Who Was The Spirit Of Truth? And Who Was The Comforter?

[hotep]

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John 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.

John 14:16

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.






God will Be sending the Spirit of truth, who is that?

Who is This another Comforter spoken about?

Could there be Two Comforters or more?



If The Comforter is the Holy ghost,
than who is the spirit of truth?

Because if the Comforter is the Holy spirit,

than the Holy Ghost cant be the Spirit of Truth,
because that would mean that there are two Holy Ghost.


Question that you dont have to answer,
but should call you to reflect on,
at the same time if you think
you understand this please
share.





peace

 

[sojourner]

come on in,

stay for a while,

we got a problem

check it:


John 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.

John 14:16

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.






God will Be sending the Spirit of truth, who is that?

Who is This another Comforter spoken about?

Could there be Two Comforters or more?



If The Comforter is the Holy ghost,
than who is the spirit of truth?

Because if the Comforter is the Holy spirit,

than the Holy Ghost cant be the Spirit of Truth,
because that would mean that there are two Holy Ghost.


Question that you dont have to answer,
but should call you to reflect on,
at the same time if you think
you understand this please
share.





peace

Here's a much better translation:
"When the Advocate (Comforter) comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father, he will testify on my behalf."

"Advocate" (Comforter) and "Spirit of truth" are two different names for the same Person -- the Holy Spirit.

The King James English is tricky here, since we just don't speak English that way anymore.

In the Jn 14:16 passage, Jesus is talking about leaving the disciples. So he tells them, "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to be with you for ever."

In other words, Jesus is an Advocate -- the Holy Spirit is another Advocate, whom God will send after Jesus has gone.

Better?

 

[S-word]

Here's a much better translation:

"When the Advocate (Comforter) comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father, he will testify on my behalf."

"Advocate" (Comforter) and "Spirit of truth" are two different names for the same Person -- the Holy Spirit.

The King James English is tricky here, since we just don't speak English that way anymore.

In the Jn 14:16 passage, Jesus is talking about leaving the disciples. So he tells them, "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to be with you for ever."

In other words, Jesus is an Advocate -- the Holy Spirit is another Advocate, whom God will send after Jesus has gone.

Better?

Correct, and he is the saviour of Israel the fiery prophet Elijah who is to appear Just before the great tribulation that precedes the day of the Lord , the Sabbath which is the seventh period of one thousand years from Adam, this is the second Temple in which our father will dwell on earth among his old, then to be superseded tabernacle, which is the body of mankind.

Enoch who has never experienced the physical death but was carried up in a whirlwind of fire to stand before Enoch, who, clothed and girded with fire, was chosen to serve God before the body of Adam into all eternity.

From the last Testament of Benjamin to his children when he was about to die in the land of Egypt, chapter 9: 1-4; “And I believe that there will be also evil doings among you, from the words of Enoch the righteous: that ye shall commit fornication with the fornication of Sodom, and shall perish, all save a few, and shall renew wanton deeds with women; and the kingdom of the Lord shall not be among you, for straightway He shall take it away.

Nevertheless the temple of God shall be in your portion, and the last temple (Elijah) shall be more glorious than the first. And the twelve tribes shall be gathered there and all of the gentiles, until the most high shall send forth His salvation in the visitation of an only begotten prophet (Enoch). And He shall descend and enter the first temple (The man Jesus), and there shall the Lord be treated with outrage, and he shall be lifted up and hung upon a tree. And the veil of that temple shall be rent, and the spirit of God shall pass onto the Gentiles as fire poured forth, etc.

 

[hotep]

Here's a much better translation:
"When the Advocate (Comforter) comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father, he will testify on my behalf."

"Advocate" (Comforter) and "Spirit of truth" are two different names for the same Person -- the Holy Spirit.

The King James English is tricky here, since we just don't speak English that way anymore.

In the Jn 14:16 passage, Jesus is talking about leaving the disciples. So he tells them, "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to be with you for ever."

In other words, Jesus is an Advocate -- the Holy Spirit is another Advocate, whom God will send after Jesus has gone.

Better?

would you say that, the holy spirit is inside you? if you are saved.


peace

 

[sojourner]

would you say that, the holy spirit is inside you? if you are saved.


peace

I would say that the Holy Spirit is the core of my being. In that way, I am created in God's Image.

 

[S-word]

I would say that the Holy Spirit is the core of my being. In that way, I am created in God's Image.

You are created in God's image in that you are a miniture universe in which the divine animating principle which pervades the entire universal body also dwells within the innermost sanctuary of the Tabernacle in which you the Person/mind/spirit are evolving.

The divine animating principle or universal soul (Animating Lifeforce) which pervades all that is, was in the beginning and has become who you are by gathering to that portion of the universal soul, all the spirits of your ancestors, human and pre-human, He who has become "Who You Are," has never experienced death, nor can he experience death, and as long as you remain true to and an extention of the spirit that has become "Who You Are," then death can have no power over you who are a faithful servant and one with "Who You Are". Know yourself and be true to who you are, then, and only then will you be known.

 

[hotep]

I would say that the Holy Spirit is the core of my being. In that way, I am created in God's Image.

that being said, are you now God?
now that He is in you.

 

[S-word]

that being said, are you now God?
now that He is in you.

The universal body today that is activated by "The Logos," the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universe in which he continuously evolves, is what the singularity of origin has become, as he was once one, today he remains one; we are all God who encompasses all time within this period of universal activity.

Only after the war between good and bad began to rage in the body of man, did we become Just like God, see Genesis 3: 23.

 

[hotep]

The universal body today that is activated by "The Logos," the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universe in which he continuously evolves, is what the singularity of origin has become, as he was once one, today he remains one; we are all God who encompasses all time within this period of universal activity.

Only after the war between good and bad began to rage in the body of man, did we become Just like God, see Genesis 3: 23.

no parables, please, are you God yes or no?

yes you are God

no you are not God


peace

 

[AK4]

come on in,

stay for a while,

we got a problem

check it:


John 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.

John 14:16

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.






God will Be sending the Spirit of truth, who is that?

Who is This another Comforter spoken about?

Could there be Two Comforters or more?



If The Comforter is the Holy ghost,
than who is the spirit of truth?

Because if the Comforter is the Holy spirit,

than the Holy Ghost cant be the Spirit of Truth,
because that would mean that there are two Holy Ghost.


Question that you dont have to answer,
but should call you to reflect on,
at the same time if you think
you understand this please
share.





peace

Interesting that you only point out two---conforter and spirit of truth, yet there are many other things God says about Himself. Check this out

Here is the main Scripture used by Trinitarians to try and make people believe that God is a trinity:

"Going, then, disciple all nations baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit [Authorized, ghost]..." (Mat. 28:19).
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And how does this verse prove that God is a three-in-one trinity? I DON’T KNOW! It certainly doesn’t say that these three form ONE GOD. Or that these three are coequal with one another. They are just all three mentioned in one verse, that’s all.
The mention of the "holy spirit" in this verse no more proves that the holy spirit is the third God part of a trinity than the mention of "the Comforter" in John 15:26 proves that it is the fourth God part of a quartet, or the mention of "the spirit of Truth" in this same verse in the fifth God part of a quintet! But why stop here. If we look for phrases such as "the holy spirit" being representative of some kind of personal being of a multi-person Godhead, we can find a plethora of "gods."
Let’s count them

1. God
   
   [*]The Father
   
   [*]The Highest
   
   [*]The Holy Ghost
   
   [*]The Holy Spirit
   
   [*]The Spirit of God
   
   [*]The Spirit of Christ
   
   [*]Jesus Christ
   
   [*]The Son of God. We are now up to a TRIPLE trinity.
   
   [*]The Mediator
   
   [*]The Mind of God
   
   [*]The Spirit of truth. Now we have a quartet of trinities
   
   [*]The Word was God
   
   

And to these we could add "The SEVEN Spirits of God (Rev. 4:5), etc., etc.
We are now up to twenty potential coequal candidates for this so-called triune godhead. Clearly, God is NOT a trinity or a collection of trinities. By the way, "Godhead" is not a proper translation of any Greek word, it should be translated "Deity" or "Divinity."
No matter how many different spirits there are, one thing is certain: ALL SPIRITS ARE IN SUBJECTION TO THE FATHER--NONE ARE EQUAL TO OR WITH THE FATHER, because we have Scriptural proof that God is superior to all spirits, seeing that:

"Yet shall we not much rather be subjected to the FATHER OF SPIRITS..." (Heb. 12:9)
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To him who has an ear to hear; let him hear!
No, there are NOT twenty members of a coequal godhead. Not ten or even five. There are not even three or two.

