Who's teaching should a Christian focus on?

[smokydot]

And you think this simple statement gives man the right to overrule God and Jesus ?
Why do you think all the early Disciples were Sabbath-keepers ? Because it was to serve as a foundation of true Christian religion. None of the early church met on a sunday (except to break bread, eat together) either before or after Jesus' resurrection which was NOT on a sunday. Had God wanted a sunday-congregation he would have started with Gentiles or existing sunday-keepers. There are no scriptures making changes in the Sabbath-Commandments and anything else is guesswork on man's part.
I am not entering into a long debate re this matter which has been mentioned already numerous times in past and other threads.

Well, how many times does Jesus have to say it before it is true?

That's not the only reason. . .the Sabbath is about rest, no regular work. . .it's focus is not which day of the week.

And Saturdays were not the only Sabbaths in the OT. Some non-Saturday Sabbaths were more significant that the regular Saturday Sabbath.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread - 15th - 21st day of 1st month - first and seventh day were Sabbaths
The Sunday Feast of Weeks - 6th day of 3rd month - was a Sabbath
The Feast of Trumpets - 1st day of 7th month - was a Sabbath
The Day of Atonement - 10th day of 7th month - was a Sabbath
The Feast of Tabernacles - 15th to 22nd day of 7th month - 1st and 8th day were Sabbaths

A Sabbath is about rest, and no regular work. There were Sabbaths other than Saturday in the OT, just as there are Sabbaths other than Saturday in the NT.

 

[Jacksnyte]

Well, how many times does Jesus have to say it before it is true?

There is another reason. . .Saturdays were not the only Sabbaths in the OT. Some non-Saturday Sabbaths were more significant that the regular Saturday Sabbath.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread - 15th - 21st day of 1st month - first and seventh day were Sabbaths
The Sunday Feast of Weeks - 6th day of 3rd month - was a Sabbath
The Feast of Trumpets - 1st day of 7th month - was a Sabbath
The Day of Atonement - 10th day of 7th month - was a Sabbath
The Feast of Tabernacles - 15th to 22nd day of 7th month - 1st and 8th day were Sabbaths

A Sabbath is about rest, and no regular work. There were Sabbaths other than Saturday in the OT, just as there are Sabbaths other than Saturday in the NT.

these were holidays, or in older parlance, holy days, not Sabbaths. There is a difference! In the ten commandments, it says "Remember the Sabbath day(singular,not plural), and keep it(again, singular, not plural) holy".

 

[Beta]

Well, how many times does Jesus have to say it before it is true?

There is another reason. . .Saturdays were not the only Sabbaths in the OT. Some non-Saturday Sabbaths were more significant that the regular Saturday Sabbath.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread - 15th - 21st day of 1st month - first and seventh day were Sabbaths
The Sunday Feast of Weeks - 6th day of 3rd month - was a Sabbath
The Feast of Trumpets - 1st day of 7th month - was a Sabbath
The Day of Atonement - 10th day of 7th month - was a Sabbath
The Feast of Tabernacles - 15th to 22nd day of 7th month - 1st and 8th day were Sabbaths

A Sabbath is about rest, and no regular work. There were Sabbaths other than Saturday in the OT, just as there are Sabbaths other than Saturday in the NT.

There most certainly were other Sabbaths beside the weekly in the OT and they still hold good in the NT as well. Only traditional christianity does not keep any of them the way man is supposed to.
If there are any others in the NT they are man-made just like sunday and have no scriptural support.
GOD's own HOLY Days are clearly listed Lev.23 which inlude the weekly Sabbath. True , it started out as a day of 'rest' in Gen.2 but was upgraded to 'appointed assemblies' in Leviticus. Anyone who seriously studies God's Word knows he 'creates progressively' and we are to' grow in that knowledge' and keep Holy what God has made Holy.
Instead man has messed with it and diminished it.
Just because ONE holy day in the year falls on a sunday does not lift sunday above all other holy days. Annual Holy days can fall on any day of the week but none of them diminish the weekly Sabbath. Can you find any instructions for that ? Of course not !

 

[Jacksnyte]

There most certainly were other Sabbaths beside the weekly in the OT and they still hold good in the NT as well. Only traditional christianity does not keep any of them the way man is supposed to.
If there are any others in the NT they are man-made just like sunday and have no scriptural support.
GOD's own HOLY Days are clearly listed Lev.23 which inlude the weekly Sabbath. True , it started out as a day of 'rest' in Gen.2 but was upgraded to 'appointed assemblies' in Leviticus. Anyone who seriously studies God's Word knows he 'creates progressively' and we are to' grow in that knowledge' and keep Holy what God has made Holy.
Instead man has messed with it and diminished it.
Just because ONE holy day in the year falls on a sunday does not lift sunday above all other holy days. Annual Holy days can fall on any day of the week but none of them diminish the weekly Sabbath. Can you find any instructions for that ? Of course not !

Actually, the Sabbath is meant to comemmorate God's day of rest on the SEVENTH day (Saturday), not Sunday. You would do well to ask a Jewish person about this. They will, I am sure, back me up on this. They did have, and still do, have various feasts and holidays, but none of these are referred to as sabbaths.

 

[smokydot]

these were holidays, or in older parlance, holy days, not Sabbaths. There is a difference! In the ten commandments, it says "Remember the Sabbath day(singular,not plural), and keep it(again, singular, not plural) holy".

Holiday comes from holy-day.

So, they kept only one day in their whole life holy. . .or was there a Saturday Sabbath every week, making many Sabbaths (plural) to keep holy?

The focus of all Sabbaths, was to rest, to do no regular work. That is the purpose of the Sabbath.

And if participating in the required religious Feasts is not a holy day, then what is?

 

[Beta]

Actually, the Sabbath is meant to comemmorate God's day of rest on the SEVENTH day (Saturday), not Sunday. You would do well to ask a Jewish person about this. They will, I am sure, back me up on this. They did have, and still do, have various feasts and holidays, but none of these are referred to as sabbaths.

Didn't I say they were GOD's OWN HOLY DAYS . Am I not talking about the 7th day sabbath which is no other than saturday ?
Why do I need to ask a jewish person when I have the Word of God ??? I thought we were to follow the Bible not jewish teaching.

 

[Jacksnyte]

Didn't I say they were GOD's OWN HOLY DAYS . Am I not talking about the 7th day sabbath which is no other than saturday ?
Why do I need to ask a jewish person when I have the Word of God ??? I thought we were to follow the Bible not jewish teaching.

The Bible IS a Jewish teaching!

 

[Jacksnyte]

Holiday comes from holy-day.

So, they kept only one day in their whole life holy. . .or was there a Saturday Sabbath every week, making many Sabbaths (plural) to keep holy?

The focus of all Sabbaths, was to rest, to do no regular work. That is the purpose of the Sabbath.

And if participating in the required religious Feasts is not a holy day, then what is?

Don't be obtuse! The 7th day(singular, meaning one day) of the week. By the way, did read the whole post? I covered the whole holiday/holy day thing.

 

[smokydot]

The Bible IS a Jewish teaching!

No, the Bible is the Word of God. . .the Father was not a Jew.

 

[smokydot]

Don't be obtuse! The 7th day(singular, meaning one day) of the week. By the way, did read the whole post? I covered their whole holiday/holy day thing.

I missed part of that. . .sorry.

 

[smokydot]

Actually, the Sabbath is meant to comemmorate God's day of rest on the SEVENTH day (Saturday), not Sunday. You would do well to ask a Jewish person about this. They will, I am sure, back me up on this. They did have, and still do, have various feasts and holidays, but none of these are referred to as sabbaths.

The Sabbath is about rest and worship, not about SEVENTH.

A Sabbath by any other name is still a Sabbath--a day of rest, no regular work, and a holy day.

 

[james2ko]

The Sabbath is about rest and worship, not about SEVENTH.

A Sabbath by any other name is still a Sabbath--a day of rest, no regular work, and a holy day.

I believe the definite article used in just about every translation for Exodus 20:8 is the Sabbath not a sabbath. Therefore identifying a specific period of time which happens to be Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

 

[Beta]

The Bible IS a Jewish teaching!

Nonsense !
The OT was given to ' Israel ' and the Jews are only a part of them. They may also teach from it but it is GOD-INSPIRED and as we see is somewhat different 'in part' from it's teaching. Why else would Jesus have found fault with them ?

 

[Civil Shephard]

The Bible says this and the Bible says that...

Please... don't let it chase you around the room or you'll start bashing people in the head with it.

In all my life every talking bible I ever met didn't ad up to a free bowl of soup from a little old lady on a mission. I'm talking home made leftover soup... you know... with a foot in it?

 

[james2ko]

The Bible says this and the Bible says that... Please... don't let it chase you around the room or you'll start bashing people in the head with it. In all my life every talking bible I ever met didn't ad up to a free bowl of soup from a little old lady on a mission. I'm talking home made leftover soup... you know... with a foot in it?

I don't think Christ would agree with your anecdote. He quite often paraphrased those very words.

 

[Jacksnyte]

Nonsense !
The OT was given to ' Israel ' and the Jews are only a part of them. They may also teach from it but it is GOD-INSPIRED and as we see is somewhat different 'in part' from it's teaching. Why else would Jesus have found fault with them ?

Jesus was a jew, don't be foolish! Israel IS the Jewish people! Please tell me you are not really this daft! The Jews were the chosen people! This is why we refer to people of these religions as Judeo-christian! Do you ever do any research? Please! Crack a book! At least read some threads in this forum! I am frankly flabbergasted at the ignorance level in what you are saying!

 

[Civil Shephard]

I don't think Christ would agree with your anecdote. He quite often paraphrased those very words.

Did he put his foot in the soup too? Let's eat then!

 

[Beta]

Jesus was a jew, don't be foolish! Israel IS the Jewish people! Please tell me you are not really this daft! The Jews were the chosen people! This is why we refer to people of these religions as Judeo-christian! Do you ever do any research? Please! Crack a book! At least read some threads in this forum! I am frankly flabbergasted at the ignorance level in what you are saying!

Well now , of course Jesus was jewish from the tribe of Judah and also an Israelite. All Jews are Israel - but not all Israelites are Jews.This might be too much for you to grasp.
It so happened that Jacob (named Israel) had quite a few other sons who had different mothers so all were not jewish yet of Israel. Be that as it may the Jews certainly maintained the biblical Sabbath if not much else. Jesus found plenty faults with their religious teachings so we do not need to hold them up as religious paragons.
Jesus came looking for the lost sheep of the house of Israel not for lost sheep from the house of Judah since they are not lost.Two different houses my friend all of Israel. Jews are not the only ones !
And what do you think one can learn from this or any re. forum ? Don't you know that if you hold on to a blind man you both fall into the ditch ? :sarcastic

 

[james2ko]

Did he put his foot in the soup too? Let's eat then!

How about some Chicken-a-la-"Kings" from the OT and some "Romans" apple cake from the New..

 

[Jacksnyte]

Well now , of course Jesus was jewish from the tribe of Judah and also an Israelite. All Jews are Israel - but not all Israelites are Jews.This might be too much for you to grasp.
It so happened that Jacob (named Israel) had quite a few other sons who had different mothers so all were not jewish yet of Israel. Be that as it may the Jews certainly maintained the biblical Sabbath if not much else. Jesus found plenty faults with their religious teachings so we do not need to hold them up as religious paragons.
Jesus came looking for the lost sheep of the house of Israel not for lost sheep from the house of Judah since they are not lost.Two different houses my friend all of Israel. Jews are not the only ones !
And what do you think one can learn from this or any re. forum ? Don't you know that if you hold on to a blind man you both fall into the ditch ? :sarcastic

Ah, but not if that blind man is.......

DAREDEVIL!!!