Why do muslims hate democracy

[Looncall]

Response: To the contrary, it's the Non-Islamic world trying to tell us that they know what is best and that it is perfectly fine to be naked in public because they can control their desires, only to be exposed of their hypocrisy and degrading behavior as they exploit women into rape and molestation by glorifying sex. Showing no shame for the harm and demeaning culture towards women. Whereas Islam serves to uplift and protect women from such degradation.

Such balderdash. After all, muslim men are notorious as rapists in places where women are not hidden away and it is muslim societies such as Egypt that are famous for sexual harassment.

I suspect that the muslim gender apartheid actually increases sex crimes, reduced a little by barbarous punishments. It is better for all when men and women are free and equal and no-one is treated as livestock.

 

[outhouse]

I see that those (no one specific in mind) who think they know everything (while they either don't, or know something completely wrong) have emerged again

So much misinformation about Islam. Not to mention mixing Islam (a religion) with Muslims' doings (people). This is sad

That's because the pieces of trash in life are often the most loudest and up front in your face flying a flag of ignorance and hatred promoting stereotypes.


Need more like you


Now if I could just get you to face history one small step at a time.

 

[outhouse]

Quran is the first and the foremost source of guidance for Muslims whatever the denomination.

Which is sad as hell.

Why cannot they guide themselves?, anyone who needs ancient mens mythology to live by, is not right in my opinion.

 

[idav]

For the OP we can take into I account their democratic endeavours within their own religious factions. Theocracies need to be able to better handle opposing theocracies with a little less bloodshed, like with diplomacy. I am right so die mentality has got to go.

 

[Estro Felino]

Response: Not at all. Clothes are worn as a reflection of a person. And look at what you just stated yourself. A woman could not get a boyfriend until she wore sexy clothes. This makes my point. As she resorted to sex appeal for male companionship, instead of relying on her inner beauty and character. The very same thing a prostitute or promiscuous person does.

Is it my fault if men here won't look at women, unless they wear sexy clothes and put on makeup?
What should my friend have done? remain single?

I don't think that there are men out there interested in woman's brain..
and I think that it is completely normal that a miniskirt and fishnet stockings draw men's attention more than sweatpants

 

[Smart_Guy]

That's because the pieces of trash in life are often the most loudest and up front in your face flying a flag of ignorance and hatred promoting stereotypes.

Need more like you

Now if I could just get you to face history one small step at a time.

It's okay man. I wouldn't call them pieces of trash tho. They are people just like me and you and people are not perfect, we make mistakes. Sometimes we make some so very long term mistakes then realize that too late.

And mistakes differ. There are mistakes that trouble one's self only and there are mistakes that hurt others. The latter is much more dangerous and hard on us to repent for once realized, because it would have affected both sides which means double trouble.

I made a promise to never hurt others as much as possible no matter what they do to me, even if they deserved it. I fail to keep that promise from time to time, but I have improved so much lately

I just hope they feel it, realize their mistakes and do the same. Bless you all

 

[outhouse]

I wouldn't call them pieces of trash tho. They are people just like me and you and people are not perfect, we make mistakes. Sometimes we make some so very long term mistakes then realize that too late.

More often then not, they fall to their own devises.


These people give good muslims the bad name, and for different reasons.

These are the extremist, not just wayward muslims. These are the people that kill more muslims then anything else.


If I could stop them I would. I don't know you, your not family, but if I could help I would not let my difference in historical education stop me. I would help.

I might seem hostile by pointing out what I perceive as wrong, im not perfect and could be wrong, I am quite often. I don't just pick on muslim errors, I fight against all so don't take it personal.

I wish you luck

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Like what good beneficial can a theocracy have?
History has shown its the worst set of rule ever made. With democracy people can decide whats for the best. Equality for men and female, everyone has rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion.

Not saying all support this. But Islamic countries in middle east seem to be for theocracy, Sharia Laws etc.

Not all Muslims hate democracy.

Though to be fair democracy doesn't mean equal rights for men and women or anyone for that matter. It just means that its citizens (now what qualifies someone as a citizen is a different matter) has voting power to either elect officials or make decisions themselves.

