Why can't anyone explain this?

[Theweirdtophat]

Personally I never fully agreed with evolution, but then the creation myths don't really sit well with me either. I believe there is however a divine source but I don't think God in the bible made the Earth. I do however believe the gods and goddesses interacted with humans and made us what we are but I don't think any of them are omnipotent, like Yahweh, or Jesus or anything like that. I believe they are powerful but not all powerful. Why would an all powerful person require worshipers when they can create anything with a mere thought. What gave God the idea to create a universe anyway?

But then evolution I think has flaws. I think natural selection is real but evolution? If we are basically evolved monekys? Why are there still monkey's around? Why aren't creatures that are far older than humans, like reptiles, didn't drastically change in appearance and intelligence like we did. And if we are evolved from apes, what made these particular apes evolve into humans to begin with?

Also there's the debate with God or the Big bang theory. Both run into problems. One will say "If God created this, what created God?" The Big Bang theory has the same problem. Like, if someone says "If the Big Bang theory made all of this, what started the big bang to begin with" And so on. Neither side doesn't seem to have the answers, yet both will accuse each other of being illogical and crazy when really, both sides just have theories. Theories are not the same thing as facts. Both sides don't have all the answers.

Really, who knows what made the universe. Perhaps it's like the way the Jains described it. That the universe was never created. It always existed. Maybe it's something so vast that our brains can't comprehend it at this level. Who knows.

 

[Riverwolf]

But then evolution I think has flaws. I think natural selection is real but evolution? If we are basically evolved monekys?

No, we're apes. And we're just as "evolved" as the other apes.

Why are there still monkey's around?

Monkeys aren't apes. And the apes we evolved from are extinct.

Why aren't creatures that are far older than humans, like reptiles, didn't drastically change in appearance and intelligence like we did.

Can you go for up to a month without eating?

And if we are evolved from apes, what made these particular apes evolve into humans to begin with?

We're still apes.

Like, if someone says "If the Big Bang theory made all of this, what started the big bang to begin with"

Statements like that demonstrate a massive misunderstanding of how that theory works. (Which isn't meant to be a slight; the vast majority of people not directly in the fields that deal with it, don't understand how it works; questioning things that don't make sense to you is perfectly fine.) We can only use it to explain the data we have, but there's still plenty we don't yet know.

Theories are not the same thing as facts.

A scientific theory holds ground so long as all the data best supports it.

Both sides don't have all the answers.

Difference being that the sciences don't claim to have all the answers, and any scientist worth their salt will know full well that there's infinitely more that we don't know, than we do.

To better understand the Big Bang, I recommend spending some time with the Youtube shows Crash Course Astronomy, SciShow Space, and (if you can handle his snark) Fraser Cain, for lay-friendly explainations of astronomy matters (including the Big Bang). And if you're feeling like you can take the headaches, check out PBS Spacetime for some more advanced explanations of the mathematics invovled in these theories.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Personally I never fully agreed with evolution, but then the creation myths don't really sit well with me either. I believe there is however a divine source but I don't think God in the bible made the Earth. I do however believe the gods and goddesses interacted with humans and made us what we are but I don't think any of them are omnipotent, like Yahweh, or Jesus or anything like that. I believe they are powerful but not all powerful. Why would an all powerful person require worshipers when they can create anything with a mere thought. What gave God the idea to create a universe anyway?

But then evolution I think has flaws. I think natural selection is real but evolution? If we are basically evolved monekys? Why are there still monkey's around? Why aren't creatures that are far older than humans, like reptiles, didn't drastically change in appearance and intelligence like we did. And if we are evolved from apes, what made these particular apes evolve into humans to begin with?

Also there's the debate with God or the Big bang theory. Both run into problems. One will say "If God created this, what created God?" The Big Bang theory has the same problem. Like, if someone says "If the Big Bang theory made all of this, what started the big bang to begin with" And so on. Neither side doesn't seem to have the answers, yet both will accuse each other of being illogical and crazy when really, both sides just have theories. Theories are not the same thing as facts. Both sides don't have all the answers.

Really, who knows what made the universe. Perhaps it's like the way the Jains described it. That the universe was never created. It always existed. Maybe it's something so vast that our brains can't comprehend it at this level. Who knows.

