Who Or What Is Satan?

[A. Ben-Shema]

There is much misunderstanding and confusion in religion about exactly who or what satan really is.

The Hebrew word (satan) merely means an 'opponent', 'adversary', or 'enemy'. In a religious context, satan refers to an enemy of God. Now, what is the greatest enemy of God? What is it which turns people away from God? What is it which tempts us to follow evil? What is it which blinds us to Truth? The answer is: OUR OWN 'FIRST-BORN' LOWER / CARNAL / UNENLIGHTENED MIND! It is only this 'lower' mind (ego / persona) which brings forth pride, selfishness, hate, greed, envy, lust, etc. etc. The lower animals do not possess such a mind, and thus do not suffer these evils.

Peace & Love

 

[Super Universe]

The meaning of the word Satan came after the being not before. Satan was an assistant to Lucifer and followed Lucifer in his rebellion. Another of Lucifer's assistant's was Beelzebub.

These rebels are now in confinement awaiting trial and judgement which should finish only 1,000 of our years from now.

Do not use Satan or Lucifer or Beelzebub as an excuse. They are nothing compared to you.

Take responsibility for all of your actions and inactions. Become a mature universal being.

There is no enemy of God. There is only knowledge and lack of knowledge. Such a thing as an enemy of God cannot exist because God created everything.

 

[A. Ben-Shema]

The meaning of the word Satan came after the being not before. Satan was an assistant to Lucifer and followed Lucifer in his rebellion. Another of Lucifer's assistant's was Beelzebub.

What you state here is merely what you have learned from books - No? Merely beliefs? Or have you experienced these things for yourself?

These rebels are now in confinement awaiting trial and judgement which should finish only 1,000 of our years from now.

More of the same?

Do not use Satan or Lucifer or Beelzebub as an excuse. They are nothing compared to you

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Take responsibility for all of your actions and inactions. Become a mature universal being.

Isn't this what I was saying in my previous post - that satan IS OUR OWN 'LOWER' SELF - our own carnal mind - our ego / persona!

There is no enemy of God. There is only knowledge and lack of knowledge. Such a thing as an enemy of God cannot exist because God created everything.

Now you seem to be contradicting what you started off saying, i.e. Satan was an assistant to Lucifer and Beelzebub who all rebelled against God. Now you say that there is not, nor can there exist, an enemy of God! You are very confusing. Perhaps you could explain thing again?

Peace & Love

 

[Buttercup]

Satan is a figment of Zoroaster's imagination. I believe that while the Jews were held captive for 50 years by the Persians they may have be influenced by Zoroastrianism which was the dominant religion at the time in the region and may have later incorporated Satan (changed a bit from the OT) into New Testament writings.

Zoroastrianism is considered by some scholars to be the oldest monotheistic religion dating up to 6,000 years BC. Other scholars date Zoroaster's writings later to about 1500 BC. He taught of [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Ahura Mazda who was the supreme, single God and [/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Angra Mainyu, an evil spirit who opposed God.

It's difficult to say who came up with Satan first, but many scholars believe Zoroaster did.

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[Super Universe]

Yes, everything I've learned comes from books, and friends, and forums, and enlightened ones, dream interpretation, logic, probability...

Satan is not inside of me. Satan is not the great deceiver. He is not a snake nor is he a faulty aspect of humanity or an enemy of God. He is simply a rebel in jail and unworthy of anything more than a footnote in the universe.

Lucifer, Satan, and Beelzebub did not rebel against God because they did not know God. They only knew "of" God, they only knew what they were told. They did not earn the right to know God because they did not earn their way to heaven.

Angels do not come from heaven. Angels are created by high ascended universal beings to do specific tasks for the universe but they may choose the path of ascension if they wish, the same path you and I are on.

Lucifer, Satan, and Beelzebub truly rebelled against the rules of their own kind and not God. God's rules are unbreakable, they are the physical laws and nothing, not even the most highly ascended beings can violate them.

There is nothing in the universe that is against God. This is not possible. The closest thing to anything being against God is ignorance since God is truly All That Is. God created the universe for His children to join with biologics to grow into mature universal beings.

There are no tests. There are no tricks. God is not a powerful child with the worst of human faults. This is something the tribal holy men and priests invented because they could not understand why God allows bad things to happen.

Choose to do no harm and live, learn, experience, grow, and mature. Choose to do all this regardless of what others are doing. And do not view this existence as the only one for you. We all have a very, very, long ways to go.

 

[A. Ben-Shema]

Well, Super Universe, as you seem to have everything neatly sorted in your mind, it would be useless to refute your beliefs any further.

Peace & Love

 

[worshiper]

Well, Super Universe, as you seem to have everything neatly sorted in your mind, it would be useless to refute your beliefs any further.

