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Why didn't Kamala Harris want to debate Donald Trump?

anotherneil

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No, it was RW sources saying Trump agreed to it. Nothing set in stone, nothing agreed to by Harris, juat Trump running his mouth.
What is "RW sources" supposed to mean? RW as in "right wing" & if so, is the argument that they are dishonest because they're "RW"? That would be an ad hom attack. It would also be cherry picking if LW are at least as dishonest.

So if it's Kamala Harris, it's that she never agreed to it and that doesn't maker her a chicken, but if Trump hadn't agreed at the time for the ABC debate last month then he's a chicken? That would be a double standard. Did he originally agree with a debate with Kamala Harris on ABC, then back out, then go back to agreeing to it because he's a chicken?
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
Basically you started an inane thread and are inanely trying to dig yourself into an even deeper hole of inanity.

There are so many awful partisan threads on this awful election, but you still have managed to make the worst one, which you are embarrassingly trying to defend.

Well done :trophy::100:
Irrelevant.
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
Trump tried to back out of the Sept 10 debate when it wasn't Biden, when that flopped, he proposed three debates under unreasonable terms the first of which was to be Sept. 4, Harris stood her ground and said no, The Sept. 10 date was what you agreed for a presidential debate and that is where I will be. That attempt of his to bluster his way in also failed and so now he is going back to the original date.
The true story of this which apparently you missed, was DJT trying to bluster his way into a situation that he thought would be in his favor, racous presentation with a live audience to cheer and cat call. After prior experience nobody was going to give it to him so he backed down and backed down so far that he wouldn't even have live mics because his handlers objected.
She did nothing except state that she was holding to the original date and didn't care what the weirdo did. He capitulated.
So Trump had agreed to a debate with Biden - not Harris - yet despite this nuisance of a fact he wanted to "back out" of a debate with Harris that he had never agreed to have with her at the time. Very clever.
 

anotherneil

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Um, it was Trump, not Harris, that finally agreed to the debate as the second Biden/Trump debate was canceled for obvious reasons.
For the sake of clarity to the audience - what is this "obvious reason" you speak of? I'm not going to make assumptions. Is it because Biden dropped out of the race, or a different reason?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
For the sake of clarity to the audience - what is this "obvious reason" you speak of? I'm not going to make assumptions. Is it because Biden dropped out of the race, or a different reason?

Biden dropped out and then there was the Democratic convention, all of which was "fast & furious". With the upcoming debate, there had to be ground rules established and debate preparation. This isn't exactly rocket science.
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
Just five days earlier, he had declared he would not debate on ABC and said his agreement with the network had been “terminated.” He wrote on his social media site that if Harris wouldn’t appear on Fox News on Sept. 4 instead, “I won’t see her at all.”

On Thursday, he announced a change of heart — and tried to pressure Harris to agree to two more September debates on Fox and on NBC.

Darn @anotherneil , that reality thing gets in the way of another Trump story, like his helicopter crash with imaginary people on board.
Ok, so the point of contention with the ABC debate has nothing to do with Harris; it has to do with a dispute he has with ABC.

Now, back to the thread topic - why wouldn't Kamala Harris debate Donald Trump on September 4th? I still don't have an answer to my question, and that's what this thread is for, an answer to my question.
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
Biden dropped out and then there was the Democratic convention, all of which was "fast & furious". With the upcoming debate, there had to be ground rules established and debate preparation. This isn't exactly rocket science.
Thank you for responding except for the "this isn't exactly rocket science" quip; for that quip, I'll present you with this:

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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Ok, so the point of contention with the ABC debate has nothing to do with Harris; it has to do with a dispute he has with ABC.

Now, back to the thread topic - why wouldn't Kamala Harris debate Donald Trump on September 4th? I still don't have an answer to my question, and that's what this thread is for, an answer to my question.
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
This is basically about an alleged false claim that Kamala Harris backed out of the September 4th debate, not about why she wouldn't debate Trump on that day (in that sense this is a strawman).

