Why are people so quick to criticise the Catholic Church?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

My assertion is that among the primary factors driving modern anti-Catholicism is precisely the Church's conservatism. It is one of the few (important) institutions in the western world which has not completely embraced (or rather capitulated to) the progressivist cultural hegemony.

Indeed: for instance, in support of a conservative position on abolitionism, it ran workhouses for slaves until 1996.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_asylum

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

My assertion is that among the primary factors driving modern anti-Catholicism is precisely the Church's conservatism. It is one of the few (important) institutions in the western world which has not completely embraced (or rather capitulated to) the progressivist cultural hegemony.

Indeed: for instance, it ran workhouses for slaves until 1996.

Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_asylum

The RCC, like any institution out there, has seen it's fair share of scandals and those scandals ought to be addressed. It is clear, though, that there is a very intense anti-catholic sentiment that has been around for quite some time and that drives people to go into territories of not merely providing fair criticism but just trying to defame the RCC in any way possible.

Portraying all priests as pedophiles, ranting over and blowing out of proportion the Vatican's wealth, taking catholic teachings out of context or twisting the RCC officials' words (just look at the recent allegation about pope Francis denying the existence of hell) and the list goes on.

The RCC is certainly to blame for some of the negative sentiment it has received but the amount which is present in the general public is really unwarranted.

Can you name any other organization that engaged in human trafficking to the tune of 300,000 people and was allowed to continue to exist?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-baby-trafficking-Catholic-church-Spain.html

 

[YeshuaRedeemed]

I agree with Catholics on the Trinity, but disagree with them on other things. I was almost operated on by a Catholic surgeon for no reason, and I am not happy about them opposing safe legal and rare, opposing the consensual suicide of paralytics or terminal patients. Basically, my personal op[position to them is how they oppose the right of people to make diffult choices. I guess my issue is more that they want to combine religion and state, than their actual individual right to their personal religious beliefs. I like regular Catholics, but as with my own faith, the leadership can be too corrupt, and too extreme.

 

[paarsurrey]

Why do people point their finger at Catholics and say the Catholics are the sinners or the 'stupid' denomination?

Anything Catholic individuals do wrong is blamed on the Church as a whole. That is wrong.

Catholics could also laugh at the Protestants: the Anglican church was set up so Henry VIII could remarry and Mormonism's Joseph Smith couldn't read the same plates twice. Westboro Baptist Church is also a Protestant Church.

I believe that they all (the 32000+ denominations of Christianity) have drifted away from what Jesus and Mary believed, acted and taught. Their i.e. the Christianity's doing this have provided Atheism (and the like some 17 Kinds of Atheism positions) a space mostly in the West.
One is welcome to correct me, if one believes otherwise, with reason and arguments if any or with none, if none, please.

Regards

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I believe that they all (the 32000+ denominations of Christianity) have drifted away from what Jesus and Mary believed, acted and taught. Their i.e. the Christianity's doing this have provided Atheism (and the like some 17 Kinds of Atheism positions) a space mostly in the West.
One is welcome to correct me, if one believes otherwise, with reason and arguments if any or with none, if none, please.

Regards

There are plenty of atheists in the Muslim world, but harsh treatment of atheists keeps them closeted.

 

[Looncall]

Indeed: for instance, in support of a conservative position on abolitionism, it ran workhouses for slaves until 1996.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_asylum

One could also mention the residential schools and the "sixties scoop" scandals in Canada. When Catholics are given power, misery results.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

One could also mention the residential schools and the "sixties scoop" scandals in Canada. When Catholics are given power, misery results.

Many other denominations were implicated in the Sixties Scoop... even "tolerant" and "progressive" liberal Protestant denominations.

The lesson I take from that shameful episode from Canadian history is that when religions are given power, misery results. For historical reasons, the Catholic Church happens to be the state religion in lots of places, so a lot of abuses of secularism tend to be Catholic, but the residential schools scandal showed us that when even the United Church is given access to governmental power, horrible abuses happen.

 

[paarsurrey]

There are plenty of atheists in the Muslim world, but harsh treatment of atheists keeps them closeted.

Not as much as in the Christendom or in the West. Right, please?
Regards

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Not as much as in the Christendom or in the West. Right, please?
Regards

I don't know of any Christian-majority country or country with a Christian official church where they have the death penalty for atheism or apostasy. There are many Muslim countries that do.

 

[metis]

Outside of the fact that the Roman Catholic Church has handed the keys to the church over to the homosexual community around the world and people around the world have noticed it.

Where in the world did you get this from? Do you have any clue at all about Catholic teachings on homosexual sex?

