Why Believe in Hell?

[Quiddity]

It's not so much the concept of hell that bothers people; it's more of it's permanency that rubs people the wrong way.

No one would say "that guy believes in a jail system and therefore speaks volumes on his character".

Most rational people do believe the bad guys should be seperated from the majority of the populace.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

but ultimately I don't have to justify hell to a bunch of heathens, God said it, I believe it, that settles it

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[fantome profane]

It's not so much the concept of hell that bothers people; it's more of it's permanency that rubs people the wrong way.

No one would say "that guy believes in a jail system and therefore speaks volumes on his character".

Most rational people do believe the bad guys should be seperated from the majority of the populace.

I think you are quite right about this.

So what are your thoughts about the concept of permanency?

 

[waitasec]

It's not so much the concept of hell that bothers people; it's more of it's permanency that rubs people the wrong way.

No one would say "that guy believes in a jail system and therefore speaks volumes on his character".

Most rational people do believe the bad guys should be seperated from the majority of the populace.

and bad guy = disbelief?

cool.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

In reality, with the Abrahamic God, I'm not only surprised that atheists are found to be evil, but how anything is, as to God made it exactly how it is, obviously everything is within the master plan or whatever, and it's natural, no way it can be a sin.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Are there any reasons, other than faith in the scripture or tradition of your choice, to regard the concepts of damnation, hell, and eternal punishment as likely to be the case?

To me, the notion that some deity would create an eternal hell has no evidence in support of it beyond whatever the truth value is of scriptures or traditions. People who believe in hells ultimately do so out of unsupported faith.

So, do I have that right? Are there any independent grounds for believing in hells?

It depends on your definition of hell.

 

[Quiddity]

I think you are quite right about this.

So what are your thoughts about the concept of permanency?

The traditional and historical accounts are rather perspicuous about it's permanency about it; atleast in regards to Christianity......it's permanent. Problems do arise from this when you place free will, justice, and love into the mix. However, classical philosophical does a great job a tackling it. It can be said that what is permanent is simply the seperation from God. In otherwords, in can never be said that hell is a long therapeutic punishment.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

It's not so much the concept of hell that bothers people; it's more of it's permanency that rubs people the wrong way.

Good News for you Quiddity !

According to Revelation [20 vs 13,14] the Bible's hell [sheol] is: Temporary.

Please notice that doesn't it say that after everyone in the biblical hell is 'delivered up' [resurrected] out of hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into 'second death' ?

How long was Jesus in hell ? _______ [Acts 2 vs 27,31,32]
If biblical hell was permanent then Jesus would still be there.

Since Jesus taught the dead sleep [John 11 vs 11-14], then I believe that Jesus would have been in a pain-free sleep-like state while Jesus was in hell.

Jesus now has the keys to unlock hell [gravedom] for us.- Rev. 1 v 18.
Unlock some to heaven, and the majority of mankind unlocked to be resurrected back to life on a paradisaic earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.

 

[Hawkins]

The traditional and historical accounts are rather perspicuous about it's permanency about it; atleast in regards to Christianity......it's permanent. Problems do arise from this when you place free will, justice, and love into the mix. However, classical philosophical does a great job a tackling it. It can be said that what is permanent is simply the seperation from God. In otherwords, in can never be said that hell is a long therapeutic punishment.

More than a permanent separation, it's prophecy about what would happen in such a permanent separation.

It's pretty safe to assume that the angels are immortal beings, when separated from God they turn to be the devils. Hellfire is prepared for them.

Similarly, in a permanent separation from God, humans are expected to turn to be the same devils. The hellfire is prepared for them alike.

The hellfire is prepared for the same devils, whether they are previously angels or humans.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Belief in Hell comes from a belief in Heaven. When the ultimate reward was created an ultimate punishment had to be created to balance it. The two are mirror opposites of each other. This is why I'm not a good Universalist, I can't see a Heaven existing without a Hell to balance it. However, I can see neither a Hell nor a Heaven existing as absolutes.

 

[Quiddity]

Good News for you Quiddity !

According to Revelation [20 vs 13,14] the Bible's hell [sheol] is: Temporary.

Please notice that doesn't it say that after everyone in the biblical hell is 'delivered up' [resurrected] out of hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into 'second death' ?

How long was Jesus in hell ? _______ [Acts 2 vs 27,31,32]
If biblical hell was permanent then Jesus would still be there.

Since Jesus taught the dead sleep [John 11 vs 11-14], then I believe that Jesus would have been in a pain-free sleep-like state while Jesus was in hell.

Jesus now has the keys to unlock hell [gravedom] for us.- Rev. 1 v 18.
Unlock some to heaven, and the majority of mankind unlocked to be resurrected back to life on a paradisaic earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.

Hell and Purgatory is said to be the same place. You may be confusing the two in the text.

 

[Quiddity]

More than a permanent separation, it's prophecy about what would happen in such a permanent separation.

