Why are 'messengers', 'prophets', 'avataras' always male?

[SomeRandom]

Well there is Mohini
Mohini - Wikipedia

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

One priest told me that because Christ is male, and Christ is god, god is male. That and the church is female so no homosexual marriage (rats), so the broom must be male. Also, males have political advantage.

That priest is really ignorant.

 

[Rival]

That priest is really ignorant.

What happened to 'No male nor female...'

He really is.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That priest is really ignorant.

I doubt it.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - "He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, and born of the Virgin Mary"

Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 3 ARTICLE 9 PARAGRAPH 2

You never heard that expression?

It's not the priests opinion. The Church has many names with the relationship it (the body of believers) has with Christ.

Another

Three aspects of the Church as the Body of Christ are to be more specifically noted: the unity of all her members with each other as a result of their union with Christ; Christ as head of the Body; and the Church as bride of Christ. [521]

... As for his sex, he would have to be male for the church to be his bride

 

[Unveiled Artist]

As for if it's morally right or wrong, silly or not is irrelevant. It's the churches teaching.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

This is an extension from Salix's thread on the gender of god.

Personally I don't believe in any of the ideas in the title, and one of the reasons is that they're always male, which seems a very human thing, and not a godly thing. So those of who do believe in God descending to a man, etc., can you give a reason and defend it for Christ, Muhammad, Baha'ullah, Krishna, Rama, always being male. Would it have been so hard for your God to have come to earth is a female body for once?

I think Mankind was and is stil not yet ready. It may be the future will be different.

Men are yet to find the required humility. Given what men did to male Messengers, what do you think they would have done to femal Messengers!

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What happened to 'No male nor female...'

He really is.

It means male or female came come to Christ. No sex discrimination. It doesn't refer to the Christian savior just the people who believe can without prejudice of sex.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I doubt it.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - "He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, and born of the Virgin Mary"

Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 3 ARTICLE 9 PARAGRAPH 2

You never heard that expression?

It's not the priests opinion. The Church has many names with the relationship it (the body of believers) has with Christ.

Another

Three aspects of the Church as the Body of Christ are to be more specifically noted: the unity of all her members with each other as a result of their union with Christ; Christ as head of the Body; and the Church as bride of Christ. [521]

... As for his sex, he would have to be male for the church to be his bride

He was ignorant in saying that God is male because Christ is a human male. That's just incorrect. His statement about gay marriage is wrong, too. He is taking things way too literally. The Church as a bride is a metaphor and I notice some conservative Catholics take it way too literally.

 

[`mud]

I am amazed at how far people try to humanize `God` !

 

[Unveiled Artist]

He was ignorant in saying that God is male because Christ is a human male. That's just incorrect. His statement about gay marriage is wrong, too. He is taking things way too literally. The Church as a bride is a metaphor and I notice some conservative Catholics take it way too literally.

He never said if he took it literal or not. I never read into it since it isn't something I take as a personal belief.

To put context, I spoke with one priest and asked if he "actually" see Christ as the Eucharist. He said no. It was his essence not him physically. (Real presence etc)

All the priests I spoke with knew the difference but because they are so pulled to their faith not many questioned them about the language use. It makes fundamentalist think they actually drink real blood.

Catholics believe Christ is god. Right or wrong is irrelevant. Since Christ is male, that's how they refer to god. Male as in father. Etc.

I think you read too much into my comment. He never said literal. He just said Christ is male so are apostles. The church is the bride and Christ is the groom.

The church teaches male and female marry. Not two men or two women. It's based on Christ and the church (as so their doctrine). The reasoning behind their view of marriage makes sense. Right or wrong is irrelevant (well, to me is).

It's the language.

Ask a Catholic if he is drinking blood from a human body (DNA, etc), he'd probably be shocked.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

He never said if he took it literal or not. I never read into it since it isn't something I take as a personal belief.

To put context, I spoke with one priest and asked if he "actually" see Christ as the Eucharist. He said no. It was his essence not him physically.

All the priests I spoke with knew the difference but because they are so pulled to their faith not many questioned them about the language use. It makes fundamentalist think they actually drink real blood.

Catholics believe Christ is god. Right or wrong is irrelevant. Since Christ is male, that's how they refer to god. Male as in father. Etc.

I think you read too much into my comment. He never said literal. He just said Christ is male so are apostles. The church is the bride and Christ is the groom.

