why do Muslims Must offer apologizes for individual actions?

[truth seeker2012]

why do we ask Muslims to offer apologizes for individual actions like what happened in Paris? while we don't do the same when the opposite happened? for examples the arson attacks against mosques in Sweden, three in one week, and nobody asked each Swedish citizen to apology and condemn that actions !!, imagine that happened to the churches in Egypt, i think muslims will receive rough messages

 

[DawudTalut]

Time to quick,rapid,fast collaborate internationally to stop menace of extremism....Apologies are good but do not stop bullets.

 

[George-ananda]

why do we ask Muslims to offer apologizes for individual actions like what happened in Paris?

Who told you Muslims have to apologize for illegal acts done by other individual Muslims who they don't agree with? I don't feel that way.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

why do we ask Muslims to offer apologizes for individual actions like what happened in Paris?

I don't think Muslims have to apologise for these atrocities, but if they don't condemn them people might wonder if they condone them. That plays into the hand of right-wing groups and leads to victimisation of Muslims.
And perhaps the wider population needs some re-assurance.

 

[truth seeker2012]

Who told you Muslims have to apologize for illegal acts done by other individual Muslims who they don't agree with? I don't feel that way.

actually that what i read in the news, the mosques had been asked to condemn that actions and to prove that Islam doesn't support terrorism and so on

 

[LuisDantas]

why do we ask Muslims to offer apologizes for individual actions like what happened in Paris?

For the most part we don't, but the question of how come so many people with access to both the text and the living community of believers in God's Promise end up so terribly misguided does present itself.

while we don't do the same when the opposite happened?

Which of the various conceivable opposites?

The absence of religiously-motivated violence is one of the opposites, but it makes no sense to apologize for it.

Secularism-inspired violence is another, but it does not seem to happen, so it requires no apology.

Claiming that God told us to kill all believers in God would be another, slightly more believable one. But I don't think that happened either.

for examples the arson attacks against mosques in Sweden, three in one week, and nobody asked each Swedish citizen to apology and condemn that actions !!, imagine that happened to the churches in Egypt, i think muslims will receive rough messages

I am unaware of believers in the holy purpose of xenophoby, nor of part of Swedish citizenship being a claim of the wrongness of Islam. If they exist, I sure hope they learn better or just repent.

Meanwhile, no Muslim seems to deny that Islam does claim that Christianity and Secularism are both misguided or even that God himself told them that.

 

[Laika]

Muslims are still treated as the "other" in western societies; we accept Judeao-Christian ideas because they're ingrained in our culture, but Islam still feels "exotic" or "alien" to most people (despite the fact Islam is still a religion derived from Abraham and claims Jesus as a prophet). Guilt for individual atrocities is attributed based- not on individual actions- but on the fact Muslim terrorists trace their ideas from Islam because we don't accept those ideas in our culture. Forcing Mosques to apologize is kind of a knee-jerk reassurance that they're still on "our side".

It's wrong and pretty sick really to think people are guilty by association because of their ideas. It shows our tendencies towards Islamophobia, but I think that's what's going on. You wouldn't expect an apology from Christian Churches or Jewish Synagogues.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

It shows our tendencies towards Islamophobia, but I think that's what's going on.

I think it's patronising and apologist to dismiss any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism as "Islamophobia". If Islamic extremists are committing acts of terrorism with sickening regularity then I think it's entirely reasonable for the wider population to seek reassurance, and for Muslims to offer it by condemning atrocities. And of course if that condemnation isn't forthcoming it plays straight into the hands of right-wing groups.

I missed one of the London 7/7 tube bombings by 24 hours, and yeah, I need some reassurance too. I want to be reassured that Islam really is a religion of peace, I want to be reassured that Muslims condemn terrorist acts, I want to be reassured that Muslims are taking steps to reform, I want to be reassured that Muslims are determined to root out and marginalise the jihadists, I also want to be reassured that western Muslims support the democratic values of the countries they are living in, including free speech.

 

[fantome profane]

actually that what i read in the news, the mosques had been asked to condemn that actions and to prove that Islam doesn't support terrorism and so on

Asking for them to publicly condemn these acts is not the same as asking them to apologize for them. It is not about blaming all Muslims for terrorism. But it is about asking for help from moderate Muslims in dealing with the problem.

 

[Laika]

I think it's patronising and apologist to dismiss any criticism of Islamic fundamentalism as "Islamophobia". If Islamic extremists are committing acts of terrorism with sickening regularity then I think it's entirely reasonable for the wider population to seek reassurance, and for Muslims to offer it by condemning atrocities. And of course if that condemnation isn't forthcoming it plays straight into the hands of right-wing groups.

Islamic Fundamentalism does not equal Islam. Moderate Muslims should not be tarred with the same brush simply for being Muslim. That actually helps Far-Right groups be re-enforcing the "otherness" of Muslims and alienated moderate Muslims further by showing that they aren't really part of "our" society.

I generally hate political correctness as it is self-defeating. It only attacks the symtopms of Islamophobia and not the causes which are much deeper socio-economic problems associated with intergration, and the extent to which Muslims can be culturally assimilated. I also feel a bit "off" as I feel like I'm defending Muslims without being one of them- but again, that is my own sense that they are the "other" which is unfair. The moderates Muslims deserve to know we are on there side as much we want to know they are on ours. it could end up being a "them" and "us" scenario which helps no-one.

