Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
You know you have to really "show" the whole verse or chapter for transparency. As you could see Isaiah used the pronoun "he, him, his" to depict Jesus and pronoun "our, thier, we" to depict Israel - plurality of people It is pretty obvious Now, Jesus is an Israelite and was a Jew. You used Isa 53 and I will show this below:
According to whom, when Isaiah used "he, him and his" was to depict Jesus, you or the NT? Christian preconceived notions are so powerful on you that you cannot understand that Isaiah 53 is talking about the Suffering Servant of the Lord. Evidence of the fact that the Servant of the Lord is Israel is in Isaiah 41:8,9; and 44:1,2,21. Now, if you read Psalms 44:11-27, all that Isaiah spoke under "he, him, and his" is explained to be "we, us and our." But what's the use? You can read but you cannot act without the dictating power of Christian preconceived notions. Pity!
Everybody knows this is the Lord Jesus Christ - in red And the people of his generation and this latter times - in blue. These things happened to Jesus Christ and not to Israel. Maybe you should check with your Rabbi
Every body who, for instance, you or the NT? What did you expect? To vandalize the Tanach aka the gospel of Jesus with the things of Christianity has ben in the Christian agenda since its founder Paul of Tarsus if you read Acts 11:26. Are you sure these things did not happen with Israel? MJ Flores, I have something to tell you even in the wish-thinking that the power of Christian preconceived notions will release you for a minute. The six million Jews who lost their lives in the Holocaust wish they had
suffered what Jesus went through during so short a time if they had a choice. Please, show some
Isaiah 53 New International Version (NIV) Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? He grew up before him like a tender shoot and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their face he was despised, and we held him in low esteem. Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. By oppression and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished. He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Now, please, read Psalms 44:11-27.understanding of human suffering! Just some thing else. When HaShem said, "ISRAEL is My Son, let Him go that HE may serve Me." (Exodus 4:22,23) Where did HaShem say, "Jesus is My son?" At least you can see now that Israel is addressed as "He". Are you allowed to take that much without contradicting the demands of Christian preconceived notions? I hope so! Last but not least, try to understand that the prophecy is Jewish by a Jewish prophet in the Jewish Scriptures and a Jew is the one today doing the interpretation. Can you figure the difference between all this done by a Jew and the same by a Christian member of an anti-Jewish religion? Can you see the
obviousness of the Logic?
Last edited: