Why do Orthodox Muslims ignore Surah 3:103?

[Yahyaa Waahid]

I believe that is relative because Arabs appear less than white to me. I will grant that he was lighter than a negroid person.

I believe this to be a false belief.

I am not sure the differences are that great or that they matter much. Negroids don't qaulify as man because they are a different race. It is the Adamic race that was called "man." (Mohammed would qualify as a man) It is possible that Negroids and Caucasians are kind of men but the origins are little known and I don't know of any differences in structure although there are certainly differences in appearance.

There were people already on the earth before the Adamic (White) race was made. Cain in the Bible married a woman and Eve had not bore any female children. The Black race is the "Us" and "Our" in Gen. 1:26, so we (Blacks) are the True Man while Whites (Adamic people) are a kind of a man.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[nash8]

Lol, WOW to this entire thread. NGE pwns NOI in my opinion.

According to the traditional definition of Satan - "He who is not like me, or he who does not believe what I believe" I guess white people could be considered Satan to Black people, because our skin is a different color to to lower levels of melanin production. But as far as the belief definition of Satan, not so much.

I'm not that familiar with NOI, but I would wager to say that the word Devil/Satan is not used in this context, and more along the Judeo-Christian view of the personification of evil. Good to know that according to NOI, I can fight my devilish nature and became "Good" lol.

And what about the Sunni Shi'a split within Islam? Last I heard they didn't really care for each other too much.

 

[nash8]

There were people already on the earth before the Adamic (White) race was made. Cain in the Bible married a woman and Eve had not bore any female children. The Black race is the "Us" and "Our" in Gen. 1:26, so we (Blacks) are the True Man while Whites (Adamic people) are a kind of a man.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

A Bible verse to support an anthropolgical/sceintific argument in support of a religion that opposes most of the views that said reference goes on to support.

 

[nash8]

Well Gharib, if you want to learn about the Nation of Islam, you should learn about them from they themselves (first-hand) and not through second hand information BECAUSE MANY MANY PEOPLE *LIE* ABOUT THE NATION OF ISLAM.

The Nation of Islam does not teach that Whites cannot be Muslims. They teach that anyone can practice Islam regardless of race. What they teach about Whites is that the nature of the White man is Satan, but that the White man can practice the opposite of his nature. In fact, a short abbreviation of ALL that the Nation of Islam wants and believes can be found at their website @ The Muslim Program - Nation of Islam .

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

So what is the usage of the term Satan according to NOI? The original use, or the Judeo-Christian personification of evil use?

The Son of Man is not the White race. The White race is the "man of sin," "the son of perdition." 2 Thessalonians 2:3: "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

I didn't know that the Bible was the holy book of NOI? When did that happen?

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

Lol, WOW to this entire thread. NGE pwns NOI in my opinion.

According to the traditional definition of Satan - "He who is not like me, or he who does not believe what I believe" I guess white people could be considered Satan to Black people, because our skin is a different color to to lower levels of melanin production. But as far as the belief definition of Satan, not so much.

I'm not that familiar with NOI, but I would wager to say that the word Devil/Satan is not used in this context, and more along the Judeo-Christian view of the personification of evil. Good to know that according to NOI, I can fight my devilish nature and became "Good" lol.

And what about the Sunni Shi'a split within Islam? Last I heard they didn't really care for each other too much.

Greetings, Sir,

I don't know where you are getting your definitions from, but Hitchcock's Bible Names defines "Satan" as:

"contrary; adversary; enemy; accuser."

Satan is the Adversary of God and all that God desires (according to my studies.) The White race's nature is Satan because by nature they are opposed to God & God's Way. I did not say that you can "become good" by fighting against your nature. The Bible says that no one is good. By fighting against your nature, you can be a Muslim (one who submits his will entirely to do God's Will.)