Well look at evolutionary branching. We are cousins of apes. It stands that apes are still around, yet adapted differently. It dosent mean that apes dissapear because humans made the scene.

Also big bang addresses the origin of the known universe. Obviously there were pre-existing factors involved that brought the big bang about. What exactly is anyone's guess.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

We have relationships with apes. That doesn't make us apes. That's like saying a camel and a llama are the same because they belong to the camelid family. They have relations, that doesn't mean it's the same.

Some of the most arrogant people I have seen are scientists. Some claim that if it isn't proven by science or isn't right in front of their face, it doesn't exist and it's impossible for it to exist. That kind of thinking prevents the human race from having an open mind and exploring new things. Both sides run into the same problem. Just because it's in a text, be it holy scripture or science book, doesn't make it so. There is no proof for either theory as of now. People can come up with evidence, but evidence is not the same thing as proof. People confuse those two often. Also if we are apes that changed, what CAUSED the change to begin with. We should have other races mingling with humans by now, that have evolved from birds, reptiles and other mammals by now, especially since many creatures are far older than humans. And doesn't it take millions of years to evolve. And how old are humans? Not nearly as old as others.

Science is not always right. Neither are the holy priests. I feel it makes more sense for the universe to have always existed but the real answer is, we don't know.

 

[Riverwolf]

We have relationships with apes. That doesn't make us apes.

According to the current classifications, we're apes. Specifically, great apes, or hominids.

That's like saying a camel and a llama are the same because they belong to the camelid family. They have relations, that doesn't mean it's the same.

Nor does our status as ape make us the same as chimps. Humans (homo) are apes(hominid). Chimps (pan) are apes (hominid). But humans(homo) are not chimps (pan).

Some of the most arrogant people I have seen are scientists. Some claim that if it isn't proven by science or isn't right in front of their face, it doesn't exist and it's impossible for it to exist. That kind of thinking prevents the human race from having an open mind and exploring new things.

And as a result, is a VERY unscientific way to think of things. The sciences operate by repeatedly testing given hypotheses, and so require exploring new things with open minds. It's how we came to both the theories of evolution via natural selection and the big bang.

Both sides run into the same problem. Just because it's in a text, be it holy scripture or science book, doesn't make it so. There is no proof for either theory as of now. People can come up with evidence, but evidence is not the same thing as proof. People confuse those two often.

Yes, but I think you're doing so, here. Proof technically doesn't exist in terms of the sciences; it's a part of mathematics. Evidence is hard, fast data that can be measured.

Also if we are apes that changed, what CAUSED the change to begin with.

All modern apes are changed from their common ancestors, which changed from theirs, which changed from our earliest common ancestor. The changes gradually happened via natural selection.

We should have other races mingling with humans by now, that have evolved from birds, reptiles and other mammals by now, especially since many creatures are far older than humans. And doesn't it take millions of years to evolve. And how old are humans? Not nearly as old as others.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, here.

I feel it makes more sense for the universe to have always existed but the real answer is, we don't know.

Which is, believe it or not, a very scientific way to look at things. We don't know. However, I think you're simply very, VERY unaware of just all the data that's out there, and are thus coming to this conclusion based on massively incomplete information, far more incomplete than our collective knowledge accounts for.

I directed you to a few lay-friendly and entertaining sources of that information.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Personally I never fully agreed with evolution

This is the only line I feel the need to respond to.

What evolution has in common with many other theories is that it's an accumulation of knowledge gained through very thorough methods.
It is self validating, you are not required to make it true nor does your feeling that it may be false in some ways matter at all towards its validity.
Opinions are not what it consists of, that would be evidence. So, from my point of view, you either deny the evidence or accept it.

I was nice-ish and used theory even though it can easily, and quite rightfully, be described as fact.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Some of the most arrogant people I have seen are scientists. Some claim that if it isn't proven by science or isn't right in front of their face, it doesn't exist and it's impossible for it to exist.

Name a single scientist who has ever said that.

There is no proof for either theory as of now. People can come up with evidence, but evidence is not the same thing as proof. People confuse those two often.

Proof doesn't exist in science, because no single fact can ever sufficiently demonstrate the truth of a proposition. Science operates solely on evidence.

Also if we are apes that changed, what CAUSED the change to begin with.

