Why did Jesus call himself ‘a man’ in John 8:40

[Soapy]

There are many claims that Jesus Christ is Almighty God (or, just ‘God’) by certain factions of Christianity. But every such claim is destroyed by Jesus, himself.

Jesus did not ever claim to be Almighty God since no one in scriptures ever claimed that he was God such that he should deny it.

Certain ones of the Jews did accuse him of being ‘EQUAL’ to God because, due to pagan belief, a Son of [a] God is said to be the equal of that God (see Egyptian Pharoah God-Man myths).

Jesus immediately shot that blasphemous claim down, saying, ‘I did not call myself “God”. … I only said that God was my Father’.

However, despite Jesus’ claims that he was ‘a man SENT BY GOD’, factions today still deny Jesus’ words and desire to worship him AS GOD against the command of God that mankind should not worship a man nor an angel but almighty God alone.

You’ve all heard the dispute and subscribe to various ideas about this denial of Jesus. But this thread is simply asking about this verse:

• “you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” (John 8:40)

Here, Jesus is remonstrating with some Jews about their lack of willingness to follow the commands of God, and that as a result they are seeking ways to kill him because he, Jesus, is reminding them of the laws.

But notice that Jesus does not claim the laws are his laws, nor that he is almighty God, but that he ‘IS A MAN’.

So the Jews did not believe Jesus was Almighty God, did not wonder at his claim of being a man, but only accused him of being ‘demon-possessed’:

• “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?” (John 8:48)

So, if Jesus, and the Jews, did not even begin to think Jesus was almighty God, and therefore Jesus never had to utter a defence against a claim that he was almighty God (note: being EQUAL TO God is not the same as BEJNG ALMIGHTY GOD! Yet Jesus even DENIED that fallacious pagan claim!), why do Christian’s factions today, claim Jesus WAS / IS almighty God?

Is it a blasphemous claim to attribute the position of the Most High GOD to one from mankind?

 

[Soapy]

And John the Baptist, in reference to Jesus, sad:

• John testified, “I saw the Holy Spirit descending like a dove from heaven and resting upon him. I myself did not know Him, but the One who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.” (John 1:32-34)

And Jesus himself says:

• “As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.” (John 8:40)

The Sanhedrin spoke, saying about Jesus:

• ‘You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.” (John 11:50)

Jesus calls himself, ‘a man’

John the Baptist calls Jesus, ‘a man’

The Jews called Jesus ‘a man’

ALMIGHTY GOD calls Jesus HIS SERVANT!

Yet trinity says that Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD!!

So which takes precedence? Jesus or God??

Since Jesus was subject to all things pertaining to humanity, was ‘GOD’ TRAPPED in Jesus’ flesh body and limited in what ALMIGHTY GOD could do?

 

[pearl]

For Catholics Jesus is always God the Son, never God the Father.

 

[Soapy]

For Catholics Jesus is always God the Son, never God the Father.

I feel sorry for the Catholics.

Where did the title, ‘God the Son’ come from?

In fact, there is no title even as ‘God the Father’.

Ooh… I hear loud screams and flicking of Bible pages and fingers pointing at lines and words….

No! Friends, IT DOES NOT SAY ‘GOD THE FATHER’…

It says, ‘GOD, the Father’….

Do you see that little comma? It is a very important punctuation mark. It acts as a short ‘PAUSE’ vocally equivalent to:

• ‘GOD….. the Father’

and textually as:

• ‘God, WHO IS the Father’

Now, I challenge everyone in this forum to find a corresponding text from the Bible scriptures that says:

• ‘God, the Son’
• ‘God the son’ (without a comma!)
• ‘Son is God’

 

[101G]

Now, I challenge everyone in this forum to find a corresponding text from the Bible scriptures that says:

• ‘God, the Son’
• ‘God the son’ (without a comma!)
• ‘Son is God’

this will cover all the above. Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

the Son is God.



101G.

 

[101G]

For Catholics Jesus is always God the Son, never God the Father.

Pearl, don't sell yourself short. Jesus is Father and Son. example. who created all things?" answer Jesus the Ordinal First, who is Father. remember God, who is an ECHAD of himself in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and or RANK is himself shared in flesh.

so Jesus as the Ordinal First is Father, and Jesus the Ordinal Last is the Son who Redeemed and saved all that he created in the beginning.

101G.

 

[101G]

No! Friends, IT DOES NOT SAY ‘GOD THE FATHER’…

It says, ‘GOD, the Father’….

tell us this, James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

who is God .... "AND" ..... the Father.

now the term God again, Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things." so God is our Saviour? ..... in all things? Hosea 13:4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."

now this, John 4:42 "And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world." and this, Philippians 3:20 "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:"

101G.

 

[Soapy]

this will cover all the above. Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

the Son is God.



101G.

No! 101G.

That is a poetic SONG in which the words ‘O God’ mean ‘O mighty one’.