I only want to know why she would not debate him on September 4th; I didn't assert or post anything that did assert that she backed out, as far as I'm aware; if I did, I would appreciate bringing that to my attention & I'll gladly admit to such an error.

This article poses to me another question; did Kamala Harris initially agree to the September 4th debate, despite possibly not being publicly announced (maybe there was a private meeting to negotiate debate agreements between the 2 teams) to then back out of it? I'll accept any direct official source from Kamala Harris or her campaign team stating that at no time had they ever agreed to the September 4th debate, publicly or privately. A reason for why she wouldn't debate him on September 4th would also be good - that's what this thread is about.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
So Trump had agreed to a debate with Biden - not Harris - yet despite this nuisance of a fact he wanted to "back out" of a debate with Harris that he had never agreed to have with her at the time. Very clever.
It was a debate between the candidates of the respective parties. that Trump attempted to use the change of candidate as an excuse for totally changing the agreement was his attempt at minimizing his opponent and expressing his power, his bluff was called. Now he is lambasting ABC in an attempt to provide excuses for his potential failure. It is Trump gaslighting as usual and Harris isn't falling for it.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
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Please note this quote from your second link:

"I have agreed with FoxNews to debate Kamala Harris on Wednesday, September 4th," Trump wrote on his social media platform Truth Social. "The Debate was previously scheduled against Sleepy Joe Biden on ABC, but has been terminated in that Biden will no longer be a participant, and I am in litigation against ABC Network and George Slopadopoulos, thereby creating a conflict of interest."

"I have agreed with FoxNews..." Where does it say that Harris also agreed? Biden had, but Biden dropped out. That's not Harris's fault.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
This is basically about an alleged false claim that Kamala Harris backed out of the September 4th debate, not about why she wouldn't debate Trump on that day (in that sense this is a strawman).
- No. It's not a strawman argument. Trump and Biden's 2nd debate was scheduled to be on Fox News, on Sept. 4th 2024. But between the first debate, and this proposed 2nd debate, Biden dropped out. :oops:
- No debate had been set for any date or location between Trump and any other candidate.
- Kamala was the undeniable front runner going into the DNC, but still not the officially chosen one for her party.
- Trump's group and the Right Wing (RW) media (which in fact does have a MUCH higher rate of blatant lies and obvious propaganda than all centrist and Left Wing (LW) media sources combined - please do not be so naive as to claim the equivalency lie) saw an opening they wished to exploit. Namely that they would accuse VP Harris of "backing out" of the Trump/Biden debate of Sept. 4th even, since they conflated Biden/Harris with the yet to be established Harris/Walz campaign. This explains the many articles you cited in a post above. They were ALL intentional misleads. Harris had NEVER agreed to debate Trump, but had PROPOSED Sept. 10th to the Trump campaign. You'll note that all of the propaganda articles say such things as "Trump agrees to Fox debate on Sept. 4th", or "Trump agrees with Fox to debate Harris on Sept. 4th". None go so far as to outright lie, and claim that Harris EVER agreed to debate Trump on Sept. 4th. Common propaganda tactics, so that later, the networks can all claim to have told the "truth". Some go so far as to use phrases like "the Biden/Harris campaign" backed out, etc...
- Eventually, after much hemming and hawing, and sometimes outright refusal, the Trump campaign finally agreed to debate Harris on Sept. 10th, on ABC News.
I only want to know why she would not debate him on September 4th; I didn't assert or post anything that did assert that she backed out, as far as I'm aware; if I did, I would appreciate bringing that to my attention & I'll gladly admit to such an error.
Actually, the entire thread (followed by your utter reliance upon propaganda sites as actual "news sources", is an afront. But so commonly employed and sadly accepted by so many, as to be passe at this point.
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Why didn't Kamala Harris want to debate Donald Trump?​

The POTUS 2024 debate was supposed to take place yesterday & from what I understand, it didn't take place because it seems like Kamala Harris doesn't want to debate Donald Trump.

