Why Creation by an Omnipotent, Omniscient Deity Is Even More Improbable than Pure Chance

[ChristineM]

They all agree with the Bible that the universe is expanding spreading out, stretching out.

As opposed to a sphere over the earth. The bible is contradictory, choose whichever verses suit you as has been the way since it was written

 

[ChristineM]

Fascinating! It truly is! Thanks.

But the cell’s bi-layered lipid membrane was still not created; the cell‘s outer protective covering was kept. This is quite similar to what Venter & MIT accomplished.

And once again, intelligence was required!

It was intelligently designed.

No “poof” needed.

Maybe intelligence needed to speed up the processes from millions of years to just a few weeks

And still the lif was created in the laboratory

 

[LuisDantas]

If life could come into existence by chance (from non living material), why can't we see it happening in nature all the time, nor even in a laboratory?

Mainly because it already happened, I would think. The existence of living ecosystems directs the biomass towards taking part in the living proccesses.

Were all that material available to interact at random with other parts of itself, there is a very high chance that at some point self-replicating molecules would arise on their own at some point. As they very likely did in the past.

 

[ChristineM]

Do you care that this headline is wildly untrue and misleading? That no life was created in this experiment.

Yes, life was created, using different dna than found in usual.life

 

[wellwisher]

As opposed to a sphere over the earth. The bible is contradictory, choose whichever verses suit you as has been the way since it was written

The current cosmological model assumes that universal space expanding at all points at the same time. This would create what appears to be the overlap of an infinite number of expanding spheres. A Sphere is the locus of points in 3-D equidistant from any given point.

Current science also believes there is no center to the universe. However, science also believes in relative reference So it still places the earth at the center, since this is our only convenient relative reference. The Hubble Telescope orbits the earth so the universe we see, is still relative to an Earth center.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The current cosmological model assumes that universal space expanding at all points at the same time. This would create what appears to be the overlap of an infinite number of expanding spheres. A Sphere is the locus of points in 3-D equidistant from any given point.

Current science also believes there is no center to the universe. However, science also believes in relative reference So it still places the earth at the center, since this is our only convenient relative reference. The Hubble Telescope orbits the earth so the universe we see, is still relative to an Earth center.

That is some massive reinterpretation of the Bible after the fact. That is easy to do with almost any religious text. If you want to impress someone find a verse that described the world correctly before the fact.

 

[PureX]

Yes, life was created, using different dna than found in usual.life

Then you have either been deceived by the title, or you don't understand the experiment. Because no life was created. DNA was altered. But that is not "creating new life". It's just altering DNA.

 

[1213]

What does that have to do with anything? And the earliest life did not even breathe. Molecular oxygen was all but nonexistent at that time.

What do you believe was the earliest life, and why you call it life, if it doesn't breath in any way?

 

[Mock Turtle]

What do you believe was the earliest life, and why you call it life, if it doesn't breath in any way?

Scientists discover first multicellular life that doesn't need oxygen (phys.org)
Unique non-oxygen breathing animal discovered: The tiny relative of the jellyfish is parasitic and dwells in salmon tissue -- ScienceDaily

 

[ChristineM]

Then you have either been deceived by the title, or you don't understand the experiment. Because no life was created. DNA was altered. But that is not "creating new life". It's just altering DNA.

I suggest you re-read it, e-coli with an alien base pair was created. As far as i am aware e-coli is a life form

 

[ChristineM]

The current cosmological model assumes that universal space expanding at all points at the same time. This would create what appears to be the overlap of an infinite number of expanding spheres. A Sphere is the locus of points in 3-D equidistant from any given point.

Current science also believes there is no center to the universe. However, science also believes in relative reference So it still places the earth at the center, since this is our only convenient relative reference. The Hubble Telescope orbits the earth so the universe we see, is still relative to an Earth center.

Yes and?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

As opposed to a sphere over the earth.............

At Isaiah 40:22 God dwells above the circle ( sphere) of the Earth.
An Earth that 'hangs upon nothing' as per Job 26:7. - Job 22:14
Earth is an oblate spheriod

 

[ChristineM]

At Isaiah 40:22 God dwells above the circle ( sphere) of the Earth.
An Earth that 'hangs upon nothing' as per Job 26:7. - Job 22:14
Earth is an oblate spheriod

Yes im sure it worked well to explain the universe to ignorant followers of the time

 

[Subduction Zone]

What do you believe was the earliest life, and why you call it life, if it doesn't breath in any way?