There are many persons or things that can be ‘God’ but which CLEARLY do not refer to YHWH; ALMIGHTY GOD.

The verse is speaking of a FUTURE RULERSHIP which will be established at the end of time and which thereafter never end.

The one true God’s rulership is THEN, NOW, and ALWAYS…

Besides, your response does not address the question asked.

Just asking though: How is the Son God when the son says his Father is greater than he?

If the son is God and that son has a God greater than himself, isn’t that exactly as I pointed out above that you are merely referring to ‘A Mighty One’, again, and not ‘THE MIGHTY ONE’, which is YHWH?

 

[Soapy]

tell us this, James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

who is God .... "AND" ..... the Father.

now the term God again, Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things." so God is our Saviour? ..... in all things? Hosea 13:4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."

now this, John 4:42 "And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world." and this, Philippians 3:20 "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:"

101G.

What is all that suppose to mean?

All you are saying is exactly what is true - that God is the Father, and that Father means:

• ‘Creator’
• ‘He that gives life’
• ‘He that brings forth that which did not exist’

And as for ‘Saviour’… You do know that ‘Jesus’ is actually ‘Joshua’ (‘Yeshua’) and means:

• ‘He who Saves’

In the Torah, JOSHUA SAVED the Israelites into the promised land… How many SAVIOURS are there in the Scriptures?:

1. Noah SAVED his family
2. Two angels SAVED Lot
3. David SAVED the Israelites
4. An angel SAVED Ahab
5. … how many more…

But WHO INITIATED the SAVING… who ORDERED that there should be a salvation?

God said he would ‘SEND A SAVIOUR’… which is envisioned in the titles, ‘MESSIAH’/‘CHRIST’, which is who the Jews were eagerly awaiting to SAVE THEM FROM the ROMANS!!

 

[101G]

That is a poetic SONG in which the words ‘O God’ mean ‘O mighty one’.

GINOLJC, to all
Who told you that Lie? "O" God is the definite article in use. instead of poetry you might need to study Grammer. SO, YOU'RE REPROVED THERE.

There are many persons or things that can be ‘God’

Another ERROR, called? BUT NOT IS... reproved again.

The verse is speaking of a FUTURE RULERSHIP which will be established at the end of time and which thereafter never end.

well now, why did you LIE as say it was poetic?

The one true God’s rulership is THEN, NOW, and ALWAYS…

and that's the Lord Jesus

Besides, your response does not address the question asked.

it do

Just asking though: How is the Son God when the son says his Father is greater than he?

Greater how? in quality or quantity. you don't KNOW... do you, just as the servant is not Greater than his Master ... RIGHT? well let's see. John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

do you see it now? "the works that I do shall he do also" but LISTEN, " and greater works than these shall he do".
Now soapy, is any of the Lord Jesus servants... or disciple "GREATER" than him? ... now instead of poetry you better understand GRAMMER. now go and look up the difference between quality and quantity. ........ LEARN something.

If the son is God and that son has a God greater than himself, isn’t that exactly as I pointed out above that you are merely referring to ‘A Mighty One’, again, and not ‘THE MIGHTY ONE’, which is YHWH?

did you not read and understand? listen,Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." WHO is God's "own" arm? God himself. it's not 101G's arm, nor soapy's arm but his OWN Arm.... correct. God himself ... correct. now this, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"

who is God's ARM? he himself... God. and here in Isaiah 53 God's "OWN" Arm is Revealed. now who do you believe that is his OIW@N ARM?

now to prove that JESUS is the SAME one God as Father and Son, as to being "GOD" just take the Revelation acid Test. LISTEN, and LEARN.

"THE NAME OF MY GOD IS ME"..... study this scripture closely, this is JESUS speaking. Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." Revelation 3:13 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

question time....... who Name did he write upon them that was overcomer? Listen, and I, I, I, I will write upon him the name of my God,
" I, I, I, I will write upon him my, my, my, my, new name".

who name did he write? answer, his "OWN" ..... "OWN" ..... "OWN" name, remember, MY OWN ARM... Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."


this is just 2 easy not to be understood.
101G.

 

[101G]

What is all that suppose to mean?

All you are saying is exactly what is true - that God is the Father, and that Father means:

• ‘Creator’
• ‘He that gives life’
• ‘He that brings forth that which did not exist’

And as for ‘Saviour’… You do know that ‘Jesus’ is actually ‘Joshua’ (‘Yeshua’) and means:

• ‘He who Saves’

In the Torah, JOSHUA SAVED the Israelites into the promised land… How many SAVIOURS are there in the Scriptures?:

1. Noah SAVED his family
2. Two angels SAVED Lot
3. David SAVED the Israelites
4. An angel SAVED Ahab
5. … how many more…

But WHO INITIATED the SAVING… who ORDERED that there should be a salvation?

God said he would ‘SEND A SAVIOUR’… which is envisioned in the titles, ‘MESSIAH’/‘CHRIST’, which is who the Jews were eagerly awaiting to SAVE THEM FROM the ROMANS!!

see the above post

101G.