Money, property and land and buildings that The Catholics across the planet have lost that could have been used to help the poor and needy-

The CC has the largest amount of charitable giving than any other denomination.

In 2000 years of Roman Catholicism, There has never been a single Non-Catholic Saint

False, as there are saints they share with the Orthodox faith. Also, it is not their role to declare which people may be saints in other denominations or religions, nor do they presume there aren't any outside of Catholicism.

Roman Catholicism, as a system, only wants its followers to fit in and be loved and accepted, respected and social workers for the Vatican Primates / " FATHERS " as they tear down and totally dismantle the Hebrew and Greek Biblical manuscript message. That is all that the system wants until that has been accomplished, then on to a new similar goal. There are just too many Catholics and Muslims to judge them all based on the leaders.

There are thousands of Christian denominations and, in most cases, why such separations exist is usually due to differing interpretations.

If you spent more time studying what you are about to post, then you'd have far less errors.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The CC has the largest amount of charitable giving than any other denomination.

That doesn't negate the point, though. I'm sure that the Coca-Cola Corporation spends much more on charitable work than my local homeless shelter does, but that doesn't mean that Coca-Cola is more charitable; it just means it's much larger.

 

[metis]

That doesn't negate the point, though. I'm sure that the Coca-Cola Corporation spends much more on charitable work than my local homeless shelter does, but that doesn't mean that Coca-Cola is more charitable; it just means it's much larger.

Yes, but when is enough enough?

Catholics are not required to tithe, so per congregant charitable spending tends to be lower than the Protestant churches that do tithe. OTOH, priests tend to make less than Protestant pastors for their work.

The point simply is they do a lot of charitable work, and I've seen this first hand for many years. To some, it will never be enough even if every Catholic church was sold and they met in grass shacks.

But, not to be snarky, what business is this of yours? This is "charity" we're talking about, so how much they may give I would suggest is their business to decide. If it's not enough, iyo, maybe you can contribute more to make up the rest. But I would never tell you how much you must contribute because it's really none of my business.

I know the above sounds sarcastic, but that's not really my intent. But what I can't figure out is why you have such an interest in what the church does internally, and it seems that it's always negative?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes, but when is enough enough?

Catholics are not required to tithe, so per congregant charitable spending tends to be lower than the Protestant churches that do tithe. OTOH, priests tend to make less than Protestant pastors for their work.

The point simply is they do a lot of charitable work, and I've seen this first hand for many years. To some, it will never be enough even if every Catholic church was sold and they met in grass shacks.

Seeing how the Catholic Church owns its own bank, I can't imagine that they're hurting for cash.

But, not to be snarky, what business is this of yours? This is "charity" we're talking about, so how much they may give I would suggest is their business to decide. If it's not enough, iyo, maybe you can contribute more to make up the rest. But I would never tell you how much you must contribute because it's really none of my business.

I know the above sounds sarcastic, but that's not really my intent. But what I can't figure out is why you have such an interest in what the church does internally, and it seems that it's always negative?

As I touched on early in the thread: Catholic schools are the only religious schools that get funded by my tax dollars, so that entitles me to a say in their "internal" affairs. If I'm going to pay for Catholic doctrine to be taught to kids, then I get to pass judgement on whether it's suitable for kids.

On top of that, when they cross the line into criminal and morally reprehensible acts, whether we're talking about trafficking in stolen babies in Spain, enslaving women in Ireland, killing First Nations cultures in residential schools in Canada, or sheltering child abusers pretty much everywhere, it's the business of anyone and everyone who believes in justice and human rights.

I asked @Apologes a question, but maybe you can answer: can you name any other organization that engaged in human trafficking to the tune of 300,000 people and was allowed to continue to exist?

 

[metis]

Seeing how the Catholic Church owns its own bank, I can't imagine that they're hurting for cash.


As I touched on early in the thread: Catholic schools are the only religious schools that get funded by my tax dollars, so that entitles me to a say in their "internal" affairs. If I'm going to pay for Catholic doctrine to be taught to kids, then I get to pass judgement on whether it's suitable for kids.

On top of that, when they cross the line into criminal and morally reprehensible acts, whether we're talking about trafficking in stolen babies in Spain, enslaving women in Ireland, killing First Nations cultures in residential schools in Canada, or sheltering child abusers pretty much everywhere, it's the business of anyone and everyone who believes in justice and human rights.

I asked @Apologes a question, but maybe you can answer: can you name any other organization that engaged in human trafficking to the tune of 300,000 people and was allowed to continue to exist?

bigotry
[big-uh-tree]
noun, plural big·ot·ries.

1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

 

[JustWondering]

Why do people point their finger at Catholics and say the Catholics are the sinners or the 'stupid' denomination?

