Spiderman
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Why are suicide bombers almost always Muslim?
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Well, I do not appreciate being unfairly called biased by the wayside, so it would seem that you might want to try a better tactic.
I am well aware of how fabulous your task is (I have learned a lot about Islaam and the Qur'aan in the last few years), so feel free to refuse to. Truth be told, there is not a lot that can be done on this matter.
You know, I used to say the exact same thing, almost with the same words, a few years ago.
That only carries one so far.
By some understandings of peace, anyway. The ones that disregard doctrine, history and not fully manifested intents. It helps if you have not read the Qur'aan and particularly if you do not know what is understood by "kafir" and "idolatry".
Oh, right. That is the gut reaction. It has been so long ago now. What, four years since I learned to accept the facts and learned better? It has been so gradual.
Look with more attention. Or work a literal miracle and give me a reason to reconsider to a significant extent at this late date, if you can find it in you. But that is too high a bar for anyone.
Been there, done that, hardened my views considerably.
In the 80's the Tribal leaders of the Afghanistan were invited to the White House by then President Ronald Reagan, It was to help arm and fund them against the Soviet Union. Both the USA and the Soviet Union were aware of the strategic importance of Afghanistan and the vast Mineral Deposits it sat on, estimated to be around 1 Trillion $$$ back then. The USA created a database of C.I.A friendly operatives within Afghanistan, and called it 'The Base', which in Arabic translates to Al-Qaeda. After the Soviets were expelled, the Taliban shunned attempts by the U.S. to allow exploration and mining contracts.
In the 90's Donald Rumsfield, Dick Cheney and other hawks commissioned a Project for the New American Century PNAC http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
The report was released in 2000 and note page 51, "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor"
And that's exactly what happened 1 year later on 9/11
There was no Isis in Iraq or Syria prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Indeed groups aligned with Isis were trained, funded and armed by the U.S. and they only turned on Isis when they would not attack the agreed upon target, the Syrian Regime.
Donald Trump has been told Afghanistan actually holds reserves worth 3 Trillion $ and as we all know, he recently announced a troop surge to 'stabilise' the Country.
The Pentagon has paid Hundreds of Millions of $ to make fake terror videos The Pentagon paid $500m to make fake terrorist propaganda videos
The British were planting bombs outside Mosques following the Invasion of Iraq to ensure sectarian violence took hold.
The bottom line is the West loves terror and does all it can to create chaos, as the old tried and tested formula of 'divide and conquer' still holds true..
The Emperor of Mankind
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This is the only part of your post I want to dispute. Do you have any evidence to support this claim? It doesn't seem very reasonable, particularly in light of the oft-used accusation that the invasion of Iraq was about Western countries securing Iraq's oil for themselves. It doesn't seem very sensible that the British would secure the refineries in the south then deliberately plunge the country into chaos; necessitating expenditure of even more lives & resources to both keep the oil facilities secure and to restore order. The Coalition forces had nothing to gain by pushing a country they were tasked with securing to the brink of civil war.
Occam's Razor would suggest it is far more likely that sectarian elements repressed by numerous historical regimes (and yes, the British colonial administration would have been one of them) who started the Sunni-Shia fighting in Iraq, not the British.
This seems like nothing more than the Muslim victimhood complex rearing its ugly head once more. The West is to blame for everything wrong with the Muslim world - including the Sunni-Shia divide in Dar al-Islam, apparently.
Even Al-Qaeda released statements at the time blaming the British:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/were-british-special-forces-soldiers-planting-bombs-in-basra/994
They had everything to gain. How many times have we been told Billions would be spent on Afghanistan and other places to promote 'Democracy' build infrastructure and root out corruption, yet very little from what was pledged ever materialised, but the chaos in Iraq was used to justify prolonged occupation.
Yes perhaps, but Western meddling and stoking of the flames is self evident.
Yeah I'm sure you're right, just like British have never interfered in Ireland or the Sykes-Picot Agreement could never been seen as a blatant example of divide and rule, or what was done in Kashmir. Yes silly me, must get over my victim hood mentality.
Late to the thread... The Quran gives a fast-track to paradise to anyone who dies in defense of Islam. Many Muslims believe that a pro-active attack on infidels can be classified as a "defense of Islam".
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Wrong!!! Every scholar in Islam has already explained how suicide bombers are not a thing in Islam. Would you like proof?
Peace
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Where else would you like it to come from, if not the source? Is there something wrong with your ability to derive applicable contexts? Or are you also, another linear minded person?
Peace
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
This is not about winning or losing, it's about learning - but you're clearly not ready for this!
Peace
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Wow, you really are wilfully ignorant. You don't want to be taught anything and just want to accuse out of context and application - very ignorant of you I must say, and your hubris is in the fact that you think you knew Islam, when it is evident you actually don't know anything and don't want to know anything as you just admitted!
I'd sign off with "peace" as I usually do but I see you aint about peace! Ironically you're a lot more fundamental in your hardened and immovable views than the Muslims you claim you rant against !!!
Edit: for the record I don't have a ponytail. Not that it should matter whether I do or don't - you're just exposing your own ignorance, repeatedly. Stay in your lane, it bodes better for you lol
I would agree that some scholars say suicide bombers "are not a thing". But clearly other Islamic scholars say that it is. Since I read the Quran, I have to say that it's very natural to conclude that suicide bombing - in the defense of Islam - is not only okay, it's guaranteed to get you the best spot in paradise.
Sadly, peaceful Islamic scholars have a real uphill battle to spin the book into sounding peaceful. The other sad reality in your claim is the implication that a normal person can't understand the Quran without the help of a so-called "scholar". I have heard that claim many times and it's wrong on at least two counts:
1 - Many times the Quran declares itself to be clear and easily understood.
2 - Peaceful interpretations require all manner of mental gymnastics. It's a stretch to interpret the Quran as being peaceful.
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
If you want to debate, be specific. Which of my claims - specifically - do you disagree with?
If you show them proof, they mutter under their breath and look at the time.
Why did the Jews bomb a U.S. warship, and the King David Hotel? Why did Christian groups bomb abortion clinics? Why did Irish Catholics bomb targets in Ireland and the mainland? Why can I cite many other examples of non Muslims that have taken up arms to draw attention to their oppression/cause?
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Given that line of reasoning, which has some merit, we must conclude that for the most part it's Muslims who oppress Muslims, since most victims of suicide bombers are Muslims who have a slightly different interpretation of Islam than the bomber did.
As I understand it, there is no high authority in Islam, correct? We might say that a particular Imam has influence because he has a large following, but that's about it. Given that, when Muslims disagree with each other's interpretations of Islam, there is no way to "prove" who's right. Couple that with the problem that the scripture is fundamentally violent, intolerant and supremacist, and groups like ISIS and Boko Haram can easily argue that THEY have the correct interpretation of the faith.
If you disagree with this, then explain how it is that over the last 1300 years, Sunnis and Shias have violently disagreed with each other over how to "prove" what Islam means.