Peace & Love

dito....

it seems to me from your other posts, that you yourself have everything neatly sorted in your mind that all religion are tools of satan. so you are pretty much the same in a different color.

if that is the case, then it is useless to state my views coz it doesnt matter. your goal is just to refute it

peace be upon you

 

[Super Universe]

Religion are tools of Satan? Sigh... You obviously misunderstood. Did you not read what I just posted about Satan being nothing?

Satan is an excuse for the weak. He is nothing. He is like an ant fighting against the sun and you are the sun and God is a billion suns.

I am pretty much the same as what? Are you calling me Satan? Hehe, project threats somewhere else little one, you can't scare me with your fire and brimstone bravado.

I've been to your church and found it wanting. It stands for itself and misrepresents the true God who does not kill or murder and does not become jealous or tempt or anger.

My goal is not to refute anything you say Worshipper. You have 21 posts, what do I know of you?

My goal is to defend God. So I ask people this, which do you choose, God or religion?

 

[Free4all]

There are many who deny the existence of Satan. The existence of Satan cannot be determined by the opinions of men. The only source of information is the Bible. That is the reason why Satan tries to discredit the Word of God. He is not a "principle of evil" he is a - person.
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 1Pet 5:8
He "walketh" and "roars" this could not be said of a "principle of evil". He has many names - Satan, Devil, Beelzebub, Belial, Adversary, Dragon, Serpent. He is mentioned by one or the other of these names 174 times in the Bible.
He is a great "Celestial Potentate". He is "The Prince of the powers of the air" Eph 2:2
"The God of this world" (Age) 2COR 4:4 So mighty is he that man cannot successfully resist him without Divine help.
He is a created being, and that of the most exalted type. He was before his fall "the anointed cherub that covereth" that is, he was the gaurdian or protector of the "Throne of God"

 

[Halcyon]

I think Satan began as Ba'al of the Canaanite pantheon who, after the advent of strict monotheism, was first relegated to the status of angel, becoming an adversary of humanity, not God. Then later demonised after the return from exile, and under the influence of Zurvanism became the adversary of man and God.

During and post NT times, Satan in Christianity became more the anti-God, while in Judaism his role gradually reversed back to that of an obedient angel, adversary of mankind.

 

[worshiper]

Religion are tools of Satan? Sigh... You obviously misunderstood. Did you not read what I just posted about Satan being nothing?

Satan is an excuse for the weak. He is nothing. He is like an ant fighting against the sun and you are the sun and God is a billion suns.

I am pretty much the same as what? Are you calling me Satan? Hehe, project threats somewhere else little one, you can't scare me with your fire and brimstone bravado.

I've been to your church and found it wanting. It stands for itself and misrepresents the true God who does not kill or murder and does not become jealous or tempt or anger.

My goal is not to refute anything you say Worshipper. You have 21 posts, what do I know of you?

My goal is to defend God. So I ask people this, which do you choose, God or religion?

i have 21 posts of cors you dont know of me. in fact you dont know what i'm talking about at all. read again and you will find out that i was replying to Ben (the topic stater) and i wasnt even talking to you.

you and Ben are the same coz you 2 have your own idea of satan neatly sorted out in your minds. that is just what the similarities are. but your ideas of satan are totally different.

My goal is to defend God. So I ask people this, which do you choose, God or religion?

again i'm not talking about your goal .. i was talking about Ben

take a deep breath clear your mind it helps a lot

 

[A. Ben-Shema]

Super Universe

To avoid confusion as to whom you are actually addressing in your posts, PLEASE connect your post to the appropriate one, and/or start your post with their name. Thanks.

 

[Kcnorwood]

I don't believe in Satan myself I figure he's just another thing the church came up with to scare little Pagan kids into converting to christiany.

 

[A. Ben-Shema]

I don't believe in Satan myself I figure he's just another thing the church came up with to scare little Pagan kids into converting to christiany.

Yes, the childish concept of a 'being' with horns and a tail etc. is certainly a myth. However, can you not understand that the human mind is actually what brings all evil into this world? It is simply this, the carnal human mind, which is satan.

Tell me of anything evil in this world that did not originate within the mind of some man/woman?

Peace & Love

 

[Kcnorwood]

Yes, the childish concept of a 'being' with horns and a tail etc. is certainly a myth. However, can you not understand that the human mind is actually what brings all evil into this world? It is simply this, the carnal human mind, which is satan.

Tell me of anything evil in this world that did not originate within the mind of some man/woman?

Peace & Love

When you do something bad like steal or take someone's life it's a choice there not a devil making you do it. People are good we just make bad choices.

 

[Super Universe]

There are many who deny the existence of Satan. The existence of Satan cannot be determined by the opinions of men. The only source of information is the Bible. That is the reason why Satan tries to discredit the Word of God. He is not a "principle of evil" he is a - person.
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 1Pet 5:8
He "walketh" and "roars" this could not be said of a "principle of evil". He has many names - Satan, Devil, Beelzebub, Belial, Adversary, Dragon, Serpent. He is mentioned by one or the other of these names 174 times in the Bible.
He is a great "Celestial Potentate". He is "The Prince of the powers of the air" Eph 2:2
"The God of this world" (Age) 2COR 4:4 So mighty is he that man cannot successfully resist him without Divine help.
He is a created being, and that of the most exalted type. He was before his fall "the anointed cherub that covereth" that is, he was the gaurdian or protector of the "Throne of God"

I certainly did not deny the existence of Satan. He does exist, in jail. And the only source of information is NOT the bible.

