What effect does the clay have on the pot?
Per Advaita Vedanta, "God," which is the highest principle, is Nirguna Brahman. Nirguna Brahman is the substrate upon which forms appear, which makes it quite relevant.
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Why did God Not Allow Humanity To Be All Knowing ?
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Per Advaita Vedanta, "God," which is the highest principle, is Nirguna Brahman. Nirguna Brahman is the substrate upon which forms appear, which makes it quite relevant.
Bird123
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Wisdom is acquired along the journey to Discover knowledge. Would you really want God to leave out the Wisdom. Are you not now on the journey to Discover it all??
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
According to my understanding, the potter makes the pot out of clay. The clay does not affect the pot.
Did you mean substrate? How do the forms appear on God?
The pot is only an appearance of clay. Clay is the substrate.
Yes. I fixed my post. Think of it this way...how does a pot appear on clay?
Clay is the true nature of the pot. The clay is the substratum; the pot is the form and function.
Massimo2002
Active Member
Because God Purposely made humanity ignorant.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Okay, I understand that, but how is God the substrate upon which forms appear?
Are you saying that 'God", according to your understanding, is like the clay (substrate) out of which forms (living things) are made and function?
Close. "Are made" assumes a mechanism of creation. Change "are made" to "appear" and you've pretty much nailed it.
Another analogy (and perhaps a better one to understand) would be the canvas being the substrate on which the painting appears. In this analogy, the canvas would relate to Brahman, the painting would relate to the forum and function, and the paint itself would relate to time/space/causation.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
So Brahman is like the canvas (the substrate) on which the painting (form and function of all of life) appears and the paint is what causes life to appear?
Nailed it!
My understanding is that we are all capable of being omniscient, all knowing, at the end of our spiritual journey to God.
But one way of considering the question is to ask if why people climb mountains when they can have a helicopter deposit them on the summit. There is no personal satisfaction of overcoming obstacles and doing one's best if there's no challenge. We are created to overcome challenges and have the joy of accomplishment.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It always puzzles me why people ask "Why did God do X?" As if we could ever know. Why did God make avocado pits so large? Who knows.
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osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Is there no form and function in Brahman?
What then is Brahman? Is Brahman aware and intelligent? What about personal identity?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The Hindu term of Brahmin is just a placeholder term for what can't be explained or described. Not unlike Dark Matter, Nature, The Universe, God, and in my case , the Continuum.
No.
Satchidananda. Existence/consciousness/bliss.
Brahman is pure intelligence. Intellect is a quality of the mind. Brahman is not the mind.
None.
"Brahmin" is a varna or a caste in Hindu society. Entirely different from what we're discussion here.
Brahman is none of these, though some use "God" as a placeholder for it in discussion. Assigning terms such as dark matter, nature, and the universe assigns qualities and/or attributes to it. Para (Nirguna) Brahman is without qualities or attributes.
How do we know that we aren't capable of knowing all that there is to know - it may be possible in the future, and our knowledge is still in the infant stage as regards many things? I think perhaps we have short-sightedness as one facet of our nature, given we all tend to have relatively short lives, fail to acknowledge all too often how times were very different for our predecessors, and cannot see the sweep of time that easily. No doubt for long periods of our evolutionary history we hardly moved in terms of progress, and until we developed symbolic language and writing, leading to appropriate thinking skills, we could not have appreciated what existence consists of - even if only in a material sense. Of course if one prefers a Godly explanation then this might not make any sense, but unless one has a particular belief in some religious doctrine how would we know what properties any God has?
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
Ignorant of what precisely?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
First, I think this is a physical limitation on the human brain.
Second, if everyone knew everything and understood everything, there would be no diversity in thought, there would be no challenge, no advancement, no progress at all. Therefore the lack of knowlege and understanding is not necessiarly indicative of an evil god, it also indicates a god which values diversity and improvement.
From the bible... Genesis...
4:6
And the Lord said to Cain, Why are you angry? and why is your countenance fallen?
4:7
If you do well ( improve ), shall you not be accepted? and if you do not well, sin lies at the door. And to you shall be his desire, and yet you may rule over him.
You may rule over your sin and desires = improvement.There's other issues with god bestowing perfection of any sort on creation, but, hopefully what I wrote above is an adaquate answer to your question.
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Why do you think so?