Why Atheism is Appealing

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No? You are determined to see homosexuality as other than sexual immorality? May be there were no homosexuals amongst the Jews in Jesus' day. I would not think so. They would have been packed off and excommunicated to the Greek cities. Jesus would not even speak to the inhabitants of the Greek cities.

Yet he affirmed "his" law (Mat 5:18, Luk 16:17, Lev 20:13), of which in Lev 20:13, "homosexuality = abomination." In Daniel an abomination is said to cause desolation.

Three Hebrew words connote abomination: תּוֹעֵבָה (toʿevah), שֶׁקֶץ (shekeẓ, sheqeẓ) or שִׁקּוּץ (shikkuẓ, shiqquẓ), and פִּגּוּל (piggul); toʿevah is the most important of this group. It appears in the Bible 116 times as a noun and 23 times as a verb and has a wide variety of applications, ranging from food prohibitions (Deut. 14:3), idolatrous practices (Deut. 12:31; 13:15), and magic (Deut. 18:12) to sex offenses (Lev. 18:22 ff.) and ethical wrongs (Deut. 25:14–16; Prov. 6:16–19). Common to all these usages is the notion of irregularity, that which offends the accepted order, ritual, or moral.

Dude! Jesus hung around exclusively with ... men. He never married. You can argue a very strong case he was gay, as depicted in the stories.

Look at the gospel of John, and the way it is worded. John and Jesus? Very close. Perhaps even lovers.

Open your eyes.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

A major problem with the Catholic church is that it does not and cannot distinguish between belief and unbelief. That wicked hate the righteous, that unbelievers hate believers, and vice versa, has been appreciated and understood in all ages. There is nothing to add to that.

The majority of unbelievers don't hate you. The truth is, we kinda feel sorry for you.

Carrying all that seething hate around, all the time, is hard work-- and leads to ulcers and worse.

Let go your hate. Don't give in to the Dark Side.

 

[atanu]

That is a rather narrow quotation and doesn't really reflect the full scope of his discussion, including his previous paragraph where he condems it as a opposite extreme.
Here is the full (legal) text:
Full text of "Ends And Means"


For my part this never entered my atheism, which was much more about being honest with myself and simply admitting I didn't believe. Not trying to keep up a farce.
My behavior changed very little. I've only had one sexual partner (My husband).

I seem not to find the text of the OP in "Ends and Means".

 

[outlawState]

Dude! Jesus hung around exclusively with ... men. He never married. You can argue a very strong case he was gay, as depicted in the stories.

Look at the gospel of John, and the way it is worded. John and Jesus? Very close. Perhaps even lovers.

Open your eyes.

Tit 1:15
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

 

[outlawState]

The majority of unbelievers don't hate you. The truth is, we kinda feel sorry for you.

Carrying all that seething hate around, all the time, is hard work-- and leads to ulcers and worse.

Let go your hate. Don't give in to the Dark Side.

Your post says you detest me. You're fooling no-one but your fellow atheists who praise you. See how easy it is to delude them. The bible affirms it

2Ti 3:13
while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

It's a hard life being an atheist. You'll unavoidably come in for a lot of stick....and then what is your reward eventually?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your post says you detest me. You're fooling no-one but your fellow atheists who praise you. See how easy it is to delude them. The bible affirms it

2Ti 3:13
while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

It's a hard life being an atheist. You'll unavoidably come in for a lot of stick....and then what is your reward eventually?

The problem is that the Bible appears to be a book of myths. If you want to refer to it as an authority then you put the burden of proof upon yourself to show that it is an authority.

And there was nothing in his post that indicates hatred. Yours on the other hand . . . not so much. Referring to others, even indirectly, as "evildoers and impostors" is not very nice. Worse yet you accuse them of deceiving and being deceived when it is fairly obvious that it is the other way around.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Tit 1:15
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

That's so cute. You posted a bible verse.

But I notice you did not counter-argue that the gospel of John reads like gay love between Jesus and John.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Your post says you detest me. You're fooling no-one but your fellow atheists who praise you. See how easy it is to delude them. The bible affirms it

2Ti 3:13
while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

It's a hard life being an atheist. You'll unavoidably come in for a lot of stick....and then what is your reward eventually?

How cute. You still project your own Judgmental Hate onto me, and what I posted.

I don't detest you-- I actually feel very sorry for you. It's quite obvious you think you are somehow superior or some such thing.

Let Go Your Hate. Don't Give In to the Dark Side.

