Why Create Hell if You Know Someone Might be Going to it?

[Sunstone]

Why would a deity create a place of eternal torment? What, if anything, does it say about the deity's morals? Or about the deity's capacity for malice?

 

[Me Myself]

Many say it is not an actual place, but that it is a spiritula state of the soul.

In which case, what would it say of a deity that creates souls that do that to themselves?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

A better question is, if Hell is the bastion of evil and those who reject God, won't I be celebrated and have an awesome time there? It makes no sense that the king of evil would want to punish me for being... evil...

 

[Me Myself]

A better question is, if Hell is the bastion of evil and those who reject God, won't I be celebrated and have an awesome time there? It makes no sense that the king of evil would want to punish me for being... evil...

What is he supsed to do? Give you gifts for eternity? That would bore him to death, he needs to be evil with SOMEONE and the guys upstairs seeto be kind of out of reach.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

What is he supsed to do? Give you gifts for eternity? That would bore him to death, he needs to be evil with SOMEONE and the guys upstairs seeto be kind of out of reach.

Isn't that the reason he spreads all his evil and hate over the planet in the eternal struggle for our souls? He tortures you into being evil on earth so you can come join him and be tortured forever? I don't think Satan's that bad of a guy... He WAS an angel once, you know?

 

[sojourner]

Why would a deity create a place of eternal torment? What, if anything, does it say about the deity's morals? Or about the deity's capacity for malice?

I rather suspect that it says more about the people who created the tradition than it does about God.

 

[Freelance_Policeman]

Actually, it's only in pop culture that Satan (who I'm not sure is actually evil) is the ruler of hell. In Christianity, the serpent who is "called" Satan is thrown into the lake of fire, as well as his followers. He apparently was thrown from heaven, then imprisoned, prior to that.

Judaism says little about a place of torment. I have no idea what Islam says about it.

 

[sojourner]

Actually, it's only in pop culture that Satan (who I'm not sure is actually evil) is the ruler of hell. In Christianity, the serpent who is "called" Satan is thrown into the lake of fire, as well as his followers. He apparently was thrown from heaven, then imprisoned, prior to that.

Judaism says little about a place of torment. I have no idea what Islam says about it.

Thank Dante. :fork:

 

[Badran]

i think this is divided into three parts:

1) Why torture at all?

2) Why is it eternal?

3) Why create creation in general if you know before hand you'll end up torturing some people?

I thin it's a clear cut logical impossibility to give a justifying answer to question number two, while having any kind of premise indicating any sense of a good or just god.

In regards to the first question, i think that it depends on the notion of free will. If one believes in it, the idea of punishment or torture might be defensible.

In regards to the third, it's related to the question of why is life created in general and some of the attributes of the proposed god. If that god is proposed to be all-powerful and all-knowing, unaffected by anything, and was as such totally able to refrain from creating, i think it becomes impossible to justify that god's decision in going ahead with creation. As, even if we grant the notion of freewill, that is, grant that the people who will be punished deserve to be punished, it still doesn't justify the decision. Why do something that you know will result in some bad things happening and then some people suffering if you could avoid all that from the beginning. The only answers i could think of are things that would violate the premise of an all-powerful god.

All that is also not going into some of the petty things that are proposed to be enough justification for qualifying for that eternal hell, free will or not.

 

[Me Myself]

You can have consciousness without "free will" .

What on Earth are you punisng then? The consciousness in itself has nothing to do with e choices. Consciousness just is, we all share it. What changes is the experience of said consciousness and such experience is different given different initual attributes on character and the enviromental input that triggers responses from this original system.

Consciousness did nothing wrong anywhere yet it is the one being punished. It makes no sense.

An eternal punishment doesnt make any sense either because there is no purpose to a punishment that is not corrective. That would not be punishment but mere sadism and cruelty.

 

[Sunstone]

I rather suspect that it says more about the people who created the tradition than it does about God.

Indeed.

 

[Muffled]

Why would a deity create a place of eternal torment? What, if anything, does it say about the deity's morals? Or about the deity's capacity for malice?

One might ask why create marijauna if He knew people would smoke it. The fact is that everything has its purpose in creation other than the perversions that men fall into.

 

[Sunstone]

One might ask why create marijauna if He knew people would smoke it. The fact is that everything has its purpose in creation other than the perversions that men fall into.

If so, the purpose of hell seems sadistic.

 

[Muffled]

A better question is, if Hell is the bastion of evil and those who reject God, won't I be celebrated and have an awesome time there? It makes no sense that the king of evil would want to punish me for being... evil...

There is no evidence that spirits find each other in Hell but perhaps the devil would celebrate since I believe he loves to torment people. I believe the time there will be mostly boring except for what is in the person's spirit. In this sense a person takes his treasure to Hell the same way a Christian takes his treasure to Heaven.

On the contrary, I believe the devil loves to punish evil after he gets someone to practice it. It is like a thief who mocks you by holding up your wallet and waving it at you after he has stolen it.

 

[Muffled]

If so, the purpose of hell seems sadistic.

Sadism is punishment for the sake of enjoyment but God takes no joy in punishing the sinner.

 

[Muffled]

Thank Dante. :fork:

Last I looked "the Inferno" was not a book of the Bible.

 

[Sunstone]

Sadism is punishment for the sake of enjoyment but God takes no joy in punishing the sinner.

You seem to be speaking for your God, now. Does he know you're his spokesperson? Or is this freelance work you're doing?

 

[DawudTalut]

Why would a deity create a place of eternal torment? What, if anything, does it say about the deity's morals? Or about the deity's capacity for malice?

Peace be on you.

1) According to Holy Quran, Hell is like hospital:

[101:10] "Hell will be his (nursing) mother." [Holy Quran: alislam.org/quran ]
The words are "fa ummohu haviah"
As when child gets completed, is born. The weak people will be treated and will be out of hell to climb the ladder of progress.

2)

"A time will come when no one will be left in Hell; winds will blow and the windows and doors of Hell will make a rattling noise on account of the blowing winds."

Source: https://www.alislam.org/library/belief.html

 

[McBell]

One might ask why create marijauna if He knew people would smoke it. The fact is that everything has its purpose in creation other than the perversions that men fall into.

Except it is not a fact.
It is merely your opinion.

 

[McBell]

You seem to be speaking for your God, now. Does he know you're his spokesperson? Or is this freelance work you're doing?

It is interesting how many spokesmen god has.
Even more interesting is that they do not agree on very much.