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Why do oil workers get to unionize, with virtually zero complaint?

dust1n

Zindīq
Negotiators from the United Steelworkers and Shell, the lead bargainer for unionized oil refining businesses, reached agreement on a new national contract on Thursday. It was a first big step towards ending the nation’s largest oil refining industry strike since 1980.

The unfair labor practice strike started at nine oil and chemical facilities on February 1, when the union accused the companies of bad faith bargaining over key issues in the new contract that was under negotiation, primarily health and safety and related issues, such as contracting out maintenance work. Later six more facilities joined the strike. Later workers at six more facilities joined in the walkout, for a total of more than 6,550 on strike.

Whether or not workers have been on strike there, each local union now needs to negotiate a contract that incorporates the national agreement and resolves local issues before the dispute—affecting about 30,000 workers at more than 100 refineries and related facilities, who account for 64 percent of the industry—is ended.

After 6-Week Strike, Oil Workers Say They Have “Won Vast Improvements in Safety and Staffing” - Working In These Times

Yesterday afternoon, the United Steelworkers reached a tentative contract agreement with negotiators from Shell Oil Co., which has represented Chevron, ExxonMobil and other oil companies affected by the union’s now nearly six-week strike. Even as the strike continues in many workplaces, yesterday’s victory is the hard-won result of careful organizing and some promising collaboration.

Beginning on February 1 — after a particularly contentious round of negotiations — an estimated 3,800 workers kicked off a strike action across nine refineries in Texas, California, Kentucky and Washington. As of Thursday’s truce, the strike had grown to include 7,000 workers across 15 refineries, petrochemical and cogeneration plants, including the nation’s largest refinery in Port Arthur, Texas. In total, the United Steelworkers, or USW, represents 30,000 members, and holds leverage over an impressive 64 percent of the United States’ refining capacity.

Striking Oil Workers Emerge Victorious Thanks in Part to Green Group Solidarity | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
Negotiators from the United Steelworkers and Shell, the lead bargainer for unionized oil refining businesses, reached agreement on a new national contract on Thursday. It was a first big step towards ending the nation’s largest oil refining industry strike since 1980.

The unfair labor practice strike started at nine oil and chemical facilities on February 1, when the union accused the companies of bad faith bargaining over key issues in the new contract that was under negotiation, primarily health and safety and related issues, such as contracting out maintenance work. Later six more facilities joined the strike. Later workers at six more facilities joined in the walkout, for a total of more than 6,550 on strike.

Whether or not workers have been on strike there, each local union now needs to negotiate a contract that incorporates the national agreement and resolves local issues before the dispute—affecting about 30,000 workers at more than 100 refineries and related facilities, who account for 64 percent of the industry—is ended.

After 6-Week Strike, Oil Workers Say They Have “Won Vast Improvements in Safety and Staffing” - Working In These Times

Yesterday afternoon, the United Steelworkers reached a tentative contract agreement with negotiators from Shell Oil Co., which has represented Chevron, ExxonMobil and other oil companies affected by the union’s now nearly six-week strike. Even as the strike continues in many workplaces, yesterday’s victory is the hard-won result of careful organizing and some promising collaboration.

Beginning on February 1 — after a particularly contentious round of negotiations — an estimated 3,800 workers kicked off a strike action across nine refineries in Texas, California, Kentucky and Washington. As of Thursday’s truce, the strike had grown to include 7,000 workers across 15 refineries, petrochemical and cogeneration plants, including the nation’s largest refinery in Port Arthur, Texas. In total, the United Steelworkers, or USW, represents 30,000 members, and holds leverage over an impressive 64 percent of the United States’ refining capacity.

Striking Oil Workers Emerge Victorious Thanks in Part to Green Group Solidarity | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

Probably has a lot to do with massive profits. It is hard to argue with those wanting better safety on the job when the company is among the most profitable in the world. Doesn't mean they wont try...
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm not sure I get the point of the OP. Is it somehow wrong that workers who work for big oil may choose to be in a union?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I'm not sure I get the point of the OP. Is it somehow wrong that workers who work for big oil may choose to be in a union?

