Why are Muslims killing each other?

[Autodidact]

Usually has little to do with their religion IMHO because it could be lack of water or poverty which is an ever present problem in the mostly arid countries across the Sahara and the Middle East.

Well that's an interesting hypothesis. Let's look at some of the world's other arid regions and see whether this is happening. Are non-Muslim Mongolians, Australians, Arizonans and Namibians, killing each other in suicide bombings?

Or poverty: do we see this in Zimbabwe, Haiti, Madagascar, Nepal, Senegal, Tuvalu, or Laos? Of course, this question is confused by the fact that most of the world's poorest countries are also Muslim-majority.

 

[Autodidact]

hello i would like to respond somethings you say above but excuse me. i am having my exam week. but i have one question. do you sincerely believe media in this world is trustworthy? please note that i think it is not and i am not saying this only for Western media. our media is perfectly corrupted too. IMO they lost their purpose and become buyable political tools to manipulate masses

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I think it varies, and overall, especially when you listen to a variety of sources, is more trustworthy than a single anonymous poster on the internet.

Where do you get your news from?

 

[linwood]

I guess I'd be Protestant....they have the revoltingest sounding name.
Now, where are some Catholic atheists?

I`m a Catholic atheist!

The Church doesn`t let you go once your baptized no matter what.
Even if I converted to Protestant atheism the Catholic church would still consider me a Catholic atheist.
I can`t win.

Stephen has a point about killing for Catholic or Protestant atheism.
In his country religion built very deep strong roots into the culture itself.

 

[Revoltingest]

I`m a Catholic atheist!

To arms!
Willie's fist shakes at thee!
Beware my fell shovel, atheist scum!

 

[Autodidact]

One needs to remember that these are cultures and a religion where so-called purity is an important value. If you value purity, you cannot tolerate anyone who does not share your religious views. To do so would make you impure. To avoid that, you kill those who disagree with you.

There is nothing as effective as ideas of purity and honour for promoting mayhem.

I think Looncall has hit on one of the contributing causes. If you add to this poverty, war, and religious teaching and culture that rewards martyrdom, martyrs and their families (and considers suicide bombers martyrs), that's another big piece. But specifically, today, why are Muslims killing other Muslims? Is it Shia vs. Sunni? Is that what's going on?

 

[Autodidact]

>>>Why are Muslims killing each other?<<<

Why are you seeing Muslims killing each other ?

Because I listen to the news, and they do.

When I turn on the radio and hear about someone blowing themselves up in a crowded market, I envision women there trying to buy food for the week, to feed their families, killed, and their children hungry and motherless, I identify with them, and ask myself what caused it. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Also I'm sure it's just a contemporary example of something that has happened throughout history in different times and places, and we can learn something from it to help us learn how to reduce this sort of thing.

 

[Autodidact]

My point is this - Muslims are no different to anyone else or any other group.
Martyrdom isn't unique to Muslim culture - remember the Hunger Strikes in this country - I haven't heard of any Muslims starving themselves to death. Maybe we're even nuttier in 'Christian' lands?
Markets - remember Omagh? That wasn't long ago.
In this country the 'dissident Republicans' are trying for a 'spectacular' at the moment and the only reason they haven't had one is good intelligence work by British and Irish security forces.

I don't accept there is an inherent "difference" between me and any Muslim. Between 'Western' and 'Muslim' or 'Christian' and 'Muslim'

Saying that Muslims are strapping on bombs and wandering into crowded market places "in droves" is frankly bonkers.

Of course I think the powers that be in 'the West' want it thought that Muslims are crazies who don't value life and love their families and neighbours in exactly the same fashion as people in Chicago, London or Paris. It makes it easier for the public in our countries to stomach it when various 'Western' armies drop tons and tons of high explosives and empty countless rounds of ammunition on them.
Sure they're not like us at all.

I think this is true, and not-true. All people are much the same, all over the world. We have the same basic genes, same brains, same potential. But what happens to people, and what they believe, affects their actions. Walking down a street in Port Au Prince is not the same as walking down the street in Copenhagen. The people act differently.

So it is a fact that right now, today, many Muslim people are struggling with violence, and committing violence, including against each other. Not because they're inherently different, but because of what has happened to them, and what they believe.

