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Why Admire This Man????
- Thread starter Eddi
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As a significantly secular Jew, I obviously do not build my faith around him.
At the same time, as a reasonably well informed Jew, I struggle to admire mythicists.
Did you admire Jesus beforehand? If yes, what did you admire about him?
Well, you either accept him as your savior or not. You have to believe you need a savior first, however.
His teachings and selflessness are why I liked him
But I now see that the truth of his teachings are independent of his status as a real man and are universal
And if he was truly God then his sacrifice means nothing, it makes the whole thing little more than a big drama
If he was an ordinary guy who chose to die for all our sins then the would be very different, but that's not what Christianity teaches
It's not that I no longer like him, it is more accurate to say I have dismissed him
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
He looks a bit like Ted Neeley.
All the miracles, basically
If he was just a teacher and a thinker then he would be more credible but for me the miracles spoil it
They may have made ancient people more keen to believe in him but they have had the opposite effect on me
Plus I don't believe in the Abrahamic God
I don't believe that, not now
I'm by no means perfect but neither do I reasonably deserve eternal torment in Hell
Which I very much doubt exists anyway.......
The moustache.
Wish I could grow one like that...
Wish I could grow one like that...
I like him for those things, especially his teachings.
The truth of his teachings are universal, but how many individuals embody them? If we met just one individual who really embodies those exact same teachings, we would hold that person in very high regard as our paragon. How then could we disassociate the truth of Jesus’ teachings from himself?
It would be a big drama, yes.
An ordinary guy as in only a human being? It would indeed be very different.
Mainstream Christianity doesn’t teach that. Monadic Christianity, of course, is not mainstream Christianity.
Nobody can meet the standards that Jesus sets
I mean, he is supposed to be without sin
10 Bible verses about Jesus Christ, Sinlessness
Yet Christianity tells us we are all sinners
That makes Jesus an irrelevant role model
If you're going to have someone as a role model then it needs to be possible to live up to their standards
By seeing that they represent the best of humanity and don't need to be embodied by some unrealistically perfect person who isn't really a person in the same way as everyone else is
It's now called Monadic Pantheistic Humanism
Sermon on the mount:
www.biblegateway.com
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 5 - Holman Christian Standard Bible
The Sermon on the Mount - When He saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain, and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him. Then He began to teach them, saying: The Beatitudes - “The poor in spirit are blessed, for the kingdom of heaven is theirs. Those who mourn are blessed, for they will...
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Jesus is not a myth. Jesus did exist. I believe Jesus is a holy soul
Why do you stop believing in him? I am just curious
You do not need to be christian to believe in Jesus. I am not christian
Many new agers believe in Jesus. That Jesus was a holy soul, with good teachings
Why do you stop believing in him? I am just curious
You do not need to be christian to believe in Jesus. I am not christian
Many new agers believe in Jesus. That Jesus was a holy soul, with good teachings
I very much doubt that he existed as he has been portrayed in the bible
Maybe as some kind of minor trouble-maker who managed to get himself crucified and who inspired the myth but not as the son of God or anything like that
And The Bible says he was the son of God - I cannot believe that
I stopped believing in the Abrahamic God
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
You do not need to be christian to believe in Jesus. I am not christian
Many new agers believe in Jesus. That Jesus was a holy soul, with good teachings
But if you believe he is God then that makes you a Christian
He explicitly said that he was God
So, to use CS Lewis's thinking, that would mean he was either Lord, Liar, or Lunatic - or never said that in the first place
I don't think he was Lord
So as far as I'm concerned, he either didn't say he was or was either a Liar or a Lunatic
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
He said "I and the father are one" - John 10:30
Also, check this out:
Did Jesus say He is God?
According to the bible he clearly said he was God
The entire concept of The Holy Trinity is based on the belief he is God