Why Agree with God?

[Naama]

I did some research in Wikipedia: Race and intelligence - Wikipedia

There is no logical standing to believe in a correlation in race and intelligence and IQ being constructed as intelligence is it's own can of worms.

All of the "evidence" people have put forth for this claim has been disproven, there is no logical reason to believe in this.

 

[robocop (actually)]

There is no logical standing to believe in a correlation in race and intelligence and IQ being constructed as intelligence is it's own can of worms.

All of the "evidence" people have put forth for this claim has been disproven, there is no logical reason to believe in this.

That's fine, I just believe it religiously... there is still unfair inequality based on race because of the differences in Africa and Europe. Inequality I want addressed.

 

[robocop (actually)]

There is no logical standing to believe in a correlation in race and intelligence and IQ being constructed as intelligence is it's own can of worms.

All of the "evidence" people have put forth for this claim has been disproven, there is no logical reason to believe in this.

Well, I should probably just quit. I've done no good for my cause or religion today. But please understand that in terms of systematic discrimination and respect, the important points of racism to me, I want to be as good about them as possible.

When I look at Jews like you and PopeADope, when I look at scientists like Einstein and Stan Tenen, when I look at Jews in the BIble and Jews I have known in real life, I think there is just more geniuses out of Jews than anyone else. That is my only evidence, but to me you understand, it seems real.​

 

[Trailblazer]

How do you know that he wasn't just fabricated?

I think there is enough historical evidence that Jesus existed.
However, I believe He existed because my religion verifies that.

 

[Naama]

Well, I should probably just quit. I've done no good for my cause or religion today. But please understand that in terms of systematic discrimination and respect, the important points of racism to me, I want to be as good about them as possible.

When I look at Jews like you and PopeADope, when I look at scientists like Einstein and Stan Tenen, when I look at Jews in the BIble and Jews I have known in real life, I think there is just more geniuses out of Jews than anyone else. That is my only evidence, but to me you understand, it seems real.​

You have to be blind to not see geniuses of other races, one just died.

 

[robocop (actually)]

There is no logical standing to believe in a correlation in race and intelligence and IQ being constructed as intelligence is it's own can of worms.

All of the "evidence" people have put forth for this claim has been disproven, there is no logical reason to believe in this.

You happen to be a Jew and you seem to be the smartest person on this thread... why don't you ask yourself "Why obey God?" The Jews in the BIble asked the same question, and did God ever knock them for asking!?

He still made them wander for 40 years though, so maybe be careful huh?!

 

[robocop (actually)]

You have to be blind to not see geniuses of other races, one just died.

Yes Stephen Hawking you must mean, but I've met and known lots of Jews. Also there is a small Jewish population.

 

[Naama]

I think there is enough historical evidence that Jesus existed.
However, I believe He existed because my religion verifies that.

......But don't Christians believe he said those things because of their religion?

And I believed that he must have been a false prophet if he existed because of my religion......

Why should we believe in these religions to begin with? Sure they can make us feel more secure and have a sense of purpose, but does that make them any more real?

 

[Naama]

You happen to be a Jew and you seem to be the smartest person on this thread... why don't you ask yourself "Why obey God?" The Jews in the BIble asked the same question, and did God ever knock them for asking!?

He still made them wander for 40 years though, so maybe be careful huh?!

I doubt I'm the smartest person on this thread and I know I'm not in this forum.

EDIT: Also yes, yes he did in the Torah.

 

[robocop (actually)]

You have to be blind to not see geniuses of other races, one just died.

I met an Asian Jew once who was just average. Thinking about the Jews I've known though, I was pretty impressed with most of them.

And yes I've been impressed with many others.

 

[robocop (actually)]

W

I doubt I'm the smartest person on this thread and I know I'm not in this forum.

EDIT: Also yes, yes he did in the Torah.

My IQ is 134 on the last test. Despite Schizophrenia which makes it much lower my working memory IQ is 149; that of a genius. How about yours? Didn't he say they were a well-choosing /chosen people?

 

[robocop (actually)]

I doubt I'm the smartest person on this thread and I know I'm not in this forum.

EDIT: Also yes, yes he did in the Torah.

By the way if you like just let me know and I'll shut up.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Honestly, I can think of a hal

I doubt I'm the smartest person on this thread and I know I'm not in this forum.

EDIT: Also yes, yes he did in the Torah.

Honsetly, I can think of 9 Jews I've known who were probably geniuses!

 

[robocop (actually)]

I doubt I'm the smartest person on this thread and I know I'm not in this forum.

EDIT: Also yes, yes he did in the Torah.

I'll just stop posting... besides we got off the point.

