The evidence I see is that once Muslims become a majority in a country, all non-Muslims are slowly removed, one way or another. It happened in Turkey, it's happening throughout the ME.
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Why are suicide bombers almost always Muslim?
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The evidence I see is that once Muslims become a majority in a country, all non-Muslims are slowly removed, one way or another. It happened in Turkey, it's happening throughout the ME.
Not according to the vast majority of the World's 1.6 Billion Muslims.
Perhaps explain what isis are about with evidence from their sources, so we can see if religion has anything to do with it, and do the same for same for Boko haram.
How do you explain Sunnis and Shias intermarrying and living side by side for the vast majority of that time?
The evidence is that a large percentage of the world's Muslims are comfortable supporting any means necessary to make Islam dominant in a region.
These groups cite the scripture for their guidance, and their arguments are very difficult to refute.
How dangerous does a thing have to be in order to be called dangerous? Cancer doesn't always kill its victims, but we can still call cancer dangerous correct? So of course Sunnis and Shias often live together in peace. But for the last 1300 years, they have killed each often enough that we can call the situation violent.
Evidence from credible sources please.
I asked for evidence, not what you think they want. Post their statements so we can see if religion has anything to do with it.
Evidence please. with 1,300 years you should be able to cite hundreds of examples. Waiting
Just check religious demographics for these countries. E.g. in the last hundred years in Turkey, Islam went from 80% to 99.5% of the population. It's virtually impossible these days to live in Turkey if you're not a Muslim.
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
On paper yes. But in practice, for the last 100 years, being a Christian in Turkey has been a losing proposition.
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
According to who? You sure you got this right? Coz there are plenty of Christians in Turkey who don't have a problem with it - neither do atheists in Turkey. Only recently, post 911 has Turkey seen a revival of Islam taking place within its borders - and for a secular nation, that's fair as fair goes. What is your problem?
People have FREE WILL to choose what they believe, or disbelieve in. And in Turkey, that's the way it is.
And because the people are choosing Islam you have a problem? lol
peace
People have FREE WILL to choose what they believe, or disbelieve in. And in Turkey, that's the way it is.
And because the people are choosing Islam you have a problem? lol
peace
He's waffling and providing no evidence. I know Turks that do not practice Islam, who run businesses here in the U.K. and regularly go back to Turkey to holiday and be with family. Never has anyone of them complained about the Government or Islamists making it unbearable for them, or anyone else like them. Most of these keyboard warriors have never left the State they live in, and think themselves Global experts on Demographics and Religion. :/
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Ask one of the 'experts' on here lmaoWhat is an Islamist? is that the same as a Muslamist?
peace
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
I'm wondering if these so-called experts are aware that post 911, under "AK" (an Islamic political group that took power in a landslide 2002 election under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan) the new government dramatically reformed the bureaucracy-ridden Turkish economy, setting off an unprecedented boom in business starts, jobs and exports.
15 years ago, Turkey struggled under a debt load that dwarfed Greece's on the eve of the global financial crisis in 2009.
By 2010 Turkey's debt was down to 46 percent of GDP, compared with 143 percent percent for Greece. And we all know where Greece is today, up poop hill and down ****s creek!
Modern day Turkey is the thriving proof that a Muslim majority, democracy and economic modernization are compatible, the new model that, in the eyes of many, political Islam has been waiting for.
Peace
In the last 100 years Christians have gone from 20% to 1%. And it's not because they are choosing Islam.
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
maaan, you're like a tabloid with a bad reputation.The percentage of Christians in Turkey fell from 19 percent in 1914 to 2.5 percent in 1927, due to events which had a significant impact on the country's demographic structure, such as the First World War, the population exchange between Greece and Turkey, and the emigration of Christians (such as Assyrians, Greeks, Armenians etc.) to foreign countries (mostly in Europe and the Americas) that actually began in the late 19th century and gained pace in the first quarter of the 20th century, especially during World War I and after the Turkish War of Independence. Today there are more than 160,000 people of different Christian denominations, representing less than 0.2 percent of Turkey's population, including an estimated 80,000 Oriental Orthodox, 35,000 Catholics, 18,000 Antiochian Greeks, 5,000 Greek Orthodox and 8.000 Protestants, mostly ethnic Turkish. There is also a small group of ethnic Orthodox-Christian Turks (mostly living in Istanbul or Izmir) who follow the Greek Orthodox or Syrian Orthodox church. They are often confused with ethnic Greeks. Some of them actually have a Greek background, but there are ethnic Turks, who never converted to Islam in the history between this population. Currently there are 236 churches open for worship in Turkey. The Eastern Orthodox Church has been headquartered in Constantinople since the 4th century.
