Why Blame God for the problems Humans create?

[McBell]

Oh dont be rude! LOL was funny.....but stiiiilllll.............

I gave up being politically correct long ago.
Though I am still tons more politically correct on this forum than I am in real life.

See, I find that not being allowed to call a liar a liar is most inconvenient and bordering on lying itself.

So if you think I am rude here on RF, you most likely will not want to meet up with me in person, because I toss political correctness out the window in real life.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

I gave up being politically correct long ago.
Though I am still tons more politically correct on this forum than I am in real life.

See, I find that not being allowed to call a liar a liar is most inconvenient and bordering on lying itself.

So if you think I am rude here on RF, you most likely will not want to meet up with me in person, because I toss political correctness out the window in real life.

Ehh. Ive met worse. Believe it or not, im a tough cookie. I dealt with a lot worse characters on other sites, let alone in person.

Nothing wrong with speaking your mind and telling the truth because im horrible at lying so i just refrain from doing it. But i do believe there still can be respect between two parties. Even in a debate.

 

[McBell]

But i do believe there still can be respect between two parties. Even in a debate.

Perhaps what you call "respect" I call "coating the bull **** with sugar in order to not offend"?

 

[Zadok]

The problem some religions have in defining G-d goes beyond Atheist that disagrees with the illogical definition. There are logic problems and problems of justice and responsible as well. I strongly believe in G-d but I do not believe that G-d created or is responsible for the will of each individual. I do not believe G-d holds any responsibility as to what an individual is or does. I believe that what makes an individual unique is as eternal as G-d. If G-d created an individual to be that unique individual he ought to share in the responsibility of that individual for the consequence of what they individual does.

Zadok

 

[Thief]

We have linear existence, because we have flesh. This linear existence will produce a unique individual with unique experience and personality.

That God is the source doesn't make Him responsible for what you have said or done.
Therefore, do unto others as you would have it done unto you....
because it will be.

Like some people lack faith.
(Faith is an item that need not be proven.)
Then while claiming to know better, they insist upon proof.
When proof is not provided, slanderous remarks are made.

You reap what you sow.

 

[Smoke]

I see some Atheists especially say they can't believe in God because God won't wave a magic wand and make all the problems go away. Why should he?

If I built you a house in which the ceiling was three feet from the floor, you might not expect me to fix it, but you might think I wasn't very concerned for your welfare.

And thanks, by the way, for the mental picture of God waving a magic wand. I like that.

When you realize that God is within us, we are the ones misusing his spirit to create all this mess.

So then we have power over God, and his spirit is subject to our control?

 

[Smoke]

I wonder that myself. How can one blame a God they dont believe in?

It's not really a question of blaming God. It's pointing out a problem with believing that an omnimax God is beneficent.

 

[dust1n]

In my view point anyone who thinks that is too immature to realize that its our fault.

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

 

[dust1n]

I see some Atheists especially say they can't believe in God because God won't wave a magic wand and make all the problems go away. Why
should he?

LOL, why shouldn't he, would be the better question.

Furthermore, this premise is based on a wrong understanding of God. When you realize that God is within us, we are the ones misusing his spirit to create all this mess.

No, I think it would logically be spelled out as so;

If every cause had an effect and god was the first effect, then God made the world as it is, suffering included. No definition of God changes that except a pantheistic outlook, and even then, one might imply a Creator.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

Perhaps what you call "respect" I call "coating the bull **** with sugar in order to not offend"?

No. Just respecting ones right to believe as they do, as you have that same right. And not insulting them for having said belief.

 

[McBell]

No. Just respecting ones right to believe as they do, as you have that same right. And not insulting them for having said belief.

Just as you have the right to believe whatever you like, I have the right to believe your beliefs are nothing but wishful thinking or even a product of self righteous delusion.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I see some Atheists especially say they can't believe in God because God won't wave a magic wand and make all the problems go away. Why should he? Furthermore, this premise is based on a wrong understanding of God. When you realize that God is within us, we are the ones misusing his spirit to create all this mess.

I think you misunderstand. It's not that speaks against the existence of God, it speaks against God's goodness if he does exist.

And it speaks against that for the same reason that letting vicious dogs roam the neighbourhood speaks against the goodness of the dogs' owner.

 

[averageJOE]

I see some Atheists especially say they can't believe in God because God won't wave a magic wand and make all the problems go away. Why should he? Furthermore, this premise is based on a wrong understanding of God. When you realize that God is within us, we are the ones misusing his spirit to create all this mess.

In my view point anyone who thinks that is too immature to realize that its our fault.

We have linear existence, because we have flesh. This linear existence will produce a unique individual with unique experience and personality.

That God is the source doesn't make Him responsible for what you have said or done.
Therefore, do unto others as you would have it done unto you....
because it will be.

Like some people lack faith.
(Faith is an item that need not be proven.)
Then while claiming to know better, they insist upon proof.
When proof is not provided, slanderous remarks are made.

You reap what you sow.

So is your god omniscient or not?

 

[MSizer]

I think you misunderstand. It's not that speaks against the existence of God, it speaks against God's goodness if he does exist..

Exactly! It speaks against the existence of an omnimax benevolent god.

And it speaks against that for the same reason that letting vicious dogs roam the neighbourhood speaks against the goodness of the dogs' owner.

Precisely.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

Just as you have the right to believe whatever you like, I have the right to believe your beliefs are nothing but wishful thinking or even a product of self righteous delusion.

Never said you didnt have that right. Im just one of the belief there is a way in doing and saying things without insulting one other. Or calling one names simply because we dont believe the same.

 

[MSizer]

Never said you didnt have that right. Im just one of the belief there is a way in doing and saying things without insulting one other. Or calling one names simply because we dont believe the same.

I do believe that name calling is childish and unnecessarily hurtful, but I don't believe that we each have the "right" to base our actions on just any beliefs, religious or not. The man who flew planes into the world trade center believed they were doing the will of god.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

No definition of God changes that except a pantheistic outlook, and even then, one might imply a Creator.

My view of God is pretty well near Pantheistic. Maybe I should say Panentheistic. And when you say God is creator, define creator. To me creator means the whole that everything emminates from. I don't pretend to know how or why the physical world came into existence, and what it's purpose is. I don't know if I'll ever know.

 

[McBell]

Never said you didnt have that right. Im just one of the belief there is a way in doing and saying things without insulting one other. Or calling one names simply because we dont believe the same.

And I am one of the belief that sugar coated truth is not truth.

Calling a bigot a bigot is not being disrespectful.
Calling a liar a liar is not being disrespectful.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

I do believe that name calling is childish and unnecessarily hurtful, but I don't believe that we each have the "right" to base our actions on just any beliefs, religious or not. The man who flew planes into the world trade center believed they were doing the will of god.

Didnt say that either. LOL

 

[LyricalDutchess]

And I am one of the belief that sugar coated truth is not truth.

Calling a bigot a bigot is not being disrespectful.
Calling a liar a liar is not being disrespectful.

Ehhh....oh well. Not going to argue. LOL