If God created mankind he does not have to respect it and can do with it as he pleases... there's nothing that says he can't kill us and there's nothing that says we can't kill each other or even off our whole human family. However besides some bumps at the beginning he's been pretty cool. The Holocaust and A-bombs are tough to understand, and my sympathy goes out to Jews.​

 

[Naama]

I'll just stop posting... besides we got off the point.

If God created mankind he does not have to respect it and can do with it as he pleases... there's nothing that says he can't kill us and there's nothing that says we can't kill each other or even off our whole human family. However besides some bumps at the beginning he's been pretty cool. The Holocaust and A-bombs are tough to understand, and my sympathy goes out to Jews.​

Can is not the same thing as should.

I believe we should feel sympathetic for every individual person, not specific peoples.

 

[MonkeyFire]

.....I'm sorry but what does that have to do with God's anger?

God doesn't have a Anger.

 

[74x12]

Isn't the whole point of the Garden of Eden story that humanity now has knowledge of good and evil "as gods?"

I wouldn't say it's the whole point. And I don't like to argue about the literal interpretation of the garden of delight story as I don't think people really know everything they should know.

If we don't have this, wouldn't that mean that we've somehow overcome the Fall and the saving grace of Christ's sacrifice is no longer needed?

But, that was Adam and Eve who ate the tree. Since then every child is born more or less innocent minded in my opinion. People necessarily learn right from wrong as they grow up. The conscious is like the since of taste. People learn what tastes good. What tastes sweet or bitter. What you eat as a child growing up can have a pretty permanent effect on your palate. So for example if you're from Korea you may love Kimchi but if you're from USA you may not like it. To expand the analogy some more. There may be some really good flavors that you at first "taste" do not like at all. But, as you grow older you develop your appreciation of those flavors and "learn" to love them. And you realize that you were missing out all those years. In this way you can be wrong about what is moral or immoral as well.

So, although our conscious may now be flawed in some ways. That doesn't mean that our conscious is always wrong all the time. Therefore our conscious continues to function as a witness against us proving that we have done wrong. So we do need forgiveness and ultimately a Savior.

 

[Trailblazer]

Trailblazer said: I think there is enough historical evidence that Jesus existed.
However, I believe He existed because my religion verifies that.

......But don't Christians believe he said those things because of their religion?.

Christians beleive in Jesus and what he said because of the Bible.

And I believed that he must have been a false prophet if he existed because of my religion......

You mean because of Judaism?

Why should we believe in these religions to begin with? Sure they can make us feel more secure and have a sense of purpose, but does that make them any more real?

If they were revealed by God, that is the reason we should believe them. However, it makes no sense to believe in religions that are thousands of years old, when God revealed a new religion, the Baha'i Faith, in the 19th century.

 

[Etritonakin]

......If God is all powerful he could have found another way to do things couldn't he?

No -that is much too simplistic.
God -alone -WAS all-powerful -then he -retaining authority -gave POWER to his only begotten Son -called the FIRSTBORN OF MANY BRETHREN.
Power is the ability to decide what will be -and he is is giving SOME OF that to us.

If you believe that God is powerful enough to make the most basic truth about himself untruth -you are incorrect. He is all that exists aware of himself -HE IS THAT IS.
He is all-powerful in that he decides the complex course of the most basic truth.
His power is derived from understanding of the most basic truth of his own nature completely -and from his position. We have limited power because we are only a fraction of all things, and we are not connected to all things in such a manner as to manipulate all things. He is the mind of all things which compose what could be likened to his body. We are the mind of a portion of all things which compose our own bodies. Our minds and bodies are a portion of him made separate logically -we are separate in some ways, but still a part of the whole which he is.

It is not possible to have power over that which can not be completely understood.

The most basic truth about the most basic truth is that THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO DO THINGS -and that if you do otherwise, you destroy your ability to do things.

There is a stable foundation of absolute truth and logic -which God IS.

God cannot make himself what he is not -ONLY WHAT HE WAS NOT.

What we might believe about God is not necessarily what he has stated about himself.

God cannot change absolute truth -but is master of it -just as we cannot truly change mathematics -but can employ it to become more powerful. God is composed of that which is absolutely true.

Mathematics and such things are aspects of his own nature.
He is not able to change the fact that one is one, two is two -he IS those true things personified.
He is the most high -the sum of all things -deciding the course of all things based on the reality of all things which cannot change -yet can be reconfigured -made more complex.

Anything is possible -but only in the way that it is possible.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Because He is the foundation of all existence? "For in Him we move and have our being." - Acts 17:28

Granted, I used to believe that there was no such thing as objective (or universal) morality or ethics, too. I viewed God as a rhetorical device in such discussions. Even if He did exist, it was just one perspective among many. But I'm not sure now.