And the Sunnis & the Shias should not be split. According to my studies, the reason that the Ali (the Prophet's cousin) did not oppose the election of Abu Bakr to be the first Caliph even though Ali knew that he himself was the Prophet's rightful successor was because Ali did not want to form a division among the Muslims. Divisions & sects are unislamic.

Yahyaa Waahid

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

A Bible verse to support an anthropolgical/sceintific argument in support of a religion that opposes most of the views that said reference goes on to support.

With all due respect, these words sound like mumbo-jumbo to me. I do not believe that science has to be opposed to religion. I believe that science & religion can go hand & hand. And as I am not an NOI member, I can't speak for their views about science & religion.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

So what is the usage of the term Satan according to NOI? The original use, or the Judeo-Christian personification of evil use?



I didn't know that the Bible was the holy book of NOI? When did that happen?

Well Sir, I am not a NOI member, but I do believe in Minister Farrakhan so I can only tell you what I have heard him teach. According to my studies, the NOI believes that "Satan" means "the enemy of God." And the NOI believes, like the Qur'an says, that the Qur'an guards & verifies the Bible.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

[BruceDLimber]

The Son of Man is not the White race. The White race is the "man of sin," "the son of perdition."

In short, you're a racist.

You will forgive me if I therefore reject ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING you say!!

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

In short, you're a racist.

You will forgive me if I therefore reject ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING you say!!

Well Mr. Limber (if I have assumed correctly about your name,) I am not a racist because racism is oppression based on race. I oppress no one based on race. The White race has written their own history of attempting to subjugate all non-Whites in the name of White supremacy. They have given themselves their own evil name.

And also Sir, you must remember that the Qur'an says of itself in Surah 2:41 that it verifies "that which is with the Children of Israel" and that which is with the Children of Israel is the Bible. Was Jesus being a racist in this passage from the Bible (Matt. 15:21-28)?:

"(21)Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. (22)And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. (23)But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. (24)But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (25)Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. (26)But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. (27)And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. (28)Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."

Now to the splits among Muslims, there is no justification for Muslims being divided. The Holy Qur'an says that Muslims should not be divided.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

 

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There were people already on the earth before the Adamic (White) race was made. Cain in the Bible married a woman and Eve had not bore any female children. The Black race is the "Us" and "Our" in Gen. 1:26, so we (Blacks) are the True Man while Whites (Adamic people) are a kind of a man.

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

I believe you are correct on this.

I don't believe there is any evidence that the Adamic race was ever a part of the Caucasian (White) race.

The fact that it wasn't reported does not mean that female children weren't born.

There is no evidence that Negroids were the "Us" and "Our." The Norse myths do say that their gods created man, so it would be logical that the gods who took women from the Adamic race as wives were Caucasian. However there is no evidence that Noah is descended from such a relationship.

So far the Adamic race has been mixed in with other races so much that the researchers have not been able to find a haplotype that represents the race.

 

[Yahyaa Waahid]

I believe you are correct on this.

I don't believe there is any evidence that the Adamic race was ever a part of the Caucasian (White) race.

The fact that it wasn't reported does not mean that female children weren't born.

There is no evidence that Negroids were the "Us" and "Our." The Norse myths do say that their gods created man, so it would be logical that the gods who took women from the Adamic race as wives were Caucasian. However there is no evidence that Noah is descended from such a relationship.

So far the Adamic race has been mixed in with other races so much that the researchers have not been able to find a haplotype that represents the race.

Well, that wasn't really a suggestion, about "Us" and "Our" being the Black race. It is Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

Now, you may have already responded to this, but why do you think that the Prophet Muhammad's community is divided into sects & nations when the Holy Qur'an says that Muslims should not be divided (Holy Qur'an 3:103)? It also plainly says that sectarianism is polytheistic:

"(31)...and keep your duty to Him, and keep up prayer and be not of the polytheists, (32)Of those who split up their religion and become parties; every sect rejoicing in that which is with it." Holy Qur'an 30:31-32

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid