our opposer's lies and allowed my brothers to speak for themselves. Though he never became a JW, he always welcomed the Witnesses into our home like family. He was not a spiritual person.
You recently asked me why would one love the world if it is passing away. Doesn't your faith teach that because your husband is not with the Jehovah's witnesses, that he will not see paradise? How does that work when it's your husband?
God will not interfere with our choices
Of course He won't. He never does, just like a nonexistent god.
How many times have you written that your god will not intervene in some matter or other? Isn't that what we would expect if this god didn't exist? How many times have I asked you about that? Whatever the number, it's exactly the same as the number of times you have evaded commenting about it - about a half dozen
Jesus' baptism was a presenting of himself to do God's will first, rather than his own.
So even Jesus is not allowed to think or make decisions for himself?
The god you worship is not the God I worship.
I like their god better. If I had to pick one to worship, it would be a kind and gentle god of my own making. Why not? Faith lets one decide such things.
I understand that others might not agree with what we do, it makes no difference to us.
The objections would be about what you do to yourselves, not outsiders. As long as a denomination doesn't try to control my life or impose its values on me, I have no complaint with it.
Its not a case of being "above" anyone. If you have a conviction that your faith is the true faith, and others are headed for an adverse judgment, then you are under obligation to share it with as many as you can.
But that is not the complaint. It's the attitude of aloofness and superiority. You feel superior to me. Why else would you depict and judge me so uncharitably?
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