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Why did the blood have to touch people?

e.r.m.

e.r.m.

Church of Christ
Hebrews 9:18-22 (ISV) 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19 For after every commandment in the Law had been spoken to all the people by Moses, he took the blood of calves and goats,[a] together with some water, scarlet wool, and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God ordained for you.” 21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and everything used in worship. 22 In fact, under the Law almost everything is cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of the blood there is no forgiveness.

Why did the blood have to be sprinkled on people in order to achieve cleansing? Why couldn't the recipient of the cleansing just 'accept' the sacrifice being done on his behalf? What was the purpose of the blood making contact with the person?

Thank you.
 
rusra02

rusra02

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Premium Member
e.r.m. said:
Hebrews 9:18-22 (ISV) 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19 For after every commandment in the Law had been spoken to all the people by Moses, he took the blood of calves and goats,[a] together with some water, scarlet wool, and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God ordained for you.” 21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and everything used in worship. 22 In fact, under the Law almost everything is cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of the blood there is no forgiveness.

Why did the blood have to be sprinkled on people in order to achieve cleansing? Why couldn't the recipient of the cleansing just 'accept' the sacrifice being done on his behalf? What was the purpose of the blood making contact with the person?

Thank you.
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I believe this was a special occasion, when the Law covenant was inaugurated between Jehovah and the nation of Israel. Normally, blood from animal sacrifices was not sprinkled on the offerer, but rather only on the alter of sacrifice. (Leviticus 1:3-5) Insight on the Scriptures notes: "When the Mosaic Law covenant was put into operation, it was solemnly initiated by suitable ceremonies involving animal sacrifices and the sprinkling of blood on the altar, on the book, and on the people. This event was referred to by the apostle Paul as the act of inaugurating that covenant."—Ex 24:4-8; Heb 9:18-20.
BTW, Exodus clearly shows the blood was sprinkled on the people.
 
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Harikrish

Active Member
Here is Jesus in his own words. The red letter bible highlights the quotes in red. Jesus is offering his flesh and blood to be eaten so that those who do will have eternal life. So it is not enough to just believe in him. You have to actually taste him.


John 6: 53 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
 
Simplelogic

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
e.r.m. said:
Hebrews 9:18-22 (ISV) 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19 For after every commandment in the Law had been spoken to all the people by Moses, he took the blood of calves and goats,[a] together with some water, scarlet wool, and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God ordained for you.” 21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and everything used in worship. 22 In fact, under the Law almost everything is cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of the blood there is no forgiveness.

Why did the blood have to be sprinkled on people in order to achieve cleansing? Why couldn't the recipient of the cleansing just 'accept' the sacrifice being done on his behalf? What was the purpose of the blood making contact with the person?

Thank you.
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The author of Hebrews is clearly not versed in the Torah. He makes 4 errors in this text alone which proves this.
 
Simplelogic

Simplelogic

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First error- “Calves and goats” - Goats were not used in this sacrifice. YHVH selected only oxen.

Second error- The blood was only sprinkled on the people, not the book.

Third error- There was no mention of “water, scarlet wool, hyssop” at all in this passage. He is confusing this story with Leviticus 14, which was used for the cleansing of a leper.

Fourth error- Once again, the author of Hebrews conveniently cuts off a verse in mid sentence. There seems to be a repeated theme of this author cutting off verses right before they mention the Torah. Interesting.

Hebrews says:
20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you ________????.”

Torah says:
, “This is the blood of the covenant which the Lord has made with you according to all these words.” Torah!! Exo 24:8
 
Gnostic Seeker

Gnostic Seeker

Spiritual
@Simplelogic

Kinda interesting how Paul's a Pharisee, yet he never mentions anything Gamaliel taught him huh? ;)

Wheras the Mishna says a good student is like a cistern that loses not a drop of master's teaching.
 
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Harikrish

Active Member
Gnostic Seeker said:
It isn't established that Paul was the actual author of Hebrews, but if he was than he's certainly done some twisting and re-working of what he's referencing. The Torah doesn't word it that way anywhere.
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The Torah was written in a way that it could be easily twisted. For example prophesies had no time limit and could be applied to events happening hundreds and thousands of years later. God was addressed in the plural form suggesting many Gods or even a committee of Gods as in 'let us'. It appears the Hebrew language is more suited for bartering than for its precise meaning and application. That is why we have three different interpretations of the original text, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
 
Gnostic Seeker

Gnostic Seeker

Spiritual
Harikrish said:
The Torah was written in a way that it could be easily twisted. For example prophesies had no time limit and could be applied to events happening hundreds and thousands of years later. God was addressed in the plural form suggesting many Gods or even a committee of Gods as in 'let us'. It appears the Hebrew language is more suited for bartering than for its precise meaning and application. That is why we have three different interpretations of the original text, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
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That pertains to what I pointed out how exactly?
 
Simplelogic

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
Gnostic Seeker said:
Yes, I still find it amusing that whoever wrote Galatians actually says Jesus died the death of a false prophet, but re-worked it into atonement theology.
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There is no worse logic then the concepts found in Galatians and Romans. Yeshua never said anything like this.
 
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Harikrish

Active Member
Gnostic Seeker said:
That pertains to what I pointed out how exactly?
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I am pointing out Hebrew is not a precise language and God should not have chosen to have his message written in Hebrew because it can be easily twisted. God should have picked Arabic or Sanskrit instead because of their accuracy and unambiguous precision.
 
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Harikrish

Active Member
Simplelogic said:
There is no worse logic then the concepts found in Galatians and Romans. Yeshua never said anything like this.
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Again Paul a Pharisee was the author of both Galatians and Romans. Paul used his bartering skills as a Jew to appeal to the Gentiles. He was known as the apostle of the Gentiles.
 
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