Unions tend to get criticized in most industries, public industries, manufacturing industries, etc. I've never... never heard anyone complain about oil industry unions? Why is that? I don't understand the silence around them.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Unions tend to get criticized in most industries, public industries, manufacturing industries, etc. I've never... never heard anyone complain about oil industry unions? Why is that? I don't understand the silence around them.
You got me, so I can't try and answer your question. Are the Texas and Louisiana-based oil companies pretty much the same way?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
You got me, so I can't try and answer your question. Are the Texas and Louisiana-based oil companies pretty much the same way?

Conoco Phillips in Houston has unionized refineries.

I'd have to look thoroughly at various parties to indentify which. Accordig to USW:

"Nationwide, USW members process 64% of the nation's oil, according to the union."

Workers at nation's largest oil refinery join growing strike - Feb. 22, 2015

And:

"The United Steelworkers union (USW) said Saturday that workers at the largest refinery in the U.S., the Motiva Enterprises refinery in Port Arthur, Texas, started their strike at midnight Friday. Employees at two other refineries and a chemical plant in Louisiana started their strike at the end of Saturday.

The USW represents workers at 65 refineries that produce about two-thirds of the oil in the U.S."
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Conoco Phillips in Houston has unionized refineries.

I'd have to look thoroughly at various parties to indentify which. Accordig to USW:

"Nationwide, USW members process 64% of the nation's oil, according to the union."

Workers at nation's largest oil refinery join growing strike - Feb. 22, 2015

And:

"The United Steelworkers union (USW) said Saturday that workers at the largest refinery in the U.S., the Motiva Enterprises refinery in Port Arthur, Texas, started their strike at midnight Friday. Employees at two other refineries and a chemical plant in Louisiana started their strike at the end of Saturday.

The USW represents workers at 65 refineries that produce about two-thirds of the oil in the U.S."
Thanks for this. Anything on Marathon/Speedway, which I believe is based in Texas?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Thanks for this. Anything on Marathon/Speedway, which I believe is based in Texas?

Marathon has 7 refineries:
"On Saturday January 10, District 13 activists converged on the Marathon Garyville Refinery in Louisiana in support of National Oil Bargaining and upcoming negotiations. District 13 Activists and representatives from Shell, Chevron, Exxon Mobil, BP, and other petrochemical companies participated in the rally.

The emphasis of the rally was to share information about the upcoming negotiations and to inform the employees of the role Marathon will play. We asked the employees to stand with us and tell Marathon they deserve a raise. The information was well received by the workers at the Garyville Refinery.

Since Saturday’s rally we have received several calls from the workers at the refinery asking for assistance in forming a union. We will offer any and all assistance to these workers because UNITED TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER!"

Solidarity Across State Lines | United Steelworkers

TEXAS CITY — More than 1,100 Galveston County oil refinery workers are walking off the job after talks between oil refiners and the United Steelworkers failed to resolve differences in a new labor deal.

The failed contract talks affect 63 refineries across the nation, including Marathon Petroleum's Galveston Bay Refinery in Texas City, the nation's fifth largest refinery.

It also includes Marathon's co-generation plant, which is located next to the massive refinery. Workers there also went on strike.

Marathon workers in Texas City on strike after failed oil talks - The Galveston County Daily News: News

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Striking workers from Marathon Petroleum Corp's Galveston Bay Refinery ratified a new contract on Tuesday, ending a five-month strike, said local union officials.

About 90 percent of the more than 1,000 workers cast secret ballots at their local union hall in Texas City, Texas, within sight of the 451,000 barrel per day (bpd) refinery on Monday and Tuesday to end the work stoppage that began on Feb. 1.

Under terms of the contract and accompanying return-to-work agreement, the workers will begin resuming their jobs on July 6. Marathon has kept the refinery in operation using temporary replacement workers.

