• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Why are suicide bombers almost always Muslim?

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
That wasn't ad hominem, that was an observation. You DO parrot media monkeyed narratives.

I would say that to accuse a poster of "parroting" is an ad hominem. It's also largely a meaningless attack. We all stand on the shoulders of the best thinkers that have come before us. Is it okay for me to claim that E = m*c*c? Would that be parroting Einstein?

I've taken your so called "specific claims" and dealt with them

You have not addressed why so few Christians remain in Turkey.
You have not address why so few Jews and Christians remain in the ME.

Did you forget, the first to "name call" was you, with the whole "apologist" comment?

"Apologist" is not name calling. It is a role one takes in a debate. I'm happy to be an "apologist" for science. Calling someone an apologist is not a criticism in any way.

...make a thread for it, this one is about suicide bombers.

These threads often wander, I'm simply responding to the latest posts.
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
You have not addressed why so few Christians remain in Turkey.
Bottom of last page, you must have missed it, either that or you are willfully ignorant.

You have not address why so few Jews and Christians remain in the ME.

After pointing out the reasons for why so few Christians are in Turkey, I realised this has absolutely jack sh*t to do with suicide bombers and therefore decided to not waste time entertaining your silly train of thought.

Peace
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Wait, what? Doesn't your statistic agree with my claim?

Christianity in Turkey - Wikipedia you will find I've posted all this before and given you reasons why there are so few Christians in turkey - it's due to emigration - keep reading. Lol. Got nothing to do with Muslims or Islam but to do with WW1 - you really are wilfully ignorant aren't ya? Very interesting that I have to keep pointing the obvious out to you due to your wilful ignorance! I'd like to think you aren't intellectually challenged but at this point, you've left me no option but to conclude that you are.

Oh and more thing, since Turkey's national debt is now negligible compared to Greece's, I'd say that Turkey is actually better off without the Christians being such a large minority. Turkey thrives as it is, being an overly Muslim majority nation. You really don't know how to make any points that stick, and what you think are aces up your sleeve are turning out to be joker cards.

Peace
 
Last edited:

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Christianity in Turkey - Wikipedia you will find I've posted all this before and given you reasons why there are so few Christians in turkey - it's due to emigration - keep reading. Lol. Got nothing to do with Muslims or Islam but to do with WW1 - you really are wilfully ignorant aren't ya? Very interesting that I have to keep pointing the obvious out to you due to your wilful ignorance! I'd like to think you aren't intellectually challenged but at this point, you've left me no option but to conclude that you are.

Peace

Yes! Emigration! Ask yourself why so many people of a particular faith, would leave their homes?

I'm claiming that there is a clear pattern, that pattern being that when Muslims become the majority in a country they push non-Muslims out, one way or another. It's happened to the Christians in Turkey (as evidenced by your own stats :eek: ), and it's happening to non-Muslims all over the ME as these two videos relate:

Stats concerning this claim start around 2:30 into the first video and are all through the second:


 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Many, many pages can be written about this subject but I'll try to be brief. Here is France we have many muslims, most of which are perfectly normal people who wouldn't cause harm to anyone. But they are also a community who doesn't integrate, no matter what anyone says. They keep to themselves and try to live at the same time in both worlds, keeping traditions and views that have no place in a modern society, such as the way they view women, but at the same time wanting to exist in a capitalist, materialistic modern world.
Here in France after the second world war there was a huge need for workers to rebuild the country. Many of those workers came from Portugal, Spain and other european countries, and those were able to fit in just fine since they already had the same social values.
Many others came from the french colonies in Africa: countries like Algeria and Morocco, of muslim background. Those people were all piled up into ghettos, built outside France's biggest cities, where they've been living ever since, isolated in communities where nobody wants any contact with. The french didn't accept them because they couldn't relate to the muslim mentality and muslims didn't make any effort because in the muslim culture you don't change yourself, you force others to change in order to fit in your box, and I don't mean this in an offensive way, it's just what it is.
The children of those people were born in France and have french passports but they are not french since they don't share the culture. They try to fit into the culture of their ancestors and please their families and at the same time they have to live in a modern european country. They don't have an identity and they feel powerless. For many of them life is not what it was promised to them growing up. Suddenly they are young adults and they don't belong anywhere so they become easy targets to radicalism.
They become terrorists for the same reason elsewhere other young men join gangs. being part of a terrorist organization gives them a sense of identity and power, even if that power is to murder innocents.
Mon amie. There are a number of ultra-Orthodox Jewish enclaves in New York and New Jersey. In some the level of materialism is even starting to get a bit absurd. And this is in a place where second and third generation Americans have broken English as their second language.