But Islam in the Islamic nations of the world favor Theocracies just as many Christian nations have in the past. Or currently if you want to count the Vatican. But Muslims believe that Allah is the one true god and that only through Islam and Muhammad's message were you able to live correctly. So it would only make sense to have a theocracy. However that doesn't pan out when you live in pluralistic societies like most of the developed western countries are today.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Response: The message of the Qur'an opposes the beliefs and likes of others. For example, Christians believe in the trinity, the Qur'an says it is a false teaching and a sin. Christians say Jesus is crucified. Qur'an says this is false. Jews claim Muhammad is not a prophet. Muhammad says he is one. Pagans believed in many gods. Qur'an says such a belief is a sin. many believe it is okay to drink alcohol. Qur'an forbids it. Etc..

Sure, but that only applies to the initial establishment of Islam if it were replacing ordered societies based on Christian, or even coherent pagan principles.

In fact it established a foothold prior to the documentation of the Qur'an at all, largely due to Muhammad's ability to promote order in regions where peace and order were lacking.

This has nothing to do with the Qur'an's position on the Trinity, nor on whether the Jews accept Muhammad as a prophet.

You'd run a better argument if you claimed Muhammad's ability to play peacemaker (initially) was divinely inspired than your current line about people accepting that which they do not like. People like peace, and are commonly willing to trade a level of liberty for it.

As you can see, the message of Islam oppose the likes and beliefs of those who are not Muslims. Hence the challenge. For the challenge shows that it is humanly impossible to conquer and rule a nation or just the street you live on, by inspiring followers with human-made speech that goes against their liking. If you say otherwise, then take the challenge and prove differently. When you fail, because you will, your own failure will show as evidence that performing such an act is humanly impossible. Thereby demonstrating that the speech of the Qur'an is not human-made, but of divine origin. You disagree? Then simply answer the challenge and prove differently.

You understand that you don't get to be proscriptive, right? Trying to box a debate into a single line of questioning, with you setting the terms is not only of little value, it's informative.

Do you think that Muslims are inspired by the Qur'an now? I'll bet that some are and some aren't. Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that 90% of Muslims are inspired by the Qur'an. Such a thing is impossible, given the percentage of illiteracy, but let's run with 90%, since it doesn't really matter.

Why do the others follow Islam?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As for the rest, we should live in a society that promotes what is best. So in regards for women, it is better for women to be covered and not reveal her body or curves, rather that the opposite, and a woman should not be allowed to do the opposite. For it is not what is best for her or the society in regards to prevent promiscuity and molestation. Being covered is the better deterrent.

This is the fundamental difference between us. You promote freedom to do whatever we like. I on the other hand do not, and promote only what is best, whether a person likes it or not.

Then how do you explain the amount of sexual assaults in places like the U.E.A. or Iran?

Response: To the contrary, it's the Non-Islamic world trying to tell us that they know what is best and that it is perfectly fine to be naked in public because they can control their desires, only to be exposed of their hypocrisy and degrading behavior as they exploit women into rape and molestation by glorifying sex. Showing no shame for the harm and demeaning culture towards women. Whereas Islam serves to uplift and protect women from such degradation.

Nudity in the Western world is not that simple. In America, where there is a very high rate of sex crimes, everyone will know of an exposed nipple on TV even if you didn't see it yourself because so many people are making such a big fuss over it. So how do you account for this? Societies were women are completely covered up have to have male witnesses to prove she was raped or she is condemned as an adulterer, and a Western society were it's believed any sort of nudity will destroy a child's cognitive development, and there is a high rate of sexual assualts.

 

[Phil25]

Don't you find it odd that no one ever agrees with you?

He's got two frubals. Someone agreed with him

 

[xkatz]

Response: Likewise.

Is that your punch-line?

As for the OP, I think people in the West too often conflate democracy with secular liberalism. Democracy does not always manifest itself in the same manner in different societies.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Is that your punch-line?

As for the OP, I think people in the West too often conflate democracy with secular liberalism. Democracy does not always manifest itself in the same manner in different societies.

Response: Yes. Democracy has its advantages as well as its disadvantages.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Such balderdash. After all, muslim men are notorious as rapists in places where women are not hidden away and it is muslim societies such as Egypt that are famous for sexual harassment.

I suspect that the muslim gender apartheid actually increases sex crimes, reduced a little by barbarous punishments. It is better for all when men and women are free and equal and no-one is treated as livestock.

Response: Men are notoriously known to rape in non-fiction societies as well so your point is pointless and still does not change the fact t that in non-muslim societies is the degradation and exploitation of women is actually allowed and glorified. Not in Islam.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Actually science has proved that each man has freewill. So humans are perfectly capable of deciding for themselves without being influenced by anyone.
One more thing: if you see that people are promiscuous, you should consider yourself better than them, and be happy for it.