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Someone once quipped:

Being An Atheist is like being the only kid in class who understands that Santa Claus isn't real, and having to wait for everyone else to grow up.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Why is it so important that one person who has only had one partner to another that has multiple partners throughout their life? It seems odd that so much importance is placed on such a characteristic. Not everyone is monogamous, and it would be sad indeed to attempt to force a population into a bottleneck like being strictly monogamous.

It's better for the children to have a committed, loving family, in the long run.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's better for the children to have a committed, loving family, in the long run.

The two are not tied together.

 

[Trailblazer]

It's better for the children to have a committed, loving family, in the long run.

The children should be the priority. We never had any but if we had they would have come before us.
Heck, we have 11 cats and their needs come before ours.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

So you think atheists are idiots?

How did you deduce that?!
I was merely posting a quote from Huxley, which I think has some merit. It says nothing about idiocy. Atheism just fits a lifestyle (of freedom) that many want.

Reading all of these posts from atheists about members of churches practicing an illicit lifestyle, which is an accurate assessment for quite a few professed Christians....reveals hypocrisy. At least Atheists aren't that.

But I do think atheism is a naïve pov.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Tit 1:15
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

I appreciate the Scripture; do you know who Paul was talking to? Not atheists, but....people in that congregation!

Read the next verse, Titus 1:16.

Doesn't apply to unbelievers. Sad, really.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The children should be the priority. We never had any but if we had they would have come before us.
Heck, we have 11 cats and their needs come before ours.

I must say, we do have opposing doctrinal views, but we agree on how we as humans should act! You and your mate are fine examples for society....I'm glad you are here on RF, and thanks for posting about your relationship!

Question: do you consider yourself atheist? Or agnostic? Don't Baha'i 's believe in a Higher Intelligence?

 

[Trailblazer]

I must say, we do have opposing doctrinal views, but we agree on how we as humans should act! You and your mate are fine examples for society....I'm glad you are here on RF, and thanks for posting about your relationship!

Thanks. In today's society, many people consider us odd, but I have never been one to run with the crowd.

Question: do you consider yourself atheist? Or agnostic? Don't Baha'i 's believe in a Higher Intelligence?

The Baha'i Faith is an Abrahamic religion so we believe in God. Our beliefs about God are similar to Judaism, Christianity and Islam. However, we do not believe that Jesus was God incarnate.

 

[Cacotopia]

It's better for the children to have a committed, loving family, in the long run.

That is not what I meant.

If you ran through a few relationships until you found a person that just gets you, it's far more improbable that you will run into a person that is for you and you them on the first try. But no reason to hack on em' for taking a few swings at the plate.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

However, we do not believe that Jesus was God incarnate.

Ok, well neither do I. I follow Christ (try to); I don't worship him.

So we agree there, too.

 

[Apologes]

While Huxley's rationale obviously shouldn't be taken to represent all atheists, it is not at all uncommon to see people (especially those in pragmatist and postmosernist waters which look for things they consider more important than "truth") to reject a worldview such as Christianity precisely because it imposes restrictions which they do not like.

Besides sexual freedom, a huge problem they have with Christianity is its view of homosexual relationships. In a culture where SJWs have become louder than ever suh views are often rejected based on their lack of political correctness rather than some argumentative defficiency.

The idea that we should choose what to believe based on how convenient it is (how well it aligns with our previously established set of values which we may have cherrypicked in just the same fashion) isn't at all unrelated to becoming an atheist, though some would like to think otherwise.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Even when I was an atheist I never found my own a theism appealing or any form there of. I found the entire lot silly and mentally degrading to my intelligence. I simply think atheism is more practical now do to the new gods we have in our contemporary society.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

It's better for the children to have a committed, loving family, in the long run.

Heck, yeah. It can be demonstrated that kids with two parents (regardless of their respective genders) do much better in school and generally in life, than kids with but one.

It can also be demonstrated that kids with parents who fight all the time, do not do as well as parents who demonstrate caring and a loving relationship (again-- gender of parents is statistically insignificant).

These two observations completely wipe out the claims of anti-gay conservatives who claim kids won't do will with same sex parents. That's simply untrue.

Sadly? The adoption process in the USA has been hijacked by religious conservationism--- and the agencies are so stuck with Bronze Age "Values" that it's easier for a religious single parent to adopt a kidlet, than a same-sex couple.

And, of course, it's even easier for a "traditional" couple to adopt-- expensive, but far fewer hurdles. Indeed, many of these agencies refuse to even consider same sex couples at all--regardless of income or social status.

Ironically? These same agencies seem to never check to see if the "traditional" couple is abusive!

I suppose that's very biblical anyway-- are not biblical wives supposed to be entirely submissive to their "lord and master" husbands?

Uggg.