 

[Soapy]

see the above post

101G.

So no answer then!!

 

[Soapy]

GINOLJC, to all
Who told you that Lie? "O" God is the definite article in use. instead of poetry you might need to study Grammer. SO, YOU'RE REPROVED THERE.

Another ERROR, called? BUT NOT IS... reproved again.

well now, why did you LIE as say it was poetic?

and that's the Lord Jesus

it do

Greater how? in quality or quantity. you don't KNOW... do you, just as the servant is not Greater than his Master ... RIGHT? well let's see. John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

do you see it now? "the works that I do shall he do also" but LISTEN, " and greater works than these shall he do".
Now soapy, is any of the Lord Jesus servants... or disciple "GREATER" than him? ... now instead of poetry you better understand GRAMMER. now go and look up the difference between quality and quantity. ........ LEARN something.


did you not read and understand? listen,Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." WHO is God's "own" arm? God himself. it's not 101G's arm, nor soapy's arm but his OWN Arm.... correct. God himself ... correct. now this, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"

who is God's ARM? he himself... God. and here in Isaiah 53 God's "OWN" Arm is Revealed. now who do you believe that is his OIW@N ARM?

now to prove that JESUS is the SAME one God as Father and Son, as to being "GOD" just take the Revelation acid Test. LISTEN, and LEARN.

"THE NAME OF MY GOD IS ME"..... study this scripture closely, this is JESUS speaking. Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." Revelation 3:13 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

question time....... who Name did he write upon them that was overcomer? Listen, and I, I, I, I will write upon him the name of my God,
" I, I, I, I will write upon him my, my, my, my, new name".

who name did he write? answer, his "OWN" ..... "OWN" ..... "OWN" name, remember, MY OWN ARM... Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."


this is just 2 easy not to be understood.
101G.

If Jesus is writing the name of HIS GOD on the believers, how is Jesus the god that is HIS GOD?

 

[101G]

If Jesus is writing the name of HIS GOD on the believers, how is Jesus the god that is HIS GOD?

u can't READ with understanding either I see. Read the verse carefully. Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

now the answer, "HIS GOD/MY GOD IS HIM IN THE ECHAD".

I just cannot believe people cannot discern a simple scripture like this.... just unbelieble.

soapy, this is a TEST.... 101G says this.... "I will write the name of My Father on a tablet, yes I will write my/101G name on the tablet". ok, soapy who name did I write on the tablet? your answer please.

101G

 

[101G]

If Jesus is writing the name of HIS GOD on the believers, how is Jesus the god that is HIS GOD?

in the best English, he aren't, because he's God himself in the ECHAD of Ordinal First, and Ordinal Last. his God is HIM.....

this is how I know U don't know anything ..... when u ask ... "if". that tells it all.

101G.

 

[Jimmy]

It isn’t until Jesus dies that his glory is revealed.

 

[101G]

To all,
Some might understand what I teach and believe. "Diversified Oneness", NOT Oneness as the UPIC and a few other teach, NO, 101G teach Diversified ONENESS.

it's understanding. the "EQUALLY Sharing of God as ONE Person in an ECHAD of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.
TIME: Beginning and End.

PLACE: Eternal Existence, and Local Existence, or better known as The Intrinsic Spatial.

ORDER: Ordinal First and Ordinal Last

RANK: LORD, all capitalization, and Lord, only the "L" is capitalized

with this KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING, any and all question concerning "God" are ANSWERED in this one doctrine. which was taught by God himself unto his disciples, and apostles. and now taught to 101G.

101G.

 

[101G]

It isn’t until Jesus dies that his glory is revealed.

thanks for the reply. but only in the NEW CREATION is it revealed. for his Glory in this present creation was seen from the beginning.

101G

 

[Twilight Hue]

I feel sorry for the Catholics.

Where did the title, ‘God the Son’ come from?

In fact, there is no title even as ‘God the Father’.

Ooh… I hear loud screams and flicking of Bible pages and fingers pointing at lines and words….

No! Friends, IT DOES NOT SAY ‘GOD THE FATHER’…

It says, ‘GOD, the Father’….

Do you see that little comma? It is a very important punctuation mark. It acts as a short ‘PAUSE’ vocally equivalent to:

• ‘GOD….. the Father’

and textually as:

• ‘God, WHO IS the Father’

Now, I challenge everyone in this forum to find a corresponding text from the Bible scriptures that says:

• ‘God, the Son’
• ‘God the son’ (without a comma!)
• ‘Son is God’

Punctuation as it's used in its context now, did not exist until after the death of the mythological Christ.

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[Jimmy]

thanks for the reply. but only in the NEW CREATION is it revealed. for his Glory in this present creation was seen from the beginning.

thanks for the reply. but only in the NEW CREATION is it revealed. for his Glory in this present creation was seen from the beginning.

101G

Huh?