Let me ask you this, if your child gets sick do you take them to a healer who depends on 2,000 year old information? Probably not, so why only trust in religious theory that is two to more than four thousand years old?

The reason is because you can't think for yourself about God. You don't feel that you are qualified. You want others to tell you about God but the problem is that they don't know. They just continue preaching the same old idea's that originated with ancient tribal holy men who were so ignorant about the world that they didn't even know what caused the rain to fall.

Satan was never a person, he is an angel, and an assistant to Lucifer. Angels are energy beings created with great abilities. Lucifer was given the leadership position (planetary prince) over the earth until Christ could complete His bestowal mission.

Lucifer knew that he was about to lose his job and his position so he started his rebellion while Christ was in human form. Once Christ ascended He sent the angel Gabriel to apprehend Lucifer and the other rebels. They were all given a chance to repent, most did but of course Lucifer and Satan did not.

 

[Free4all]

Anything, except believe that old outdated BOOK eh! blah-blah

 

[A. Ben-Shema]

Satan was never a person, he is an angel, and an assistant to Lucifer. Angels are energy beings created with great abilities. Lucifer was given the leadership position (planetary prince) over the earth until Christ could complete His bestowal mission.

Lucifer knew that he was about to lose his job and his position so he started his rebellion while Christ was in human form. Once Christ ascended He sent the angel Gabriel to apprehend Lucifer and the other rebels. They were all given a chance to repent, most did but of course Lucifer and Satan did not.

Do you also believe in Santa? (b.t.w. an anagram for 'satan' ); because what you believe and say about 'angels' is just as childish. Do you also believe that angels have wings and can fly?:areyoucra

The word simply means, when interpreted into English, a 'messenger'!

This is how the myths about angels came into being. (I quote from my book "Originally, in traditional Israelite thought, angels (messengers of God) were simply Divinely Inspired human beings, thus they could easily be mistaken for ‘ordinary’ men (cf. HEB.13:2). Later, it was believed (by the uninitiated, who thought that Heaven/God is somewhere up in the sky) that these messengers from God would have to traverse to and from Heaven by the use of “ladders”/”stairs” (GEN.28:12). After the period of Israel's Babylonian exile (BC 597-538), Jewish thought about angels was considerably altered. Drawing on Mesopotamian beliefs, writers began to provide “wings,” even for the anthropomorphic angels. An example of complete ignorance, which still persists amongst many today."

Peace & Love

 

[Super Universe]

Anything, except believe that old outdated BOOK eh! blah-blah

That old outdated book also happens to have some truth to it. It's a darn shame the modern preachers haven't figured out which stories are ancient tribal teachings and which are true revelation.

One day the preachers will figure it out but it will be after the people have already found it.

It's been so long since I've been preached to, I wonder, do they still teach that God is angry with us?

 

[Super Universe]

Do you also believe in Santa? (b.t.w. an anagram for 'satan' ); because what you believe and say about 'angels' is just as childish. Do you also believe that angels have wings and can fly?:areyoucra

The word simply means, when interpreted into English, a 'messenger'!

This is how the myths about angels came into being. (I quote from my book "Originally, in traditional Israelite thought, angels (messengers of God) were simply Divinely Inspired human beings, thus they could easily be mistaken for ‘ordinary’ men (cf. HEB.13:2). Later, it was believed (by the uninitiated, who thought that Heaven/God is somewhere up in the sky) that these messengers from God would have to traverse to and from Heaven by the use of “ladders”/”stairs” (GEN.28:12). After the period of Israel's Babylonian exile (BC 597-538), Jewish thought about angels was considerably altered. Drawing on Mesopotamian beliefs, writers began to provide “wings,” even for the anthropomorphic angels. An example of complete ignorance, which still persists amongst many today."

Peace & Love

Do I believe in Santa? Yep, my parents were the real Santa.

Childish? Hmm, maybe you can be a little more specific, I'd love to debate you on this but I can understand if you wish to avoid a real grown up discussion about it.

Angel means messenger? And...

I don't disagree with anything "your book" has to say about angels. They are not men though they appear as men. They are not messengers from God, they are messengers from the ascended beings who work for the universe, indirectly working for God.

The reason angels are depicted as having wings is because when you see them appear, as if out of thin air, a circular opening grows from a singularity until it is large enough for a man to walk through.

This circular opening is a channel from the higher dimensions that the angels then come through. Primitive humans had no understanding of the physic's involved and described it the best they could "with wings to carry them".