Anything Catholic individuals do wrong is blamed on the Church as a whole. That is wrong.

Catholics could also laugh at the Protestants: the Anglican church was set up so Henry VIII could remarry and Mormonism's Joseph Smith couldn't read the same plates twice. Westboro Baptist Church is also a Protestant Church.

They protected pedophiles, used child labor for their own gain, laundered money for criminal organizations, didn't speak out when the third reich was running around, sold indulgences (they are greedy aren't they?), are sexist, tortured people, endorsed holy wars and teach people not to use birth control. I'm sure the list goes on but that's what I got off the top of my head. If any other organization did half the things these guys did they wouldn't exist anymore, no one would put up with them. However, since they are a religious organization people give them a pass.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

bigotry
[big-uh-tree]
noun, plural big·ot·ries.

1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Since you’re resorting to insults, I take it that you don’t have a proper response.

Are you okay with human trafficking generally, or is it only the Catholic Church that you give a free pass to?

 

[Estro Felino]

Seeing how the Catholic Church owns its own bank, I can't imagine that they're hurting for cash.

bigotry
[big-uh-tree]
noun, plural big·ot·ries.

1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

His is not bigotry. The IOR aka Vatican Bank is still under investigation for money-laundering.
Only in this decade people are exposing the truth, that is, that Pope Wojtyla used laundered money to finance Solidarnosc...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

@metis - if you do think that charity erases crime, then you should love this story:

The video, which I have seen, shows the gangsters unloading boxes of blankets, water, instant ramen noodles, bean sprouts, flashlights, batteries, paper nappies, toilet rolls: all the essentials of daily life in front of the still-standing City Hall. They were noisy, but fast and efficient. When they were done, they nodded to the city officials who watched on, and left. Another group would come back to the Tohoku region the next day.

The Japanese have been here before. After the great Kobe earthquake in 1995, the Yamaguchi-gumi, the largest of the yakuza groups, which has its fortress-like headquarters in the city, gathered supplies from all around the country and brought them to the stricken residents, dispensing hot food from their offices, patrolling the streets to keep down looting. The mobsters were lauded for being faster and more efficient than the government relief effort – goodwill on which they have been capitalising for over a decade.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ans-mafia-launched-an-aid-effort-2264031.html

 

[metis]

Since you’re resorting to insults, I take it that you don’t have a proper response.

Are you okay with human trafficking generally, or is it only the Catholic Church that you give a free pass to?

It is only through your own ignorance that you believe I give the RCC a "free pass". I have criticized the church on many occasions, and I have never defended the church's many atrocities. The issue was "charity", not what happened in Spain, which is why I didn't respond to the latter that further feeds your bigotry.

Why are you here at "Religious Forums"? If I don't like chess, why would I post at a "Chess Forums" website? If I don't like fishing, why would I post at a "Fishing Forums" website? So, why are you here at "Religious Forums" if you don't like religion? Seems that you're here to tell people how stupid they are if they believe in a god or gods.

And you're a "Staff Member"? I used to be a moderator at another site, and one thing we had to be careful of is to not to be bigoted when doing our job. You, otoh, clearly cannot do that.

I am an agnostic if you remember, and we should be on the "same side", but I simply cannot do that with you because you simply just keep piling hot coals on Catholics for one. I don't belong to that church, and I haven't spend a penny on them in around 25 years (my wife does since she's Catholic), and there isn't a thing they teach that I agree with when it comes to their basic theology.

But why I often defend them is because of the anti-Catholic bigotry that you and several others spew on a regular basis. I have done much the same with some other groups as well.

The arrogant bigotry by some, including you, turns my stomach because it's so unfair. Yes, there are many things the church has done wrong, as have other churches, other religions, agnostics (which I am), and atheists. So, maybe it's time for you to take your hate-filled blinders off and see for yourself that you, or any group you may belong to, are no better than anyone else.

Yes, this gets "personal" with me, and yes I'm getting "personal" with you, so if this post leads me to getting banned here at RF, so be it. I really do like it here, including many of the people, but like so many of these sites one of the down sides is it tends to attract a lot of know-it-alls with an agenda and an ax to grind, such as you have.

Either way, I'm done with you, and I may well be kicked out of here anyway, so this could well be my last post here at RF. It's been a good run, so I have no regrets.

Goodbye.

 

[metis]

His is not bigotry. The IOR aka Vatican Bank is still under investigation for money-laundering.
Only in this decade people are exposing the truth, that is, that Pope Wojtyla used laundered money to finance Solidarnosc...

"Bigotry" does not mean or imply "X" is a lie-- it means being one-sided, focusing only on the bad while ignoring the good, or vice-versa.