I wonder why Kamala Harris wouldn't want to debate Donald Trump for POTUS 2024? Was she afraid to debate him, or is there some other reason?
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Why didn't Harris "WANT" to debate The Insurrectionist?
Therein lies the insult. She always wanted to. She has stated and shown many times that she is eager to debate him.
If anything, his period of hemming and hawing, and waffling as to whether he would even dare to try to debate Harris shows clearly how The Insurrectionist is the only one feeling fear about September 10th.
"... it didn't take place because it seems like Kamala Harris doesn't want to debate Donald Trump." is your falling into the propaganda of the RW press, conflating Biden/Harris, with the Harris/Walz campaign (which hadn't even existed when the Sept 4th Biden vs Trump debate was set up.

And that is why all centrists, and left wing supporters, and right wing supporters of Harris would all take umbrage at your title and OP. :shrug:
Not to mention your continued use of false "news sources" as if they were anything but lying propaganda stations.
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
It was a debate between the candidates of the respective parties. that Trump attempted to use the change of candidate as an excuse for totally changing the agreement was his attempt at minimizing his opponent and expressing his power, his bluff was called. Now he is lambasting ABC in an attempt to provide excuses for his potential failure. It is Trump gaslighting as usual and Harris isn't falling for it.
I like your speculation about Trump's motives, but unfortunately this doesn't answer my topic question. Trump hadn't agreed to a debate on a certain network with Harris back then and somehow he's the bad guy for that, but Harris is somehow not the bad guy for not debating Trump on September 4th. If it's because she wanted more time to prepare and it's ok for her to do that, then it's a double standard to not extend the same courtesy to Trump.
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
Far from it. Such a vapid attempt to score partisan points speaks volumes. Especially given your insistence on flogging the living **** out of the dead horse.
What I mean is that what you're saying is irrelevant to the thread topic. I'm irrelevant; I'm not the thread topic.
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
Please note this quote from your second link:

"I have agreed with FoxNews to debate Kamala Harris on Wednesday, September 4th," Trump wrote on his social media platform Truth Social. "The Debate was previously scheduled against Sleepy Joe Biden on ABC, but has been terminated in that Biden will no longer be a participant, and I am in litigation against ABC Network and George Slopadopoulos, thereby creating a conflict of interest."

"I have agreed with FoxNews..." Where does it say that Harris also agreed? Biden had, but Biden dropped out. That's not Harris's fault.
Why are you asking me where does it say that Harris also agreed (with FoxNews)? I never claimed that Harris also agreed to that; you'd have a basis for your question if I did claim that, but since I didn't, I don't know what the basis of your question is.
 
I'm not the thread topic.

You may not have intended to be, but the strangeness of your OP means that the main point of interest is why anyone would make such an odd thread and keep trying to pretend it is perfectly reasonable.

I’ll leave you to amuse yourself though.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
I like your speculation about Trump's motives, but unfortunately this doesn't answer my topic question. Trump hadn't agreed to a debate on a certain network with Harris back then and somehow he's the bad guy for that, but Harris is somehow not the bad guy for not debating Trump on September 4th. If it's because she wanted more time to prepare and it's ok for her to do that, then it's a double standard to not extend the same courtesy to Trump.
Are you incapable of believing anything but Trump propaganda, Trump proposed appropos of nothing a whole string of debates under his terms, Harris said no, I will be at the scheduled Sept. 10 debate, with you or without you. Much irrelevant bluster from Trump and guess what, he will show up at the ABC debate on the originally scheduled Sept. 10 date. The only change proposed was live mics which Trump's handlers didn't want though Trump said he would prefer it. There will not be live mics, just the original arrangement. Everything else from Trump is gaslighting on a deal he already made but now wants to change.
 
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