So, if we see a lot of Muslim suicide bombers killing other Muslims, and we do, then I think we can ask ourselves what has happened to this group of people, and what do they believe, that is causing it. When a young man straps explosives to his chest, walks into a mosque and blows himself up--why did he do that? What went into that decision? What factors led to that moment?

People have mentioned gain, poverty, and a desire for purity as contributing causes.

But I'm sure you're right. If we can figure it out, it will apply to, or at least shed light on Tamils, Irish, and anyone else who does this sort of thing.

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

I haven't researched it, but my impression from listening to the news is that Muslim terrorists kill more Muslims than non-Muslims. What's up with that? What are Muslims killing each other over?

Terrorism is a good enough answer for me.

 

[Autodidact]

please let me know if you could recall any Muslim bombing a Mosque before USA entered Muslim land.

What date do you consider this to have happened?

IMO first bomb that killed Muslims performing salaats in mosques was never done by a Muslim.

What bomb might that be?

it was the same in Iraq. putting a bomb in Shii region and make it look like Sunnis did it was a very simple trick and Muslims bought it. now there is civil war.

So someone is killing themselves and other people and pretending to be Muslim?

please consider this fact that it was not Muslim who started this fire.

What fire?

there've been sections for centuries. it is true there is conflict but there was certain ammount of toleration let alone targeting civilians in mosques UNTIL USA has started war on Islam (btw of course USA is not alone there) obviously some people sold their nation and no, they are not all Muslims, naturally.

What USA war on Islam, and when do you consider it to have started?

there are tones of tribes from other religions in Middle East and USA supports either those who has nothing to do with Islam or those who could be bought by money. just because they share the land does not mean they share the belief just like because someone was born into Muslim family means he follows the path that leads to God

So you think the people who are doing this are not True Muslims?

O.K., lets not go down that rabbit hole. Just call them so-called Muslims. It's not my job to figure out who is a True Muslim. I understand it's Allah's.

.lava. It sounds like you look to blame everyone except the people who are doing it. It's the U.S., it's non-Muslims. A Muslim kills 50 Muslims, and according to you it's the fault of people on the other side of the world? Is there something about being Muslim that prevents you from taking responsibility for your own actions?

 

[Autodidact]

Terrorism is a good enough answer for me.

Isn't that more of a name than an explanation?

 

[.lava]

How do you know? After all, you said the media is untrustworthy.

there was either bombings or not. there was not before and there is now. i have never said there isn't. if bombing mosques was a common act upon radicals before, then that would be another issue. i personally know exactly what has changed in the region. i hope that answers your question, Mr.

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[Autodidact]

there was either bombings or not. there was not before and there is now. i have never said there isn't. if bombing mosques was a common act upon radicals before, then that would be another issue. i personally know exactly what has changed in the region. i hope that answers your question, Mr.

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Before what? Before when? When did these bombings start? When did whatever you are referring to as changing change?

 

[.lava]

I think it varies, and overall, especially when you listen to a variety of sources, is more trustworthy than a single anonymous poster on the internet.

Where do you get your news from?

no Muslim who loves Islam is trustworthy to you, single or a billion makes no difference. besides, i don't intent to change your opinion; i only intent to make mine heard by others.

there's nothing new. history repeats

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[outhouse]

And my question is, what is that about?

43 different sects with their own steadfast beliefs that makes everyone else wrong in their eyes

spreading fear is what its about when its a terrorist action

 

[Autodidact]

no Muslim who loves Islam is trustworthy to you, single or a billion makes no difference.

First of all, what are you talking about and what does it have to do with this thread? This thread is not about me; it's about what is happening, and why. Why are you making it about me?

Second, let me know when you learn how to read minds. Until then, don't tell me what I think or why.

besides, i don't intent to change your opinion; i only intent to make mine heard by others.

Well, you did. You told us that the Muslims who are doing this are not really Muslims. Not very helpful.

So, in your view, who is doing this, and why? And why are they pretending to be Muslims?

there's nothing new. history repeats

Fascinating. Not.

So basically hundreds of innocent Muslims are killed every year, and you are completely uninterested to try to figure out who or why?