SAUCE
As you can see, Islam and Muslims had nothing to do with the decline of Christianity in Turkey!...
...oh, and one more thing, Showmanship, is hardly Scholarship. Stay in your lane!
Peace
The percentage of Christians in Turkey fell from 19 percent in 1914 to 2.5 percent in 1927, due to events which had a significant impact on the country's demographic structure, such as the First World War, the population exchange between Greece and Turkey, and the emigration of Christians (such as Assyrians, Greeks, Armenians etc.) to foreign countries (mostly in Europe and the Americas) that actually began in the late 19th century and gained pace in the first quarter of the 20th century, especially during World War I and after the Turkish War of Independence. Today there are more than 160,000 people of different Christian denominations, representing less than 0.2 percent of Turkey's population, including an estimated 80,000 Oriental Orthodox, 35,000 Catholics, 18,000 Antiochian Greeks, 5,000 Greek Orthodox and 8.000 Protestants, mostly ethnic Turkish. There is also a small group of ethnic Orthodox-Christian Turks (mostly living in Istanbul or Izmir) who follow the Greek Orthodox or Syrian Orthodox church. They are often confused with ethnic Greeks. Some of them actually have a Greek background, but there are ethnic Turks, who never converted to Islam in the history between this population. Currently there are 236 churches open for worship in Turkey. The Eastern Orthodox Church has been headquartered in Constantinople since the 4th century.
SAUCE
As you can see, Islam and Muslims had nothing to do with the decline of Christianity in Turkey!...
...oh, and one more thing, Showmanship, is hardly Scholarship. Stay in your lane!
Peace
You're an apologist, I'm a critic, we're both in our lanes
As far as "showmanship" is concerned I think phrases like "population exchange" and "emigration of Christians" demonstrate a fair bit of showmanship, no?
And we can move on the the ME... a region in which - over the last 100 years - it's been increasingly difficult for non-Muslims to thrive.
Its tempting to say its because anyone who believes in a 90 foot Adam is gullible and unrealistic but there maybe blackmail involved,like you do this or we rub out your family,still talking ants may tip the balance.
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
You're an apologist, I'm a critic, we're both in our lanes
I'm no apologist, I'm just your average joe muslim. And you're no critic, you're just parroting media monkeyed narratives.
As far as "showmanship" is concerned I think phrases like "population exchange" and "emigration of Christians" demonstrate a fair bit of showmanship, no?
Coming from a sourced article, NO! The link was at the bottom of my post.
You're wilfully ignorant, I get it now lol. That tabloid comment I made earlier was on point.
Peace
We do a lot of debating here on RF. Using ad hominem attacks isn't going to impress many people here. You'll do better refuting specific claims. Bring it on.
So I'm going to make two specific claims here:
- The number of Jews living in the ME (apart from Israel), has gone down dramatically in the last 100 years.
- The number of Christians living in the ME (apart from Israel), has gone down dramatically in the last 100 years.
Those are factual claims. They are either true or false, and it doesn't matter who said them first.
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
That wasn't ad hominem, that was an observation. You DO parrot media monkeyed narratives.We do a lot of debating here on RF. Using ad hominem attacks isn't going to impress many people here. You'll do better refuting specific claims. Bring it on.
I've taken your so called "specific claims" and dealt with them, while you attempted to gloss over your inadequate polarity with the whole "apologist" vs "critic" nonsense, which I also disqualified and you call that ad hominem? Did you forget, the first to "name call" was you, with the whole "apologist" comment? I've not called you anything... because, you are nothing worth calling! What is there left to rebuttle? your ad hominem? lol Just done it.
savvy?
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Ah, I see you edited your post...
...make a thread for it, this one is about suicide bombers.
ciao bella
...make a thread for it, this one is about suicide bombers.
ciao bella