I missed one of the London 7/7 tube bombings by 24 hours, and yeah, I need some reassurance too. I want to be reassured that Islam really is a religion of peace, I want to be reassured that Muslims condemn terrorist acts, I want to be reassured that Muslims are taking steps to reform, I want to be reassured that Muslims are determined to root out and marginalise the jihadists, I also want to be reassured that western Muslims support the democratic values of the countries they are living in, including free speech.

I'm not going to argue with that and you're perfectly entitled to feel that way. I just want there to be a better way without humiliating the moderate Muslims with 'guilt by association'. There are moderate voices. Ex-Islamic Fundamentalists have started working towards "counter-extremism" in The Quilliam Foundation and getting an alternative message out into the public domain. It's admirable as they get death threats for switching sides. Unfortunately, I don't think this doesn't get the media coverage it deserves.

 

[Woodrow LI]

Nearly every time an atrocity is committed and the perpetrator is believed to be Muslim the boards are filled with threads asking the question "How come Muslims never condemn things like this?"

How often do we see posts with variations of:
"Why don't Islamic leaders ever condemn this?"
"Where is the out cry from Muslims denouncing this?"
"You get world wide condemnation over a cartoon, but never a peep when a Muslim commits terrorism?"

The current zeitgeist seems to be if a Muslim does it it is because it is a teaching of his religion, if a non-Muslim does it it has no relationship to religion. the world holds every Muslim guilty of all crimes attributed to a Muslim, but it becomes individual if a Muslim does something praise worthy. It which case it is not because he is Muslim, but because he has had Western influence.

Every time a terrorist hollers "Allahu Akbar" the world screams he did it for religious reasons. No non-Muslim ever stops to think he is doing it to make it clear he is Muslim and to stir up hatred/fear of Muslims. can anyone believe a terrorists loves ISLAM when he is deliberately doing something that will assuredly result in a world wide backlash against Muslims.

Perhaps terrorists should be trained to carry "Jack Chick Tracts" and Holler "Jesus Christ"

 

[Godobeyer]

because everytime we blamed that we don't condemned here by some members

Just after i condemn that crime .

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[Rick O'Shez]

There are moderate voices. Ex-Islamic Fundamentalists have started working towards "counter-extremism" in The Quilliam Foundation and getting an alternative message out into the public domain. It's admirable as they get death threats for switching sides.

I saw a TV interview with the head of the Quilliam Foundation a couple of days ago. He said he was trying to reach out to the section of the Muslim community with mixed feelings. Clearly there are such people.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Islamic Fundamentalism does not equal Islam. Moderate Muslims should not be tarred with the same brush simply for being Muslim. That actually helps Far-Right groups be re-enforcing the "otherness" of Muslims and alienated moderate Muslims further by showing that they aren't really part of "our" society.

Sure, I agree with all that, and have said as much myself. But the fact remains that if the moderate majority of Muslims don't wholeheartedly condemn these terrorist atrocities there will be a lingering suspicion that maybe some of them condone it.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

because everytime we blamed that we don't condemned here by some members

It's nothing to do with blame, it's a question of reassurance.

 

[Jumi]

You don't need to apologize, but asking why should you doesn't make me feel like you are condemning this. Are you?

 

[Pegg]

why do we ask Muslims to offer apologizes for individual actions like what happened in Paris? while we don't do the same when the opposite happened? for examples the arson attacks against mosques in Sweden, three in one week, and nobody asked each Swedish citizen to apology and condemn that actions !!, imagine that happened to the churches in Egypt, i think muslims will receive rough messages

this is just a guess, but it could be because some islamic preachers promote hatred and radicalism and unless muslims themselves denounce such actions, more muslims might imitate there murderous rampages.

 

[Estro Felino]

Self-criticism and Islam are two words which difficultly match together.

The Catholic Church has become even much more modern than Protestantism because it reforms itself restlessly and criticizes its past: it is the best example of self-criticism.
The Pope has recently condemned the laziness of Cardinals. The Pope had pedophiles arrested.

 

[Flankerl]

It's not about apologies but the silent majority of Muslims who do nothing against such people in their midst.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Individuals are not being asked to apologize. Community organizations have been asked if they support or denounce such actions. Is that an inappropriate question to ask? When we have a crazy white man with a gun, yes it may be religion or some other insanity that motivates him. But does he have a support network? Does he have monthly meetings? Does he have financial support? Does he have cultural and community organizations pumping out rhetoric that states the actions were justified? As there are a number of prominent community leaders stating these actions were justified, it seems to me that community organizations that oppose these actions would want to be clear about it.

If a western church, christian, jew, muslim or any other, bought weapons, organized a para military, and began killing people that drew cartoons, do you really think it wouldn't make the papers? Do you really think other's wouldn't condemn the actions? Take a look at any horrendous action taken by fundamentalist christians and there are hundreds of churches that come out and condemn these actions.

The truth is that this condemnation is almost universal when it is a christian fundamentalist group. Why is this? It's because there is a very large gap between the fundamentalist christian and the average christian. (Maybe there just are that many REAL christians.) It's not an issue because no one wonders if most churches condemn these actions, they speak up and say so.

When it's a christian action, you don't have prominent preachers justifying the actions!