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Who is God Almighty?

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
You know you have to really "show" the whole verse or chapter for transparency. As you could see Isaiah used the pronoun "he, him, his" to depict Jesus and pronoun "our, thier, we" to depict Israel - plurality of people It is pretty obvious Now, Jesus is an Israelite and was a Jew. You used Isa 53 and I will show this below:

According to whom, when Isaiah used "he, him and his" was to depict Jesus, you or the NT? Christian preconceived notions are so powerful on you that you cannot understand that Isaiah 53 is talking about the Suffering Servant of the Lord. Evidence of the fact that the Servant of the Lord is Israel is in Isaiah 41:8,9; and 44:1,2,21. Now, if you read Psalms 44:11-27, all that Isaiah spoke under "he, him, and his" is explained to be "we, us and our." But what's the use? You can read but you cannot act without the dictating power of Christian preconceived notions. Pity!

Everybody knows this is the Lord Jesus Christ - in red And the people of his generation and this latter times - in blue. These things happened to Jesus Christ and not to Israel. Maybe you should check with your Rabbi

Every body who, for instance, you or the NT? What did you expect? To vandalize the Tanach aka the gospel of Jesus with the things of Christianity has ben in the Christian agenda since its founder Paul of Tarsus if you read Acts 11:26. Are you sure these things did not happen with Israel? MJ Flores, I have something to tell you even in the wish-thinking that the power of Christian preconceived notions will release you for a minute. The six million Jews who lost their lives in the Holocaust wish they had
suffered what Jesus went through during so short a time if they had a choice. Please, show some

Isaiah 53 New International Version (NIV) Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? He grew up before him like a tender shoot and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their face he was despised, and we held him in low esteem. Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. By oppression and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished. He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Now, please, read Psalms 44:11-27.understanding of human suffering! Just some thing else. When HaShem said, "ISRAEL is My Son, let Him go that HE may serve Me." (Exodus 4:22,23) Where did HaShem say, "Jesus is My son?" At least you can see now that Israel is addressed as "He". Are you allowed to take that much without contradicting the demands of Christian preconceived notions? I hope so! Last but not least, try to understand that the prophecy is Jewish by a Jewish prophet in the Jewish Scriptures and a Jew is the one today doing the interpretation. Can you figure the difference between all this done by a Jew and the same by a Christian member of an anti-Jewish religion? Can you see the
obviousness of the Logic?
 
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psychoslice

Veteran Member
I personally don't believe in a god almighty, it sound silly to me, all that there is is God, including us, there is no almighty, there is just what is, to call it almighty is to put yourself down and needing to crawl to that which we already are.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
I personally don't believe in a god almighty, it sound silly to me, all that there is is God, including us, there is no almighty, there is just what is, to call it almighty is to put yourself down and needing to crawl to that which we already are.


"Almighty" is due to the fact that the Primal Cause caused the Universe to exist. "God Almighty" is just a title to describe the power of the Primal Cause. Anyways, you don't believe It and that's your position. I respect your position if you can explain to us what or who caused the Universe to exist. If you can't, I do not understand how you can so easily discard the Creator when you and all of us are eyewitness of the things created.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
"Almighty" is due to the fact that the Primal Cause caused the Universe to exist. "God Almighty" is just a title to describe the power of the Primal Cause. Anyways, you don't believe It and that's your position. I respect your position if you can explain to us what or who caused the Universe to exist. If you can't, I do not understand how you can so easily discard the Creator when you and all of us are eyewitness of the things created.

Wow @Ben Avraham any more verse proving the Lord Jesus is the Messiah? You seemed to be an expert on this.

You quote Isa 41? I know this!

Isaiah 41 New International Version (NIV)

“Be silent before me, you islands!
Let the nations renew their strength!
Let them come forward and speak;
let us meet together at the place of judgment.
“Who has stirred up one from the east,
calling him in righteousness to his service?
He hands nations over to him
and subdues kings before him.
He turns them to dust with his sword,
to windblown chaff with his bow.
He pursues them and moves on unscathed,
by a path his feet have not traveled before.
Who has done this and carried it through,
calling forth the generations from the beginning?
I, the Lord—with the first of them
and with the last—I am he.”
The islands [Island groups of the Philippines - Wikipedia ] have seen it and fear;
the ends of the earth tremble.
They approach and come forward;
they help each other
and say to their companions, “Be strong!”
The metalworker encourages the goldsmith,
and the one who smooths with the hammer
spurs on the one who strikes the anvil.
One says of the welding, “It is good.”
The other nails down the idol so it will not topple.
“But you, Israel, my servant,
Jacob, whom I have chosen,
you descendants of Abraham my friend,
I took you from the ends of the earth,
from its farthest corners I called you.
I said, ‘You are my servant’;

