Why can't some people accept that the Israelites were black?

[Ingledsva]

and people from the Sahara are?


They look similar to some East Africans, actually

But they aren't the same.

We have DNA, the Human Genome Project, and ancient skeletons. The skulls of black Africans are shaped differently, for instance.

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[Wherenextcolumbus]

But they aren't the same.

We have DNA, the Human Genome Project, and ancient skeletons. The skulls of black Africans are shaped differently, for instance.

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Who's DNA are talking about, the ancient Egyptians?

Skull shape determines race?

 

[Curious George]

Black people are brown skinned, being olive doesn't necessarily =not being black.

Just out of curiosity, did this thread ever define what "being black" is?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Just out of curiosity, did this thread ever define what "being black" is?

I defined it as your roots being African. East Africans look different generally from west Africans as do many tribes look distinct from each other, but they are still black African in my opinion.

 

[Ingledsva]

But they aren't the same.

We have DNA, the Human Genome Project, and ancient skeletons. The skulls of black Africans are shaped differently, for instance.

Who's DNA are talking about, the ancient Egyptians?

Skull shape determines race?

They are saying the Hebrew, Abraham, and Jesus, etc, were black African.

Here is a link to a teaching PDF with lots of pictures showing the differences.

http://www.anthropology.hawaii.edu/people/faculty/pietrusewsky/anth384/lectures/Ancestry.pdf

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[Wherenextcolumbus]

Just out of curiosity, did this thread ever define what "being black" is?

Also I'm quite baffled when people try and say being black is a social construct its a myth, and if I said Gambian people are black no one would be having such a debate about it like they are now. So obviously they do have an idea in their mind about who is black.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

They are saying the Hebrew, Abraham, and Jesus, etc, were black African.

Here is a link to a teaching PDF with lots of pictures showing the differences.

http://www.anthropology.hawaii.edu/people/faculty/pietrusewsky/anth384/lectures/Ancestry.pdf

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I'm talking about ancient Egyptians not Hebrews

 

[Ingledsva]

I'm talking about ancient Egyptians not Hebrews

You might be - but the thread is about the Hebrew being Black African, or not.


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[Wherenextcolumbus]

They are saying the Hebrew, Abraham, and Jesus, etc, were black African.

Here is a link to a teaching PDF with lots of pictures showing the differences.

http://www.anthropology.hawaii.edu/people/faculty/pietrusewsky/anth384/lectures/Ancestry.pdf

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Also I think this is very limited black people have straight features also.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

You might be - but the thread is about the Hebrew being Black African, or not.


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I know I disagreed the OP they probably were some black Hebrews but I'm not trying to claim they were the majority.

 

[Ingledsva]

Also I'm quite baffled when people try and say being black is a social construct its a myth, and if I said Gambian people are black no one would be having such a debate about it like they are now. So obviously they do have an idea in their mind about who is black.

The only reason there is a debate going on here is because a couple of people keep coming in and saying the Hebrew are Black Africans.

Did you note the title of this thread?

Why can't some people accept that the Israelites were black?

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[Wherenextcolumbus]

The only reason there is a debate going on here is because a couple of people keep coming in and saying the Hebrew are Black Africans.

Did you note the title of this thread?

Why can't some people accept that the Israelites were black?

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I'm talking about the debate I was having with other people about the ancient Egyptians. Yes I know the title of the thread.

 

[Flankerl]

and people from the Sahara are?

Berber dont look like subsaharan africans. I know, tough break.

They look similar to some East Africans, actually

No not really.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Berber dont look like subsaharan africans. I know, tough break.




No not really.

yeah really
http://api.ning.com/files/iz4q01PCK...OBO*XXSejdgTJzUGBEfBBZra5dATYZnbrj/tuareg.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8afHz6fg1.../AEcHkPqtU1c/s1600/donna+tuareg+1+-+Copia.jpg
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/19775/essakane_portrait.jpg
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/spritesjun.suffolk/29 Young Tuareg Woman.jpg
http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/amulets/images/tuareg_woman.jpg
http://www.agoodrant.com/User/Images/Tuareg.jpg
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/3456942-md.jpg
http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumb...,color-5319fd9c26f4f0b9c94315947ad5d04c_h.jpg

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

yeah really
http://api.ning.com/files/iz4q01PCK...OBO*XXSejdgTJzUGBEfBBZra5dATYZnbrj/tuareg.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8afHz6fg1.../AEcHkPqtU1c/s1600/donna+tuareg+1+-+Copia.jpg
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/19775/essakane_portrait.jpg
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/spritesjun.suffolk/29 Young Tuareg Woman.jpg
http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/amulets/images/tuareg_woman.jpg
http://www.agoodrant.com/User/Images/Tuareg.jpg
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/3456942-md.jpg
http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumb...,color-5319fd9c26f4f0b9c94315947ad5d04c_h.jpg

They remind be a bit of the Wodaabe people as well-some of them look similar to me

 

[Flankerl]

So you are telling me that you see no difference whatsoever from Berber people and subsaharan africans like for example the Mandinka or Hausa?

Yeah Berber tend to be a lot darker the more southern they live. But thats only logical because there you'd have a higher chance for intermingling with subsaharan africans. Like for example in Mali.
Oh and btw, Tuareg arent the only Berber people.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

So you are telling me that you see no difference whatsoever from Berber people and subsaharan africans like for example the Mandinka or Hausa?

I googled and saw black african people

Yeah Berber tend to be a lot darker the more southern they live. But thats only logical because there you'd have a higher chance for intermingling with subsaharan africans. Like for example in Mali.
Oh and btw, Tuareg arent the only Berber people.[/QUOTE]

your example was Tuareg they remind me of other black african people

 

[fallingblood]

I defined it as your roots being African. East Africans look different generally from west Africans as do many tribes look distinct from each other, but they are still black African in my opinion.

But you don't want to fully commit to that definition. After all, all modern humans have their roots in Africa. So when does one stop being black? I have a book called "One Drop" in which it details the life of a man who passed as white, yet still was considered black because he had some "black" blood in him. His family also was seen as black, as they could not pass as white. Is he black, or is he white? His skin color is more white than black, and he lived as if he was white.

More so, what about white people who had their roots in Africa? There are many individuals with white skin who have lived in Africa for a very long time, and can say just as well that they have their roots there. Are they black?

Also I'm quite baffled when people try and say being black is a social construct its a myth, and if I said Gambian people are black no one would be having such a debate about it like they are now. So obviously they do have an idea in their mind about who is black.

The myth of race is one that is deeply ingrained, so it is hard for people to ignore it. Often it become easier for people to still use the categorizations of skin colors to describe people. However, that doesn't mean they agree with the categorizations of race.

The fact that some people still define people by their skin color doesn't really say much, except that such constructs take a long time to pass away.

I'm talking about ancient Egyptians not Hebrews

So are people from the Middle East black?

 

[Shermana]

For the record, Out of Africa theory is now heavily disputed.

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566
Humanities African Origins Theory Challenged by New Findings
http://in-other-news.com/2011/The_death_of_the_Out-of-Africa_theory

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

For the record, Out of Africa theory is now heavily disputed.

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566
Humanities African Origins Theory Challenged by New Findings
The death of the Out-of-Africa theory

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