The church teaches male and female marry. Not two men or two women. It's based on Christ and the church (as so their doctrine). The reasoning behind their view of marriage makes sense. Right or wrong is irrelevant (well, to me is).

It's the language.

Ask a Catholic if he is drinking blood from a human body (DNA, etc), he'd probably be shocked.

I'm a Catholic. I know the beliefs you're referring to. It's a certain way of interpreting the concept of the Church being the bride of Christ that can be used to excuse sexism and homophobia. I think their view of it is wrong, and it's not necessarily the logical conclusion.

 

[Revoltingest]

They say 'God picked me" yes. But if 'God' was that smart, he'd pick a talking dog, just to show off his miraculous power. Even I would probably sit through a dog's speech.

A singing frog would be more impressive than a talking dog.

I guess a corollary question is 'Would you listen to a woman 'prophet'?"

Just as much as the male ones.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Which makes me wonder. When Jesus was on the cross and his mother looked up under his blood (I think she had a cup?) Did she drink it?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm a Catholic. I know the beliefs you're referring to. It's a certain way of interpreting the concept of the Church being the bride of Christ that can be used to excuse sexism and homophobia. I think their view of it is wrong, and it's not necessarily the logical conclusion.

I see it's logical and I disagree with it. I don't think right and wrong play here. Just what the priest told me in answer to the OP.

I was wondering if you really didn't know this. Puzzled me. But @Vinayaka can use the links as reference.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I see it's logical and I disagree with it. I don't think right and wrong play here. Just what the priest told me in answer to the OP.

I was wondering if you really didn't know this. Puzzled me. But @Vinayaka can use the links as reference.

I just think their interpretation of that concept is incorrect. I understand their view but don't agree with it.

 

[exchemist]

This is an extension from Salix's thread on the gender of god.

Personally I don't believe in any of the ideas in the title, and one of the reasons is that they're always male, which seems a very human thing, and not a godly thing. So those of who do believe in God descending to a man, etc., can you give a reason and defend it for Christ, Muhammad, Baha'ullah, Krishna, Rama, always being male. Would it have been so hard for your God to have come to earth is a female body for once?

I suspect it is purely a matter of the prevailing culture at the time. It would have been quite hard for a woman to have had the freedom to travel around, to speak and be listened to and generally to be an authority, in many of these ancient societies. The Christian church has had a fairly good number of women saints from its earliest days however, starting with Mary. While these may not have been prophets, they are revered role models, to whom prayers are directed.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I just think their interpretation of that concept is incorrect. I understand their view but don't agree with it.

Do you think the priests are taking it so literal that they believe they drink real blood at communion?

I mean the language is literal, but I've always had wine. I never talked with a Catholic who drink real blood. Disagreement is fine, but literal?

In what way?

 

[PureX]

They aren't always male. There are many female oracles throughout history. But it's the male oracles that have been held up for adulation by the (male) powers that be in the last several millennium, for obvious reasons (to maintain their hold on social control).

 

[sun rise]

But to answer the OP, what self respecting guy is going to listen to a woman???

The answer is anyone who is wise or wishes to be wise.

Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, for one.
Upon the sea of the world unfolds the lotus of the New Day,
And there the Mother sits enshrined in blissful majesty.
See how the bees are mad with joy, sipping the nectar there!

Behold the Mother's radiant face, which so enchants the heart
And captivates the universe! About Her Lotus Feet
Bands of ecstatic holy men are dancing in delight.

What matchless loveliness is Hers! What infinite content
Pervades the heart when She appears! O brothers, says Premdas,
I humbly beg you, one and all, to sing the Mother's praise!

In India, there are chants "Radha Krishna", "Sita Ram", putting the feminine first. There are female figures of striking power such as Kali.

In the Islamic Sufi tradition, there's Rabia of Basra:
If I adore You out of fear of Hell, burn me in Hell!
If I adore you out of desire for Paradise,
Lock me out of Paradise.
But if I adore you for Yourself alone,
Do not deny to me Your eternal beauty.”

 

[ChristineM]

The answer is anyone who is wise or wishes to be wise.

Unfortunately there are (or were not in the time of seers, messengers and prophets) not many men who considered wisdom can come from a woman. Perhaps i should qualify that and say male believers in the abrahamic god who have always considered women should shut up and do as they are told

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Timothy 2:12

And many other verses commanding a woman should shut up and accept their lot