I have chosen you and have not rejected you.
So do not fear, for I am with you;
do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you and help you;
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
“All who rage against you
will surely be ashamed and disgraced;
those who oppose you
will be as nothing and perish.
Though you search for your enemies,
you will not find them.
Those who wage war against you
will be as nothing at all.
For I am the Lord your God
who takes hold of your right hand
and says to you, Do not fear;
I will help you.
Do not be afraid, you worm Jacob,
little Israel, do not fear,
for I myself will help you,” declares the Lord,
your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
“See, I will make you into a threshing sledge,
new and sharp, with many teeth.
You will thresh the mountains and crush them,
and reduce the hills to chaff.
You will winnow them, the wind will pick them up,
and a gale will blow them away.
But you will rejoice in the Lord
and glory in the Holy One of Israel.
“The poor and needy search for water,
but there is none;
their tongues are parched with thirst.
But I the Lord will answer them;
I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them.
I will make rivers flow on barren heights,
and springs within the valleys.
I will turn the desert into pools of water,
and the parched ground into springs.
I will put in the desert
the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive.
I will set junipers in the wasteland,
the fir and the cypress together,
so that people may see and know,
may consider and understand,
that the hand of the Lord has done this,
that the Holy One of Israel has created it.
“Present your case,” says the Lord.
“Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King.
“Tell us, you idols,
what is going to happen.
Tell us what the former things were,
so that we may consider them
and know their final outcome.
Or declare to us the things to come,
tell us what the future holds,
so we may know that you are gods.
Do something, whether good or bad,
so that we will be dismayed and filled with fear.
But you are less than nothing
and your works are utterly worthless;
whoever chooses you is detestable.
“I have stirred up one from the north, and he comes—
one from the rising sun who calls on my name.
He treads on rulers as if they were mortar,
as if he were a potter treading the clay.
Who told of this from the beginning, so we could know,
or beforehand, so we could say, ‘He was right’?
No one told of this,
no one foretold it,
no one heard any words from you.
I was the first to tell Zion, ‘Look, here they are!’
I gave to Jerusalem a messenger of good news.
I look but there is no one—
no one among the gods to give counsel,
no one to give answer when I ask them.
See, they are all false!
Their deeds amount to nothing;
their images are but wind and confusion.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Wow @Ben Avraham any more verse proving the Lord Jesus is the Messiah? You seemed to be an expert on this.

You quote Isa 41? I know this!

Isaiah 41 New International Version (NIV)

“Be silent before me, you islands!
Let the nations renew their strength!
Let them come forward and speak;
let us meet together at the place of judgment.
“Who has stirred up one from the east,
calling him in righteousness to his service?
He hands nations over to him
and subdues kings before him.
He turns them to dust with his sword,
to windblown chaff with his bow.
He pursues them and moves on unscathed,
by a path his feet have not traveled before.
Who has done this and carried it through,
calling forth the generations from the beginning?
I, the Lord—with the first of them
and with the last—I am he.”
The islands [Island groups of the Philippines - Wikipedia ] have seen it and fear;
the ends of the earth tremble.
They approach and come forward;
they help each other
and say to their companions, “Be strong!”
The metalworker encourages the goldsmith,
and the one who smooths with the hammer
spurs on the one who strikes the anvil.
One says of the welding, “It is good.”
The other nails down the idol so it will not topple.
“But you, Israel, my servant,
Jacob, whom I have chosen,
you descendants of Abraham my friend,
I took you from the ends of the earth,
from its farthest corners I called you.
I said, ‘You are my servant’;