I don't know what is the relationship of emotions in democracy
And do you know Mohammad emotions and humanity when he married Safia neighborhood
When her husband was killed on the same night wetzohaha
Please review your later spoke with us about emotions

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The fact is that they can't leave their culture, because they would ashame themself of that apparently. Even though not all cultures are good, take human sacrifice in the Aztecs for example.

People can live together, but cultures can't. Unless they are tollerant of others. That's about it atleast. Like if another culture says honor killings, killing for apostacy is the right thing to do, then that's obviously bad!. Sad thing is not all people see the horrors in killing someone for believing in something else, that's like the worst crime of all. Killing someone for not agreeing with you.

But it depends on how it will evolve. Like if they plan on changing their mindset about right and wrong, and not go ape$hit if someone does something against their religion, like depict their prophet or make some jokes about it.

One can simply be like "I don't like it" or to think of it as immature. But to threaten people over it is taking it too far.

I think earlier muslims depicted muhammad, and some today still do this to this day, like Iran for example. But i just imagine that "Shia" to our eyes are the protestants. And "Sunni" are the catholics, the strict ones, holy wars and inquisition people.

But then again, protestants and catholics history is past when it comes to killing who is right.

So i wonder how many years it will take for muslims to settle down and just build up a country for the better without killing who is right and wrong, and just accept some are right and some are wrong. And just end it in a debate or something.

You are a mix between tradition and religious thought
Because religious thought influenced traditions
Therefore Islamic religious thought cannot be changed
And the reason
Is that a rigid and fossilized thinking
It believes that all the words of the Quran from God
And God is the best
And does not recognize the positive laws
And does not know the idea of a people for himself
So Muslims need a comprehensive awareness campaign to tell them that their religion layitnasb times
And thoughts are the thoughts of a man named Mohammed Sahraoui
After a thousand years will not change and will remain his wife talking with brothers that religion grown doubt between brothers also

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Maybe this means the title of the thread is wrong/misleading? I'm Muslim and I don't hate democracy.

I believe the title is better as Why Don't Muslim Countries Support Democracy or something like that.

It kinda hurts when one is generalized like that

Hello my friend
Address incorrect
Islam does not know democracy
Evidence that you typed in my previous
I ask you one question
Can I build a church in Mecca
Are you able to comment on my chest and I cross in Mecca
So Islam does not know of this simple question

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Sorry. I'm not saying all are like that. I have heard news of progressiveness, like there where news of a nobel prize winner for school to educate women in Pakistan "Malala"
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Still some have anti western feeling that she may get ideas from the west. According to the news, so some Pakistanis may have this anti western culture feeling. But it may lead to benefits without it going completely overboard, it sounds naive to fear it so much and rather just see benefits of what is for the best of a country in my opinion. I mean i don't see why they should feel threatened by ideas that is not trying to harm people to say the least. That's just my opinions on it.

But like i didn't mean to generalize all people. Sorry if you felt that way ^^

Before the start of Islam to educate women to eliminate discrimination between women and men in inheritance
Also, I invite you to watch market sale of women and children in the Islamic country in Mosul and who apply Islam in all its details and to seerat step by step
You imagine you are if you think that educated women in Islamic countries
Accept their Islamic thought
Islam is the ideology of the women in his house things

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I wasn't aware that Islam inherently promoted a hatred of democracy. Where exactly is this point made?

The truth of Islam
In intellectual assets
For more information, refer to the models of governance in Muslim countries since the spread by the sword, to the beginnings of the 19th horny
You'll learn that they do not know and do not believe them because they are contrary to the Quran and its teachings

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Not all Muslims hate democracy.

Though to be fair democracy doesn't mean equal rights for men and women or anyone for that matter. It just means that its citizens (now what qualifies someone as a citizen is a different matter) has voting power to either elect officials or make decisions themselves.

But Islam in the Islamic nations of the world favor Theocracies just as many Christian nations have in the past. Or currently if you want to count the Vatican. But Muslims believe that Allah is the one true god and that only through Islam and Muhammad's message were you able to live correctly. So it would only make sense to have a theocracy. However that doesn't pan out when you live in pluralistic societies like most of the developed western countries are today.

You don't know Islam well
Believes that the Islamic countries and Arabic are like other countries
You are very wrong
And I invite you to know the concept of dhimmi
It is an Islamic concept
The distinction between Muslim and non-Muslim rights and duties
I am talking about thought bad and ready to be thought fair