Read more: Marathon Galveston Bay workers OK contract, end five-month strike - Business Insider

CATLETTSBURG, Ky. (AP) - Hourly workers at the Marathon PetroleumCorporation's Catlettsburg Refinery are returning to work this week.

The Associated Press reports the workers, who are represented by United Steelworkers, ended a two-month work stoppage on Friday.

UPDATE: Refinery Workers End Two-Month Strike

Apparently some did. I Couldn't find anything on Robinson Refinery in IN though.
 

Wirey

Fartist
Unions tend to get criticized in most industries, public industries, manufacturing industries, etc. I've never... never heard anyone complain about oil industry unions? Why is that? I don't understand the silence around them.

You have to be good in a refinery or it goes boom. Scabs are alright if you're building a house, or a Kia, but for critical things union trained professionals are the way to go.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
You have to be good in a refinery or it goes boom. Scabs are alright if you're building a house, or a Kia, but for critical things union trained professionals are the way to go.

Building a house or a Kia also comes with the risk of increased likelihood or death, probably not comparable to a refinery though, where the potential problems might be catastrophic.

So is that why oil workers get a pass when it comes to striking for multiple weeks? Because only vital, dangerous positions need collective bargaining?
 

Wirey

Fartist
Building a house or a Kia also comes with the risk of increased likelihood or death, probably not comparable to a refinery though, where the potential problems might be catastrophic.

So is that why oil workers get a pass when it comes to striking for multiple weeks? Because only vital, dangerous positions need collective bargaining?

No, because the guy who can build your house or assemble your Kia can be replaced easily. A catastrophic failure there is almost inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, and the skills required are minimal. I say this as someone who has worked residential construction. A good refinery operator is as rare as a right handed pitcher who can get lefties out with runners on. When they fail, it makes the news all over the world.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
No, because the guy who can build your house or assemble your Kia can be replaced easily. A catastrophic failure there is almost inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, and the skills required are minimal. I say this as someone who has worked residential construction. A good refinery operator is as rare as a right handed pitcher who can get lefties out with runners on. When they fail, it makes the news all over the world.

Sure. So are people pro-union (or at least significantly less anti-union) in regards to oil workers because of the particularly great responsibilities required by the workers?
 

Wirey

Fartist
Sure. So are people pro-union (or at least significantly less anti-union) in regards to oil workers because of the particularly great responsibilities required by the workers?

No. People who understand how that side works also understand that an employee who is empowered to tell a boss he won't do something dangerous no matter what because his job is safe is less likely to blow himself up than someone who is willing to take a risk because his job was on the line.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
No. People who understand how that side works also understand that an employee who is empowered to tell a boss he won't do something dangerous no matter what because his job is safe is less likely to blow himself up than someone who is willing to take a risk because his job was on the line.

I presuming, so I could be wrong, that the overwhelming majority aren't of the people who understand how that side works (I take this to mean people familiar with the peculiars and dangers of a refinery). This last strike that happens at almost 100 refineries across the nation was virtually missing from the typical political diatribe. I ask my question because there is no shortage of continuous dismay and dismissal of public unions, teacher unions, automotive unions, etc. But I've never heard anyone in my life attack oil worker unions. I'm imaging that the general public don't know or realize that more oil workers are in a union then not, as opposed to generally disliking unions except this one instance because they are needed lest an explosion happens, despite that fact that refineries explosions are pretty common in America.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Marathon has 7 refineries:
"On Saturday January 10, District 13 activists converged on the Marathon Garyville Refinery in Louisiana in support of National Oil Bargaining and upcoming negotiations. District 13 Activists and representatives from Shell, Chevron, Exxon Mobil, BP, and other petrochemical companies participated in the rally.

The emphasis of the rally was to share information about the upcoming negotiations and to inform the employees of the role Marathon will play. We asked the employees to stand with us and tell Marathon they deserve a raise. The information was well received by the workers at the Garyville Refinery.

Since Saturday’s rally we have received several calls from the workers at the refinery asking for assistance in forming a union. We will offer any and all assistance to these workers because UNITED TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER!"

