Why Blame God for the problems Humans create?

[Smoke]

My view of God is pretty well near Pantheistic. Maybe I should say Panentheistic. And when you say God is creator, define creator. To me creator means the whole that everything emminates from. I don't pretend to know how or why the physical world came into existence, and what it's purpose is. I don't know if I'll ever know.

Then are you sure there's even such a thing as a problem?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

There is problems in the flesh, the carnal existence.

 

[Magic Man]

I wonder that myself. How can one blame a God they dont believe in?

What I wonder is how people can believe this about other people.

I am an atheist. I don't disbelieve in God because he allows bad things to happen. I disbelieve in God because there's no evidence to support his existence, and there is evidence to support the idea that all gods have just been made up by humans.

Now, what you'll hear some people say is "If your god existed, why would he allow these bad things to happen?". That's not blaming a god that person doesn't believe in. It's asking a hypothetical question about someone else's god concept.

 

[Thief]

So is your god omniscient or not?

So... the quality of omniscience (or lack of) is the fulcrum point for the things you say or do?

The topic is....why blame God?
Of course not. We have what it takes to subdue this earth.
God is not the opposition....nor responsible.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

The topic is....why blame God?

Because if an omniscient, omnipotent being actually existed, it would be responsible for everything that happened. He who is responsible takes the blame.

Of course, this whole thread is ridiculous, as no atheists actually blame god - they're simply trying to illustrate to believers in such a being why, logically, they should blame their god.

 

[Father Heathen]

I see some Atheists especially say they can't believe in God because God won't wave a magic wand and make all the problems go away. Why should he? Furthermore, this premise is based on a wrong understanding of God. When you realize that God is within us, we are the ones misusing his spirit to create all this mess.

What would you think if you were dragged into a back alley to be beaten, robbed, raped and murdered, and you saw a police officer just silently standing there a mere 10 feet away, starring at you vacantly with a finger in his ***. Wouldn't you wonder why he isn't trying to rescue you? Wouldn't you consider him an inept, incompetent and/or corrupt cop? Same case for god. If he is supposed to be the embodiment of righteousness and justice, and has unlimited power at his disposal, then isn't it reasonable to wonder why he doesn't, you know, make himself useful and actually worthy of praise and worship? How would his existence be relevant if he doesn't actually do anything? If the "real" gods are indistinguishable from the false gods, it has to make you question your beliefs.

 

[Zadok]

We have linear existence, because we have flesh. This linear existence will produce a unique individual with unique experience and personality.

That God is the source doesn't make Him responsible for what you have said or done.
Therefore, do unto others as you would have it done unto you....
because it will be.

Like some people lack faith.
(Faith is an item that need not be proven.)
Then while claiming to know better, they insist upon proof.
When proof is not provided, slanderous remarks are made.

You reap what you sow.

Are you saying G-d does not control this linear existance and therefore is not responsible or accountable?

Zadok

 

[Zadok]

What I wonder is how people can believe this about other people.

I am an atheist. I don't disbelieve in God because he allows bad things to happen. I disbelieve in God because there's no evidence to support his existence, and there is evidence to support the idea that all gods have just been made up by humans.

Now, what you'll hear some people say is "If your god existed, why would he allow these bad things to happen?". That's not blaming a god that person doesn't believe in. It's asking a hypothetical question about someone else's god concept.

Do you believe in liberty and justice?

Zadok

 

[Thief]

Are you saying G-d does not control this linear existance and therefore is not responsible or accountable?

Zadok

There are reports of His intervention.
Such as handing Adam his twin sister, for a bride.

But the reports are numerous, and so many objections made all through out this website.

 

[MSizer]

There are reports of His intervention.
Such as handing Adam his twin sister, for a bride.

But the reports are numerous, and so many objections made all through out this website.

I find it rather co-incidental that all such reports allegedly took place before the days of photography and film. I guess video killed the divine intervention star.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

What would you think if you were dragged into a back alley to be beaten, robbed, raped and murdered, and you saw a police officer just silently standing there a mere 10 feet away, starring at you vacantly with a finger in his ***. Wouldn't you wonder why he isn't trying to rescue you? Wouldn't you consider him an inept, incompetent and/or corrupt cop? Same case for god. If he is supposed to be the embodiment of righteousness and justice, and has unlimited power at his disposal, then isn't it reasonable to wonder why he doesn't, you know, make himself useful and actually worthy of praise and worship? How would his existence be relevant if he doesn't actually do anything? If the "real" gods are indistinguishable from the false gods, it has to make you question your beliefs.

Well Father Heathen I wouldn't say this is God's fault, because I don't view God's omnipresence the same way as most people, and I don't believe God is omnipotent and omniscient. The Bible does not support this view, especially the OT, in which God is shown to be very limited in what he knows.

 

[Magic Man]

Do you believe in liberty and justice?

Zadok

Do you believe that question has anything to do with anything?

 

[Magic Man]

Well Father Heathen I wouldn't say this is God's fault, because I don't view God's omnipresence the same way as most people, and I don't believe God is omnipotent and omniscient. The Bible does not support this view, especially the OT, in which God is shown to be very limited in what he knows.

Then no one poses this question about your god concept.

 

[MSizer]

Then no one poses this question about your god concept.

Hear Hear. Although your god concept is not a common one among espousers of abrahamic religions.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Basically, my view is that God's omnipresence is a large part of what God is. God does have his own will and such above that, but we humans shouldn't pretend we can understand it. God's omnipresence is of the sort like if a person was to take all the water in the world and pour it into many jars. The jars may be different, but the water inside the jars is the same.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Basically, my view is that God's omnipresence is a large part of what God is. God does have his own will and such above that, but we humans shouldn't pretend we can understand it. God's omnipresence is of the sort like if a person was to take all the water in the world and pour it into many jars. The jars may be different, but the water inside the jars is the same.

I like turtles.

 

[Father Heathen]

Do you believe in liberty and justice?

Zadok

Liberty and justice exist as ideas, just as the concept of god exists as an idea.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Liberty and justice exist as ideas, just as the concept of god exists as an idea.

Okay, but do you believe in life after love?

 

[MSizer]

Okay, but do you believe in life after love?

I wish I could take frubals away from you for that. Now I have to find a corkscrew to drive through my tympanic membrane.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I wish I could take frubals away from you for that. Now I have to find a corkscrew to drive through my tympanic membrane.

I apologize. I'd gladly take it back - if I could turn back time, if I could find a way...