Growing up in isolated communities is not a reason for terror.
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
hadrianus said:
That is why non muslims are very uncomfortable and moving out of Turkey.
One of the reasons, somewhat. Turkish Muslims are also emigrating.

Peace
 
As you can see, Islam and Muslims had nothing to do with the decline of Christianity in Turkey!...

:unamused:

Islamic imperialism had everything to do with the rise of Islam decline of Christianity in the former Eastern Roman Empire. It's not like they started converting en masse prior to the conquests.

It's a bit like claiming Romanisation had nothing to do with the Roman Empire.
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
:unamused:

Islamic imperialism had everything to do with the rise of Islam decline of Christianity in the former Eastern Roman Empire. It's not like they started converting en masse prior to the conquests.

It's a bit like claiming Romanisation had nothing to do with the Roman Empire.

In case you was missing the point - Icehorse was citing for the last 100 years only. Stay in context, thank you!

Peace
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
I just thought it a bit odd to focus the last 19% rather than the previous 80%...

Ask icehorse, he bought it up. I just closed his premise, because he was standing on shaky ground there. And besides, it was irrelevant to the thread itself.

I'd rather focus on the thread premise and discuss this instead, seeing as it is actually contextual to the topic itself!


peace
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Ask icehorse, he bought it up. I just closed his premise, because he was standing on shaky ground there. And besides, it was irrelevant to the thread itself.

I was responding to one of your claims. You have not demonstrated any shaky ground. It's relevant based on apologist claims that were made earlier.

None of these posts sprang up out of thin air, they were based on responding to earlier posts. At this point, I feel as though you've side stepped many of my claims.
 

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Mon amie. There are a number of ultra-Orthodox Jewish enclaves in New York and New Jersey. In some the level of materialism is even starting to get a bit absurd. And this is in a place where second and third generation Americans have broken English as their second language.

Growing up in isolated communities is not a reason for terror.

True, but when you have a culture that is already violent to begin with and you add the promise of rewards in an afterlife to people who have nothing to look for in this one, that's a great ground to create terrorists.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
True, but when you have a culture that is already violent to begin with and you add the promise of rewards in an afterlife to people who have nothing to look for in this one, that's a great ground to create terrorists.
Murder is a Major Sin. Most of the people signing up to terror groups have little knowledge of what Islam actually teaches:

UN study confirms exactly what you suspected about Isis

We also know many of those caught in the West have been high on drugs to desensitise them to extreme acts of violence.
 

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Most of the people signing up to terror groups have little knowledge of what Islam actually teaches

I'm sorry to have to say this but I'm under the impression no one knows what Islam teaches, least of all Muslims. There are Sunni Muslims and Shi'ite Muslims, and Sufis and probably a few more I don't know about. All this Muslims claim to be the real deal and they don't like the others so instead of being united in their Muslim beliefs they fight and kill each other. If even among fellow believers there is no consensus about what Islam teaches, how can anyone be anything but confused?
Murder is a crime but it's ok to kill your daughters if they wear miniskirts or start dating a non believer? Murder is a crime but it's ok to throw alleged gays from the top of a building? Islam is a religion of peace but feel free to beat your wife?
Why are Muslims being taught wrong in the first place? Why are Muslim leaders not educating their people right? If they are not providing a solution they are part of the problem.
I belong to a very small religious group (less than 1% of the world population) but our organisation makes sure we are instructed every day.
Muslims make 22% of the world population and your leaders don't have the resources to educate the people? How is that even possible?
I actually tried to learn more about Islam, for my personal knowledge, and so far I came across so many different theories that I can say without a doubt that I have no idea what Islam actually teaches.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I actually tried to learn more about Islam, for my personal knowledge, and so far I came across so many different theories that I can say without a doubt that I have no idea what Islam actually teaches.
Give us a example of what you learnt and how it was completely contradicted by another group of Muslims. Cite the evidence they provided to you, and let's see if the issues you came across couldn't have been simply addressed by reading what the Qur'an says.
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
True, but when you have a culture that is already violent to begin with and you add the promise of rewards in an afterlife to people who have nothing to look for in this one, that's a great ground to create terrorists.
You're speaking about Vikings I presume? And the Norse religion ?
 
Top