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Why do men have nipples?

FDRC2014

WHY?
On a genetic and evolutionary level, the answer is obvious. But if you believe that god designed us, why did he design men with nipples?

You can’t just say, because he felt like it. How would you feel if you asked why a pharmacologist designed a drug the way he did, and he said it was just because he felt like it!

Anyway, Darwin noticed this issue in other animals, as rudimentary organs.
Why did god put them there?
One example he uses is a calf, which has teeth that never cut through the gums. Or beetles with wings that cannot fly.

I'm not going to just repeat Darwin's work, you can read it (here, for free, on google.

But here is an abstract of interest:

The fact, as we have seen, that all past and present organic beings constitute one grand natural system, with group subordinate to group, and with extinct groups often falling in between recent groups, is intelligible on the theory of natural selection with its contingencies of extinction and divergence of character. On these same principles we see how it is, that the mutual affinities of the species and genera within each class are so complex and circuitous. We see why certain characters are far more serviceable than others for classification;—why adaptive characters, though of paramount importance to the being, are of hardly any importance in classification; why characters derived from rudimentary parts, though of no service to the being, are often of high classificatory value; and why embryological characters are the most valuable of all. The real affinities of all organic beings are due to inheritance or community of descent. The natural system is a genealogical arrangement, in which we have to discover the lines of descent by the most permanent characters, however slight their vital importance may be.
The framework of bones being similar in the hand of a man, wing of a bat, fin of the porpoise, and leg of the horse,—the same number of vertebrae forming the neck of the giraffe and of the elephant,—and innumerable other such facts, at once explain themselves on the theory of descent with slow and slight successive modifications. The similarity of pattern in the wing and leg of a bat, though used for such different purpose,—in the jaws and legs of a crab,—in the petals, stamens, and pistils of a flower, is likewise intelligible on the view of the gradual modification of parts or organs, which were alike in the early progenitor of each class. On the principle of successive variations not always supervening at an early age, and being inherited at a corresponding not early period of life, we can clearly see why the embryos of mammals, birds, reptiles, and fishes should be so closely alike, and should be so unlike the adult forms. We may cease marvelling at the embryo of an airbreathing mammal or bird having branchial slits and arteries running in loops, like those in a fish which has to breathe the air dissolved in water by the aid of well developed branchiae.
Disuse, aided sometimes by natural selection, will often tend to reduce an organ, when it has become useless by changed habits or under changed conditions of life; and we can clearly understand on this view the meaning of rudimentary organs. But disuse and selection will generally act on each creature, when it has come to maturity and has to play its full part in the struggle for existence, and will thus have little power of acting on an organ during early life; hence the organ will not be much reduced or rendered rudimentary at this early age. The calf, for instance, has inherited teeth, which never cut through the gums of the upper jaw, from an early progenitor having well-developed teeth; and we may believe, that the teeth in the mature animal were reduced, during successive generations, by disuse or by the tongue and palate, or lips, having become better fitted by natural selection to browse without their aid; whereas in the calf, the teeth have been left untouched by selection or disuse, and on the principle of inheritance at corresponding ages have been inherited from a remote period to the present day. On the view of each organic being and each separate organ having been specially created, how utterly inexplicable it is that parts, like the teeth in the embryonic calf or like the shrivelled wings under the soldered wing-covers of some beetles, should thus so frequently bear the plain stamp of inutility! Nature may be said to have taken pains to reveal, by rudimentary organs and by homologous structures, her scheme of modification, which it seems that we wilfully will not understand.

Darwin, Charles. (1861). On The Origin Of Species By Means Of Natural Selection. 3rd Ed.. London: John Murray, Albemarle Street.pp. 512-514​

Why did god make a dolphin a mammal not a fish?
 
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Man of Faith

Well-Known Member
This could be for design economy. At early stages, the human embryos have common characteristics and similar genetic information before the embryo takes on masculine characteristics.

Besides, there is no evidence that man came from anything other than man. That is all imagination.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Why do some men have boobs?

The answer to the boob / nipple thing is that at some point in our evolutionary development, both males and females nourished their young. We also had more than two nipples like other mammals, which is why some people have three or more nipples -- perhaps at one time we had litters rather than just one or so at a time.
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
When a male child is born they excrete milk from their nipple. In this excretion is the excess female hormones (I guess evolution/creation thought this would be a cool way to do it?).
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
This could be for design economy. At early stages, the human embryos have common characteristics and similar genetic information before the embryo takes on masculine characteristics.
Wait... so the "creator" that created the giraffe with a laryngeal nerve that's 15 feet longer than it needs to be (it goes from the brain, down to the heart, and back up to the larynx) is worried about "design economy"?
 

Man of Faith

Well-Known Member
Wait... so the "creator" that created the giraffe with a laryngeal nerve that's 15 feet longer than it needs to be (it goes from the brain, down to the heart, and back up to the larynx) is worried about "design economy"?

I just present the scientific evidence that best fits the profile. :shrug:

Would it be better that once an embryo takes on feminine characteristics, the DNA needs to be modified to add nipples or already have the DNA in all embryos for it to become male or female?
 

FDRC2014

WHY?
Is anyone going to have a stab at the other rudimentary organs Darwin noted (see OP)?

I see many people have had a stab at a scientific reason for men having nipples, which is likely to be true. But this still doesn't explain why god gave them them.
 
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