Solidarity Across State Lines | United Steelworkers

TEXAS CITY — More than 1,100 Galveston County oil refinery workers are walking off the job after talks between oil refiners and the United Steelworkers failed to resolve differences in a new labor deal.

The failed contract talks affect 63 refineries across the nation, including Marathon Petroleum's Galveston Bay Refinery in Texas City, the nation's fifth largest refinery.

It also includes Marathon's co-generation plant, which is located next to the massive refinery. Workers there also went on strike.

Marathon workers in Texas City on strike after failed oil talks - The Galveston County Daily News: News

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Striking workers from Marathon Petroleum Corp's Galveston Bay Refinery ratified a new contract on Tuesday, ending a five-month strike, said local union officials.

About 90 percent of the more than 1,000 workers cast secret ballots at their local union hall in Texas City, Texas, within sight of the 451,000 barrel per day (bpd) refinery on Monday and Tuesday to end the work stoppage that began on Feb. 1.

Under terms of the contract and accompanying return-to-work agreement, the workers will begin resuming their jobs on July 6. Marathon has kept the refinery in operation using temporary replacement workers.

Read more: Marathon Galveston Bay workers OK contract, end five-month strike - Business Insider

CATLETTSBURG, Ky. (AP) - Hourly workers at the Marathon PetroleumCorporation's Catlettsburg Refinery are returning to work this week.

The Associated Press reports the workers, who are represented by United Steelworkers, ended a two-month work stoppage on Friday.

UPDATE: Refinery Workers End Two-Month Strike

Apparently some did. I Couldn't find anything on Robinson Refinery in IN though.
Thanks a lot for looking this up as I've been strapped for time today. I was wondering especially about Marathon/Speedway as that's where I get my gas in the L.P., and I purposely get theirs because of their excellent environmental record. Here in da U.P. I get Holiday gas for the same exact reason.
 

Wirey

Fartist
I presuming, so I could be wrong, that the overwhelming majority aren't of the people who understand how that side works (I take this to mean people familiar with the peculiars and dangers of a refinery). This last strike that happens at almost 100 refineries across the nation was virtually missing from the typical political diatribe. I ask my question because there is no shortage of continuous dismay and dismissal of public unions, teacher unions, automotive unions, etc. But I've never heard anyone in my life attack oil worker unions. I'm imaging that the general public don't know or realize that more oil workers are in a union then not, as opposed to generally disliking unions except this one instance because they are needed lest an explosion happens, despite that fact that refineries explosions are pretty common in America.

Refinery explosions are pretty uncommon in America, statistically speaking. In places like Venezuela and Brazil, their a constant hazard. People who hate unions really hate the fact that someone smarter than them makes more than them, usually. Who chooses to work for less money and no benefits?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Refinery explosions are pretty uncommon in America, statistically speaking. In places like Venezuela and Brazil, their a constant hazard. People who hate unions really hate the fact that someone smarter than them makes more than them, usually. Who chooses to work for less money and no benefits?
Yes, and for those who say we should have fewer regulations, let them go to Nigeria to see what the oil companies have done there.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Thanks a lot for looking this up as I've been strapped for time today. I was wondering especially about Marathon/Speedway as that's where I get my gas in the L.P., and I purposely get theirs because of their excellent environmental record. Here in da U.P. I get Holiday gas for the same exact reason.

No problem. Quickly shifting through information be my specialty.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Refinery explosions are pretty uncommon in America, statistically speaking. In places like Venezuela and Brazil, their a constant hazard.

Well in comparison to others, yea we look good.

People who hate unions really hate the fact that someone smarter than them makes more than them, usually. Who chooses to work for less money and no benefits?

But I wonder why that hate, which is pretty obvious towards most unions, tends to be totally absent in regards to oil worker unions, but very present for something like... teacher's.
 

Wirey

Fartist
Well in comparison to others, yea we look good.



But I wonder why that hate, which is pretty obvious towards most unions, tends to be totally absent in regards to oil worker unions, but very present for something like... teacher's.

Most people think they can be a teacher.
 
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