Oh, and the question you didn't answer. Where do you get your news from?

 

[Autodidact]

Alright, I return from my trip to Googlia, having read some of the history of suicide bombing. It goes back to 1981 and Lebanon. It has at times been an effective tactic. There's a lot to understand about the crucial role of public support. It's not a lone individual. It's an entire culture that supports, loves, encourages and respects these young men. Also the circumstances of their lives, their lack of future prospects, and their desire for revenge. Also their religious beliefs, which they are totally sincere, that they will receive eternal reward for this. So basically they can donate their lousy, unfulfilled, unloved, poverty stricken earthly life, and get Allah's eternal reward of life in paradise with every earthly pleasure, especially sex.

In the last five years or so, public opinion has begun to turn against this tactic, and some Muslim leaders and clerics have begun to speak out against it. In some cases, these are the next targets. So it's a tactical decision, in order to facilitate suicide bombing as a tactic, to attack the people who are trying to stop it--other Muslims. It's a deliberate tactic to silence critics of this tactic.

That's one category.

 

[.lava]

First of all, what are you talking about and what does it have to do with this thread? This thread is not about me; it's about what is happening, and why. Why are you making it about me?

non sense. it is you who made it personal by implying i am not trustworthy

Second, let me know when you learn how to read minds. Until then, don't tell me what I think or why.

Well, you did. You told us that the Muslims who are doing this are not really Muslims. Not very helpful.

i say what i think. i don't care for what you think.

So, in your view, who is doing this, and why? And why are they pretending to be Muslims?

i haven't even used the word 'pretenders'

So basically hundreds of innocent Muslims are killed every year, and you are completely uninterested to try to figure out who or why?

i know why. the reason that concerns Western nations is what's beneath their feet. the region between Middle East and Asia contains 3/4 of all resources of entire planet. as Rice said once, USA plans to change maps of 22 Muslim nations and they are doing it. do you know what it means to say we will redraw borders of 22 nations? probably not

if you'll excuse me now i've got things to do

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[waitasec]

I haven't researched it, but my impression from listening to the news is that Muslim terrorists kill more Muslims than non-Muslims. What's up with that? What are Muslims killing each other over?

because poverty breeds ignorance no matter where...

 

[Autodidact]

non sense. it is you who made it personal by implying i am not trustworthy

I don't remember implying anything of the kind. Here's what I said:

Because there is not the slightest shred of evidence for it. For it to be true, every major news source, including Xin Hua and Al Jazeera, would have to be wrong. Because you're some anonymous person on the internet, and you're denying hundreds of reports from every major news agency in the world. For starters.

Are you not some anonymous person on the internet? If an RF poster says one thing, and every news agency in the world says another, who do you think it's reasonable to believe?

i say what i think. i don't care for what you think.

Well, what you think appears to be incorrect, and that's the point.

i haven't even used the word 'pretenders'

O.K., so who do you think went into the bazaar in Faryab province this week and blew up 9 people?

i know why. the reason that concerns Western nations is what's beneath their feet. the region between Middle East and Asia contains 3/4 of all resources of entire planet. as Rice said once, USA plans to change maps of 22 Muslim nations and they are doing it. do you know what it means to say we will redraw borders of 22 nations? probably not

And this causes Muslims to kill themselves and other Muslims because....?

btw, I question your statistic. Source?

if you'll excuse me now i've got things to do

Entirely up to you.

 

[Sajdah]

... it is not 100% sure they are Muslims. you get your news from a media who serves a governemnt who invades Muslim nations and kill Muslims. it is always the same. what you hear fits the image of Muslim you have in your mind. that's all; someone who's barbaric, someone who don't mind killing people.

well, enjoy being fullfilled with your negativity about Muslims. i am not going to believe what Americans say about what's going on in Muslim nations because they are there in those nations to steal and to destroy. oh, you haven't heard on news?....wow just wow ..


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Well said .lava :clap
What's happening in Muslim countries is the product of occupation, and western interference in our societies. But this doesn't mean that Muslims are excused from responsibility, unfortunately there are Muslims who have betrayed their religion and countries and took the enemies' side, so both are responsible the current circumstances...