Evolution.

We should have other races mingling with humans by now, that have evolved from birds, reptiles and other mammals by now, especially since many creatures are far older than humans.

Why would you expect all species on the planet to evolve in the exact same way? You need to learn a little more about evolution.

 

[BSM1]

Personally I never fully agreed with evolution, but then the creation myths don't really sit well with me either. I believe there is however a divine source but I don't think God in the bible made the Earth. I do however believe the gods and goddesses interacted with humans and made us what we are but I don't think any of them are omnipotent, like Yahweh, or Jesus or anything like that. I believe they are powerful but not all powerful. Why would an all powerful person require worshipers when they can create anything with a mere thought. What gave God the idea to create a universe anyway?

But then evolution I think has flaws. I think natural selection is real but evolution? If we are basically evolved monekys? Why are there still monkey's around? Why aren't creatures that are far older than humans, like reptiles, didn't drastically change in appearance and intelligence like we did. And if we are evolved from apes, what made these particular apes evolve into humans to begin with?

Also there's the debate with God or the Big bang theory. Both run into problems. One will say "If God created this, what created God?" The Big Bang theory has the same problem. Like, if someone says "If the Big Bang theory made all of this, what started the big bang to begin with" And so on. Neither side doesn't seem to have the answers, yet both will accuse each other of being illogical and crazy when really, both sides just have theories. Theories are not the same thing as facts. Both sides don't have all the answers.

Really, who knows what made the universe. Perhaps it's like the way the Jains described it. That the universe was never created. It always existed. Maybe it's something so vast that our brains can't comprehend it at this level. Who knows.

Just to put a fly in the ointment, when you talk about Creationism you are referring only to the Judeo-Christian idea of our genesis. When people start thumping there righteously indignant chests to have Creationism included in school curriculum they are again talking about the Biblical episode. Watch their heads explode if you suggest that the depiction of Hindu, or Shinto, or Inuit, or any other sect's creation story be taught also.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Something doesn't add up. Remember that picture of the evolution of man where it starts out with a monkey and slowly becomes humans. There's tons of monkeys and humans but where are all the other creatures that aren't quite human but aren't quite apes either, like the way it's described in that picture in the Evolution of Man? Does no one find this strange. Shouldn't there at least thousands of half humans half apes running around?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Something doesn't add up. Remember that picture of the evolution of man where it starts out with a monkey and slowly becomes humans.

Believe it or not, that picture that is intended purely as a simplified depiction of the idea behind evolution isn't an entirely accurate representation of the overall theory. What you are seeing is not a "monkey" evolving into a man, it is an early hominid evolving into a man.

There's tons of monkeys and humans but where are all the other creatures that aren't quite human but aren't quite apes either, like the way it's described in that picture in the Evolution of Man? Does no one find this strange. Shouldn't there at least thousands of half humans half apes running around?

You don't seem to understand how biological classifications work. Humans ARE apes. There's no such thing as "half human, half ape". Human is a subcategory of apes. Every human is 100% human and 100% ape. There is no such thing as a "half-species" - every organism is a "complete" organism - but every organism is a subcategory of what came before it.

What kind of research have you done on evolution or biology in general?

 

[LuisDantas]

Something doesn't add up. Remember that picture of the evolution of man where it starts out with a monkey and slowly becomes humans. There's tons of monkeys and humans but where are all the other creatures that aren't quite human but aren't quite apes either, like the way it's described in that picture in the Evolution of Man?

I take it you mean "are Homo but not quite Homo Sapiens Sapiens"?

Does no one find this strange. Shouldn't there at least thousands of half humans half apes running around?

Probably not. Evolution happens along many generations. It happens because the previous generations are pruned out by being less fit to compete for survival and reproduction.

 

[Augustus]

Why aren't creatures that are far older than humans, like reptiles, didn't drastically change in appearance and intelligence like we did.

They did. Birds evolved from dinosaurs for example. Some salamanders can be frozen for years then thaw out and come back to life. 20 meter long megadolons evolved into sharks like the hammerhead that has better vision and sensory capabilities due to the shape of its head.

These changes are every bit as drastic as those gone through by humans. We just developed larger brains due to our environment and our lack of other evolutionary advantages. A shark or crocodile doesn't need to make tools to catch food or fire to keep warm. They just developed other senses to remarkable levels; ones that are most suited to their environment.