I have chosen you and have not rejected you.
So do not fear, for I am with you;
do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you and help you;
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
“All who rage against you
will surely be ashamed and disgraced;
those who oppose you
will be as nothing and perish.
Though you search for your enemies,
you will not find them.
Those who wage war against you
will be as nothing at all.
For I am the Lord your God
who takes hold of your right hand
and says to you, Do not fear;
I will help you.
Do not be afraid, you worm Jacob,
little Israel, do not fear,
for I myself will help you,” declares the Lord,
your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
“See, I will make you into a threshing sledge,
new and sharp, with many teeth.
You will thresh the mountains and crush them,
and reduce the hills to chaff.
You will winnow them, the wind will pick them up,
and a gale will blow them away.
But you will rejoice in the Lord
and glory in the Holy One of Israel.
“The poor and needy search for water,
but there is none;
their tongues are parched with thirst.
But I the Lord will answer them;
I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them.
I will make rivers flow on barren heights,
and springs within the valleys.
I will turn the desert into pools of water,
and the parched ground into springs.
I will put in the desert
the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive.
I will set junipers in the wasteland,
the fir and the cypress together,
so that people may see and know,
may consider and understand,
that the hand of the Lord has done this,
that the Holy One of Israel has created it.
“Present your case,” says the Lord.
“Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King.
“Tell us, you idols,
what is going to happen.
Tell us what the former things were,
so that we may consider them
and know their final outcome.
Or declare to us the things to come,
tell us what the future holds,
so we may know that you are gods.
Do something, whether good or bad,
so that we will be dismayed and filled with fear.
But you are less than nothing
and your works are utterly worthless;
whoever chooses you is detestable.
“I have stirred up one from the north, and he comes—
one from the rising sun who calls on my name.
He treads on rulers as if they were mortar,
as if he were a potter treading the clay.
Who told of this from the beginning, so we could know,
or beforehand, so we could say, ‘He was right’?
No one told of this,
no one foretold it,
no one heard any words from you.
I was the first to tell Zion, ‘Look, here they are!’
I gave to Jerusalem a messenger of good news.
I look but there is no one—
no one among the gods to give counsel,
no one to give answer when I ask them.
See, they are all false!
Their deeds amount to nothing;
their images are but wind and confusion.

I did not quote the whole chapter 41 of Isaiah but only 41:8,9 as well as 44:1,2,21. My point was to prove the Servant of the Lord in Isaiah 53 who is identified as Israel. That's all. You did not have to copy the whole chapter. I have noticed here that people don't like to read long posts and I don't blame them. I also quoted Habakkuk 3:13 to demonstrate that the Messiah is Israel. "The Lord goes forth
to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That't what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel the Son of God if you read Exodus 4:22,23.
 
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djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Jesus never once said, "I am the Son of God" either.

I see what you're saying but when you think about it there is no sure way for you or me to know all that Jesus ever said or did.

Why is that a one way street with witnesses? Every witness I tell that Jesus never once said, "I am the Son of God" they always say, "we don't know everything that Jesus ever said." But then they, and you, say with confidence,

If Jesus never even once claimed that he was God Almighty or that he should be worshipped,

Why is that? How can you tell me, "there is no sure way for you or me to know all that Jesus ever said" then say as FACT that Jesus NEVER claimed to be Almighty God?
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
I did not quote the whole chapter 41 of Isaiah but only 41:8,9 as well as 44:1,2,21. My point was to prove the Servant of the Lord in Isaiah 53 who is identified as Israel. That's all. You did not have to copy the whole chapter. I have noticed here that people don't like to read long posts and I don't blame them. I also quoted Habakkuk 3:13 to demonstrate that the Messiah is Israel. "The Lord goes forth
to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That't what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel the Son of God if you read Exodus 4:22,23.

Isa 41 is about the Church of Christ

Isa 44 is about ancient Israel and idols

Isa 53 is about Jesus Christ - as I have pointed out in blue and red with a video about the Passions of The Christ

Habakkuk 3 is the prayer of the prophet Habakkuk

Exo 4 is about Moses and ancient Israel as the first born
But who is the firstborn of all creation?
Colossians 1:15 New International Version (NIV)
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Jeremiah 31:31-32 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
This is what the Lord said, “The time is coming when I will make a new agreement with the family of Israel and with the family of Judah. It will not be like the agreement I made with their ancestors. I made that agreement when I took them by the hand and brought them out of Egypt. I was their master, but they broke that agreement.” This message is from the Lord.

That is why the Lord Jesus Christ was sent for the new covenant. The old covenant is no more. The Israelite Christ (the Son of God - the man who heard the truth from God) introduced the new covenant purchased the Church with his own blood.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Isa 41 is about the Church of Christ. Isa 44 is about ancient Israel and idols Isa 53 is about Jesus Christ - as I have pointed out in blue and red with a video about the Passions of The Christ Habakkuk 3 is the prayer of the prophet Habakkuk

Exo 4 is about Moses and ancient Israel as the first born But who is the firstborn of all creation? Colossians 1:15 New International Version (NIV) The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Jeremiah 31:31-32 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) This is what the Lord said, “The time is coming when I will make a new agreement with the family of Israel and with the family of Judah. It will not be like the agreement I made with their ancestors. I made that agreement when I took them by the hand and brought them out of Egypt. I was their master, but they broke that agreement.” This message is from the Lord.

That is why the Lord Jesus Christ was sent for the new covenant. The old covenant is no more. The Israelite Christ (the Son of God - the man who heard the truth from God) introduced the new covenant purchased the Church with his own blood.

