Father Heathen
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Who's actually "grooming"/"coming for your kids."
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Subduction Zone
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I like how in the more detailed map that missionaries, a rather small group one would think, are more of a danger than transgender people, also a rather small group, but I would think rather larger than that of missionaries. Of course a lot comes down to definitions. In fact on a per capita basis it appears that anyone in religious work is likely to be the biggest threat against children.
Father Heathen
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From this data, we can see that those who've been protesting drag shows, pride events, etc. should be grabbed by their greasy mullets and relocated to the nearest church to resume their protests there.
Subduction Zone
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According to this site missionaries only number about 10,000 in the US. Though those are likely paid missionaries. The source for the missionaries figure in the OP may have included volunteer missionaries. At any rate it appears one needs to be far more worried about them than transgender people:
www.zippia.com
Missionary Demographics and Statistics [2024]: Number Of Missionarys In The US
How many Missionarys are in US? More than 9,044. Learn more about 2024 demographics based on factors such as age, race, sex, salary and location.
Father Heathen
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There are several red flags with the data and presentation.
The ambiguous Y axis and it being unclear if the data were properly standardized to per capita makes it difficult for me to take their data seriously. Also, the fact that they're not an academic with expertise in survey and research methodology, which is clear by looking at the caveats in their data sourcing too. Show us something by some proper demography specialists and scientists.
The ambiguous Y axis and it being unclear if the data were properly standardized to per capita makes it difficult for me to take their data seriously. Also, the fact that they're not an academic with expertise in survey and research methodology, which is clear by looking at the caveats in their data sourcing too. Show us something by some proper demography specialists and scientists.
PureX
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anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
I brought up "taking out the trash" in a thread about the Catholic Church being evil and I can't find them, I think the thread may have been deleted? I provided a couple links, but there are plenty out there that show how school districts allowed teachers to move from one district to another without disclosing or requiring disclosure of allegations against teachers. It's a known problem, with a known euphemism.
I made it clear that in no way mitigated what happened in the Church but that criminal abuse of children crossed all demographics and that family and/or family acquaintance is the largest.
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vulcanlogician
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I really don't know what to make of the charts that OP provided, but from personal experience and good intuition, I'd tend to agree with family and the religious establishment being the primary practitioners of grooming.
I also think the increased use of the term "grooming" is something of a double-edged sword. On the positive side, it sheds light on some shady things that transpire between adults and impressionable youths. On the other hand, it may be vilifying honest sexual expression of people who aren't trying to victimize children. They are just trying to express their own sexuality. And sometimes it is perfectly okay for children to see that.
To bring in a topical example, let's take kids watching drag shows as an example. Are there sexual themes expressed at drag shows? Yes. Quite often. But are they targeted at children? No. Are they meant to teach children that they have no sexual autonomy? No.
But I betcha that there are plenty of Baptist sermons whose primary thesis is that "certain women don't deserve sexual autonomy." If you ask me, that's GENUINE grooming.
A drag show is just campy fun. For those Christians present who don't know what the term "campy fun" means... that's when you DON'T command your daughter to be subservient to anyone. It's when you playfully lipsynch to songs while wearing outrageous eyelashes. Since no one is robbed of their autonomy, such a thing is NOT grooming. When you indoctrinate your daughters to subservience, well, that sounds like textbook grooming doesn't it?
I also think the increased use of the term "grooming" is something of a double-edged sword. On the positive side, it sheds light on some shady things that transpire between adults and impressionable youths. On the other hand, it may be vilifying honest sexual expression of people who aren't trying to victimize children. They are just trying to express their own sexuality. And sometimes it is perfectly okay for children to see that.
To bring in a topical example, let's take kids watching drag shows as an example. Are there sexual themes expressed at drag shows? Yes. Quite often. But are they targeted at children? No. Are they meant to teach children that they have no sexual autonomy? No.
But I betcha that there are plenty of Baptist sermons whose primary thesis is that "certain women don't deserve sexual autonomy." If you ask me, that's GENUINE grooming.
A drag show is just campy fun. For those Christians present who don't know what the term "campy fun" means... that's when you DON'T command your daughter to be subservient to anyone. It's when you playfully lipsynch to songs while wearing outrageous eyelashes. Since no one is robbed of their autonomy, such a thing is NOT grooming. When you indoctrinate your daughters to subservience, well, that sounds like textbook grooming doesn't it?
whoismakingnews
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There's nothing ambiguous about the data or the axis. The site clearly states the period during which we've collected data (almost exactly the past 13 months) and outlines both the limitations of the data collection and the per capita as well as gross number of incidents. Further, the entire database is downloadable - so anyone with concerns can sort and reanalyze. Further, if there are cases left out or mischaracterized, we're happy to include/correct.
What seems to trouble the right wing/religion industry is the undeniable fact that in the past 13 months those employed in the religion business, and in particular the Christian subsidiary, as well as those who run as Republicans seeking elective office, are making the news for sexual assaults on children at rates far greater than their incidence in society. Whether that's a causal relationship or not I'll leave to others.
We also note on the site that not all cases are either reported in any news media or in media picked up by search engines. But the operating assumption is that the more sensational cases are picked up and widely disseminated. And that's why this data, as of today, should prove instructive.
source: whoismakingnews.com
Subduction Zone
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Well clearly transgender people are terrible!! They are four times the threat that drag queens are and we all know how bad that they are.
When they say "grooming" are they specifically talking about sexual grooming? Or are they including (example) family rules for family members, religious rules for pastors, learning rules for teachers, etc.
We? You're part of this? Congrats. You're doing important work.
Doesn't mean I still don't vastly prefer studies done by proper specialists over well-intentioned amateurs - I've got enough of a formal background in survey methodology and hard science that I just have higher standards, sorry. Which is why I asked for better data. Something vetted and peer reviewed. With such an interest in this topic, you have something like that on hand to cite to curious askers, certainly? I've got easy access to a university library so if you want to reference a physical book that's fine too.
Good question. I suppose it depends on who "they" are.
Wirey
Fartist
Exactly. Define "grooming". If I brush my daughter's hair and reply to the survey with "Yes, I groom my children," it's a little misleading. I hate that word.
Yerda
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On the site:
The rules are simple: the data consists of crimes involving actual assaults on children. Therefore it does not include arrests in “sting” or CSAM possession cases, except where the perpetrator is charged with creating the CSAM, and thus has direct contact with a victim.