Because "breath" is not a condition for life:

The Characteristics of Life | Biology for Majors I

There were oxidation-reduction reactions in early life, but even though it has the word "oxidation" in it that does not necessarily involve oxygen. Oxygen reaction are merely the most obvious and that is how that sort of reaction got the name "oxidation".

 

[Subduction Zone]

I suggest you re-read it, e-coli with an alien base pair was created. As far as i am aware e-coli is a life form

If any shortcuts are taken the claim is always "You cheated" but when one points out that the actual process likely took millions of years then they try to claim it could not have happened.

For those of you out there that do not understand abiogenesis, the evidence does clearly point to it. There is no evidence for anything else and there is evidence for abiogenesis. Repeating events was never part of getting "evidence" which is a good thing for forensic investigators. Imagine if you had to murder someone to solve the murder case of another. What needs to be repeatable in the sciences are observations. That is why the Miller Urey experiment, even if the atmosphere was wrong, was a success. It demonstrated that amino acids can arise on their own in nature. And of course that has been confirmed in other ways too. Now if one goes so far as to say that the "Miller Urey" experiment "prove abiogenesis" then that is mistake by that person. What it shows is one of the claims that supposed made abiogenesis is impossible has been refuted. At this point it is hard to find any specific anti-abiogenesis claim that has not been refuted.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes im sure it worked well to explain the universe to ignorant followers of the time

Who was the ignorant or un-informed back then who taught the Earth was on the backs of animals.
Whereas, the Bible was telling the Earth hangs upon nothing - Job 26:7B
As far as I know the Earth hangs upon nothing just as the Bible was teachings back then.
Job 9:8 A was also right that God spreads out the heavens......
Stretch out the heavens like a tent curtain - Psalms 104:2 B

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who was the ignorant or un-informed back then who taught the Earth was on the backs of animals.
Whereas, the Bible was telling the Earth hangs upon nothing - Job 26:7B
As far as I know the Earth hangs upon nothing just as the Bible was teachings back then.
Job 9:8 A was also right that God spreads out the heavens......
Stretch out the heavens like a tent curtain - Psalms 104:2 B

Reinterpretation after the fact. The Earth does not "hang". If one reads the OT without prejudice one can see that it is a Flat Earth book. Which makes sense. The Hebrews were not sailors. They had no reason to believe that the Earth was a sphere.

 

[ChristineM]

Who was the ignorant or un-informed back then who taught the Earth was on the backs of animals.
Whereas, the Bible was telling the Earth hangs upon nothing - Job 26:7B
As far as I know the Earth hangs upon nothing just as the Bible was teachings back then.
Job 9:8 A was also right that God spreads out the heavens......
Stretch out the heavens like a tent curtain - Psalms 104:2 B

Flat earth with corners standing on pillers... Nuf said

 

[Pete in Panama]

.. If one reads the OT without prejudice one can see that it is a Flat Earth book. Which makes sense. The Hebrews were not sailors...

That may or may not be true about the OT nor the Israelites (the Hebrews were by then a different group, but I digress). Virtually all of science have given up on Hoyle's steady state universe, I understand that the idea of a beginning goes back a hundred years w/ those that simply applied Einstein's equations.

Just the same please let me stress the fact that I can respect those from many different religious orthodoxies, provided they're willing to agree to an objective true/false and an objective reality. So when u say the OT was "flat earth", are u referring to the passage about "the waters under the earth"? There're many ways we can go w/ that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That may or may not be true about the OT nor the Israelites (the Hebrews were by then a different group, but I digress). Virtually all of science have given up on Hoyle's steady state universe, I understand that the idea of a beginning goes back a hundred years w/ those that simply applied Einstein's equations.

Just the same please let me stress the fact that I can respect those from many different religious orthodoxies, provided they're willing to agree to an objective true/false and an objective reality. So when u say the OT was "flat earth", are u referring to the passage about "the waters under the earth"? There're many ways we can go w/ that.

There are quite a few passages that are flat Earth passages and no spherical Earth passages. The writers appear to have believed that the Earth was flat.