Too bad but, at least you are an expert at Replacement Theology which means vandalism of the Tanach aka the gospel of Jesus with the Hellenistic doctrines of the NT.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
"Almighty" is due to the fact that the Primal Cause caused the Universe to exist. "God Almighty" is just a title to describe the power of the Primal Cause. Anyways, you don't believe It and that's your position. I respect your position if you can explain to us what or who caused the Universe to exist. If you can't, I do not understand how you can so easily discard the Creator when you and all of us are eyewitness of the things created.
You are making the claim there is a god, so its up to you to prove that, I have nothing to prove because I have no proof, and i admit that, so show me your proof and I shall think about believing.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Too bad but, at least you are an expert at Replacement Theology which means vandalism of the Tanach aka the gospel of Jesus with the Hellenistic doctrines of the NT.

Hellenistic? The Lord Jesus Christ was an Israelite born in Bethlehem. The prophecies of Isaiah is about him and it became true as it was written.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Hellenistic? The Lord Jesus Christ was an Israelite born in Bethlehem. The prophecies of Isaiah is about him and it became true as it was written.

I said, "Hellenistic" doctrines of the NT, not of Jesus. Jesus never had any thing to do with the NT. He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise. If he was an Israelite born in Bethlehem, why do you guys struggle so hard to make of him a Christian? And, according to whom are the prophecies of Isaiah about him, you or the NT? Alas! what's the difference! Let's make a deal. You mention to me a prophecy which you assume to be about Jesus and, if a fail to tell you with Biblical evidences what the prophecy is about, I'll become a Christian as you are. Do we have a deal?
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
You are making the claim there is a god, so its up to you to prove that, I have nothing to prove because I have no proof, and i admit that, so show me your proof and I shall think about believing.

You have to prove the opposite as you deny my assertion. If you have no proof to substantiate your denial, you must stop denying people's points of view.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
I said, "Hellenistic" doctrines of the NT, not of Jesus. Jesus never had any thing to do with the NT. He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise. If he was an Israelite born in Bethlehem, why do you guys struggle so hard to make of him a Christian? And, according to whom are the prophecies of Isaiah about him, you or the NT? Alas! what's the difference! Let's make a deal. You mention to me a prophecy which you assume to be about Jesus and, if a fail to tell you with Biblical evidences what the prophecy is about, I'll become a Christian as you are. Do we have a deal?

Wow. That would be great.
"He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise."
In fact he did:

Matthew 26:8-13 New International Version (NIV)

When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. “This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor.”

Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me. When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”
 

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MJFlores

Well-Known Member
I said, "Hellenistic" doctrines of the NT, not of Jesus. Jesus never had any thing to do with the NT. He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise. If he was an Israelite born in Bethlehem, why do you guys struggle so hard to make of him a Christian? And, according to whom are the prophecies of Isaiah about him, you or the NT? Alas! what's the difference! Let's make a deal. You mention to me a prophecy which you assume to be about Jesus and, if a fail to tell you with Biblical evidences what the prophecy is about, I'll become a Christian as you are. Do we have a deal?

Jesus never had any thing to do with the NT. He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise.

He did


Matthew 24:3-14 New International Version (NIV)

As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.
“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
But I have nothing to deny, you haven't given me anything to deny.

I have given you more than any thing but, you like to play your game. So, let me join in. Here is again one of them: HaShem the Primal Cause caused the Universe to exist because the Universe could not have caused itself to exist. You denied my statement for inability to understand Logic. Remember now that you had something to deny?
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I have given you more than any thing but, you like to play your game. So, let me join in. Here is again one of them: HaShem the Primal Cause caused the Universe to exist because the Universe could not have caused itself to exist. You denied my statement for inability to understand Logic. Remember now that you had something to deny?
I cannot deny that because like you you don't know that is true, how could you, and if you did know its true, then you would be the first ever to do so, so if you do.......prove it !.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

This that you have posted above is part of the Sermon of the Mount delivered by Jesus to a crowd of Jews if you read
Mat. 5:1, 11; 7:28 as the crowd of Jews is concerned. Now, verse 11 as persecution, death of the Jews and hatred by all nations because of Jesus were concerned, explains the Jewish History of pogroms, blood libels, Crusades, Inquisition and last but not the least, the Holocaust. All because of me, said Jesus. Because of the slander that the Jews crucified Jesus. The gospel of the kingdom is the gospel of Jesus which was the Tanach. Hence, Jesus used to teach to listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31) Such statement is seen only in the Tanach aka the gospel of Jesus.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
I cannot deny that because like you you don't know that is true, how could you, and if you did know its true, then you would be the first ever to do so, so if you do.......prove it !.

If you cannot deny, does it mean you believe that HaShem aka the Primal Cause caused the Universe to exist? If you
do not believe it, you deny; if you deny it, you are contradicting yourself. How's gonna be?
 
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