 

[Parsimony]

If we are basically evolved monekys? Why are there still monkey's around?

If straw-men could bleed, that one would be in the ICU.

 

[Revoltingest]

Personally I never fully agreed with evolution, but then the creation myths don't really sit well with me either. I believe there is however a divine source but I don't think God in the bible made the Earth. I do however believe the gods and goddesses interacted with humans and made us what we are but I don't think any of them are omnipotent, like Yahweh, or Jesus or anything like that. I believe they are powerful but not all powerful. Why would an all powerful person require worshipers when they can create anything with a mere thought. What gave God the idea to create a universe anyway?

But then evolution I think has flaws. I think natural selection is real but evolution? If we are basically evolved monekys? Why are there still monkey's around? Why aren't creatures that are far older than humans, like reptiles, didn't drastically change in appearance and intelligence like we did. And if we are evolved from apes, what made these particular apes evolve into humans to begin with?

Also there's the debate with God or the Big bang theory. Both run into problems. One will say "If God created this, what created God?" The Big Bang theory has the same problem. Like, if someone says "If the Big Bang theory made all of this, what started the big bang to begin with" And so on. Neither side doesn't seem to have the answers, yet both will accuse each other of being illogical and crazy when really, both sides just have theories. Theories are not the same thing as facts. Both sides don't have all the answers.

Really, who knows what made the universe. Perhaps it's like the way the Jains described it. That the universe was never created. It always existed. Maybe it's something so vast that our brains can't comprehend it at this level. Who knows.

We've covered this so many many times before here.
Monkeys fill an evolutionary niche which humans don't......
- Zoo exhibits
- Medical testing
- Organ grinder assistants
- Stealing food from us when they're not masturbating

 

[viole]

We have relationships with apes.

Why? In your opinion.

Ciao

- viole

 

[BSM1]

We've covered this so many many times before here.
Monkeys fill an evolutionary niche which humans don't......
- Zoo exhibits
- Medical testing
- Organ grinder assistants
- Stealing food from us when they're not masturbating

Sooo....you're saying @Wirey may be the missing link? Seems this might apply to him.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sooo....you're saying @Wirey may be the missing link? Seems this might apply to him.

Oh, he's not missing.

 

[columbus]

I do however believe the gods and goddesses interacted with humans and made us what we are

Why do people believe things like this, but find evolution of species difficult to grasp?
Tom

 

[LuisDantas]

To be fair, the ToE is usually misunderstood to a surprising degree even among those many who have no issue with it.

 

[Riverwolf]

Something doesn't add up. Remember that picture of the evolution of man where it starts out with a monkey and slowly becomes humans.

I've never seen such a picture. Remember, monkeys ARE NOT apes.

Are you talking about this picture?

Monkeys have tails, are typically small, and are demonstrably less intelligent than apes. We can (sort of) talk to other apes. There's a chimp who (kind of) learned how to play Pacman. (No, really. Look it up on Youtube.) I don't believe monkeys are known to be capable of these things.

There are only four living genera of great apes (hominids), subdivided into seven distinct species:

Orangutan (Pongo)
-Bornean Orangutan (pongo pygmaeus)
-Sumatran Orangutan (pongo abelii)
Gorilla (Gorilla... no, really.)
-Western Gorilla (gorilla gorilla ROFLMAO)
-Eastern Gorilla (gorilla beringei)
Human (Homo)
-Modern Human (homo sapiens)
Chimpanzee (Pan)
-Chimpanzee (pan troglodytes)
-Bonobo (pan paniscus)

Every single one of these animals, including us, is an ape.

There's tons of monkeys and humans but where are all the other creatures that aren't quite human but aren't quite apes either, like the way it's described in that picture in the Evolution of Man? Does no one find this strange. Shouldn't there at least thousands of half humans half apes running around?

A human can't be "half-ape", because we are apes.

It adds up perfectly, but I think you severely misunderstand how biological evolution works. It seems you're under the LONG outdated impression (that is still held by many people who accept evolution, so I don't blame you) that it's some kind of "progression" from "primitive" to "advanced."

Here's the truth: evolution has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH "PROGRESS."