"...there is ONE God, the FATHER..." (I Cor. 8:6)
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[sojourner]

that being said, are you now God?
now that He is in you.

We are made in God's image.

 

[hotep]

We are made in God's image.

does that mean you are God?

 

[ayani]

"Holy Ghost", "Holy Spirit", and "Spirit of Truth" all describe the same Being.

basically, the Spirit of God, or God Himself choosing to move in and within human hearts, within the context of faith and life in Christ.

the Spirit is also described Biblically as "power from on high", "the Spirit of Jesus", and "the Spirit of God".

 

[hotep]

"Holy Ghost", "Holy Spirit", and "Spirit of Truth" all describe the same Being.

basically, the Spirit of God, or God Himself choosing to move in and within human hearts, within the context of faith and life in Christ.

the Spirit is also described Biblically as "power from on high", "the Spirit of Jesus", and "the Spirit of God".

is Jesus the holy spirit as well?

 

[ayani]

Hotep ~

not quite. Jesus is the Messiah, God stepping down into human history.

the Bible tells us that the Spirit can proceed both from the Father and the Son. the Father is God, the Son is the Messiah (and also identified with the Father), and the Spirit is simply the Spirit of God, given in Christian faith by faith in the Son.

the Spirit is the will, power, mind, and power of God as it moves and indwells in human hearts. it is a gift and a power which proceeds from both Father and Son, and sanctifies and renews the heart.

this is what you hear about when you hear Christians talk about being "born again". faith and grace work together by God's grace to give the Holy Spirit. essentially the Spirit of Truth to guide the new beleiver in discipleship, purity, worship, discernment, holiness, and perspective.

 

[hotep]

Hotep ~

not quite. Jesus is the Messiah, God stepping down into human history.

the Bible tells us that the Spirit can proceed both from the Father and the Son. the Father is God, the Son is the Messiah (and also identified with the Father), and the Spirit is simply the Spirit of God, given in Christian faith by faith in the Son.

the Spirit is the will, power, mind, and power of God as it moves and indwells in human hearts. it is a gift and a power which proceeds from both Father and Son, and sanctifies and renews the heart.

this is what you hear about when you hear Christians talk about being "born again". faith and grace work together by God's grace to give the Holy Spirit. essentially the Spirit of Truth to guide the new beleiver in discipleship, purity, worship, discernment, holiness, and perspective.

hold on,

put the brakes on,

you said Jesus is not the holy spirit, the comforter.


yes or no?

 

[ayani]

no, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.

rather, He sends the Holy Spirit, who can also be called (and is Biblically called) the Spirit of Jesus.

hold on,

put the brakes on,

you said Jesus is not the holy spirit, the comforter.


yes or no?

 

[hotep]

no, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.

rather, He sends the Holy Spirit, who can also be called (and is Biblically called) the Spirit of Jesus.

ok who is the scripture speaking of when it saids He will asked the father
to send another Comforter?


another Comforter?


who was the first Comforter?


peace

 

[ayani]

Hotep ~

if you look at the context of the conversation Jesus has with His disciples, prior to talking about the Comforter, He talks about Himself going to the Father (dying, rising, and ascending to heaven). thus as Jesus Himself will not be with them on earth, He will send another Comforter (in place of Himself), the Holy Spirit, to be with them, teach them, dwell in them, and empower them.

 

[hotep]

Hotep ~

if you look at the context of the conversation Jesus has with His disciples, prior to talking about the Comforter, He talks about Himself going to the Father (dying, rising, and ascending to heaven). thus as Jesus Himself will not be with them on earth, He will send another Comforter (in place of Himself), the Holy Spirit, to be with them, teach them, dwell in them, and empower them.

are you saying that Jesus was the comforter
which is the holy spirit?


because before you said Jesus was not the holy spirit