It's pretty safe to assume that the angels are immortal beings, when separated from God they turn to be the devils. Hellfire is prepared for them.

Similarly, in a permanent separation from God, humans are expected to turn to be the same devils. The hellfire is prepared for them alike.

The hellfire is prepared for the same devils, whether they are previously angels or humans.

My point was to leave it open to the possibility of Hell [and those in it] seizing to exist at some point in aveum time. Speaking of time or pemanancy outside of time is rather meaningless.

 

[dudeactually]

For believers earth is a prison, for non-believers this world is jannat

 

[jasonwill2]

Do the humble 'sheep' of Matthew [25 vs 31,32, 46] die in the end, or do they continue to live right into the start of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth with the prospect of living forever on a paradisaic earth ?

According to Scripture dead Jesus was in hell.
If there where no 'biblical hell' [sheol] Jesus could not have gone to hell until God resurrected Jesus out of hell [ Acts 2 vs 27,31,32; Psalm 16 v 10]

There is a need for the Bible's hell [sheol], because the Bible's hell is just the common grave of mankind where the dead sleep in death until resurrected.
[Ecc. 9 v 5; Psalms 6 v 5; 13 v 3; 115 v 17; 146 v 4; John 11 vs 11-14]
Some resurrected to heaven [Rev. 20 v 6], and the majority of mankind [John 3 v 13] resurrected out of hell [gravedom] back to life on a paradisaic earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.

Then, the Bible's hell is going to be cast empty into a symbolic second death.
- Rev. 20 vs 13,14.

I don't believe in the Christian Bible either.

You're not a Heathen, mate, you're a Satan worshipper. Heathens follow the Gods of the Northern Europeans. Pssh, don't misdirect the Christians, they have enough problems with words as it is. ;P

Erm, actually they were using the word "Heathen" in the ancient "not-Christian" sense according to a number of sources, however for more recent uses you are correct, but the guy that founded the band there is a member of the Church of Satan.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Hell and Purgatory is said to be the same place. You may be confusing the two in the text.

Please post the Scripture about a Purgatory____________________

The 'Bible's hell' comes from the Hebrew word sheol.
Sheol is just the common grave of mankind where the dead sleep until resurrected. There is No Scripture that says Jesus was in Purgatory.
Jesus was in the biblical hell [sheol]. -Acts 2 vs 27,31,32; Psalm 16 v 10

Since Jesus taught the 'dead sleep' [John 11 vs 11-14]
That would mean Jesus thought he would be in a sleep-like state while in hell.
Sleeping in death until God resurrected Jesus out of the Bible's hell.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

For believers earth is a prison,

How interesting that you liken earth to a prison.
Is earth the prison, or just the 'prison yard'?
After all we the living are not yet locked up or shut up in our prison cells [graves]
We are all shacked in death's prison precinct. But we do have partial liberty now while we await for deliverance from our death sentence. [ Ezekiel 18 vs 4,20]
We are still walking around in the prison yard.

Because Jesus died a hero's death that means that sin and death will not always continue to reign on earth.
Not because we can be innocent, but Just as a Judge can pardon a person so the crime [sin] charges no longer stick,
Jesus has full power or control over the 'great prison house of death' to pardon us.

Those of us still alive at the soon coming 'time of separation' of Matthew
[25 vs 31,32] will be issued No death warrant, No death watch, but we have hopes that we will not die but remain living into Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.
Remember Satan (our great jailer] does Not have the keys to death's cell door.
Jesus has those keys [Rev. 1 v 18]. Keys to unlock death's prison house of detention so that the humble 'sheep'-like people on earth can remain alive on earth right into the start of Jesus millennial reign over earth, when Jesus ushers in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill, with everlasting life in view on a paradisaic earth forever.
-Psalm 72 v 8

 

[davidthegreek]

would someone who detests God enjoy spending eternity with Him? Seems like Hell to me

indeed. It is like with cockroaches. When I see even one in my house. My life loses its meaning. That is perhaps what people who hate God, will be feeling in his presence.

 

[davidthegreek]

It's been my observation that Hell exists as a way to vicariously hope/wish for the torture of others, for a variety of reasons, and to place it in such a location that you cannot be morally held accountable for such feelings; because God generally cannot be considered [by those who believe in Hell] to be held accountable for anything bad. So, it removes themselves from the reprehensibility of the equation by dumping it in the lap of someone you cannot dare criticize. But they can still savor the thought and appear pious to themselves.

why would I wish for anyone to burn in hell? I can bless them all. If I don't like some I can avoid them. But wish them hell? Well I may be the worst sinner ever. However, this doesn't automatically make me a demon.

 

[davidthegreek]

I think people have an innate sense of justice. But we observe people not being punished for evil, and even being rewarded. This creates a conflict in us. One way to resolve this conflict is to create a story about retribution after death.

But there is no valid independent reason for believing this.

did you know that one mans evil is another mans virtue?

 

[fantome profane]

did you know that one mans evil is another mans virtue?

I certainly do not know that.