Why do people hate Muslims?

[jah59]

Most of what you quoted is false or out of context.
I checked some of your verses have even nothing to do with the thing you were accusing them about.
It seems to indicates it's just a copy/past from a website, i give one exemple :
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My reply: My friend, did you actually follow the LINKS and not just read the verses??? As I said, the point of this is not to so much show that the Quran has passages that "I" interpret as violent, but to show that there are "hundreds of millions of Muslims" who believe and practice these things. What you or I may think they mean are irrelevant. The links make it horrifying clear that there are indeed hundreds of millions of Muslims who DO interpret these passages the way they are presented. That my friend, is irrefutable.

 

[LuisDantas]

I'm just saying that if all you do is read what others believe without knowing what is in the source texts then it's unlikely you will have meaningful insight into the direction things are moving or can move.

Way to miss the point, @J2hapydna

You seem to be rather confused about what the roles of religion and scripture are supposed to be.

I can't say I am too surprised, though; I know now that Islaam teaches people to be confused on that particular area.

 

[LuisDantas]

How many Christians know and understand the implications of the Sermon on the Mount and try to live according to what it says?

A considerable percentage, I would guess. The Sermon is fairly beautiful in both form and content and not too hard to understand.

I suspect most Muslims are as ignorant about the Quran as most Christians are of the deep meaning of the New Testament.

I suspect that many more do. Islaam would be considerably worse were it taken even more seriously than it is.

What many Muslims fail to realize is that the Qur'an hinders Islaam considerably, and it is only the lack of adherence to its letter that protects Islaam from even further decay.

All doctrines benefit to some degree from adherents that dare to know and learn better than they have been taught, but for Islaam that is considerably more of a need than for most.

 

[paarsurrey]

Polls have a nasty habit of changing. For example, one month a President can have an 80% job approval and the next it drops to 30%. So we need more than just statistics we also need to understand the subject we are studying.

In my opinion there is already enough modern archaeological evidence to question the Orthodox narrative/ understanding of the Quran / Islam and make rational, reasonable and peaceful people out of its followers.

Given the current level of evidence I don't think it is possible to change the Quran. However, I also don't think it is necessary to change the Quran

No need to change Quran, why not to understand it correctly from the context verses? Please
Regards

 

[Fire_Monkey]

LOL, that we apparently support Christian terrorism while deriding Muslim terrorism totally means Muslims are worse.


And our soldiers are taught to treat everyone like human beings? No? Don't we teach people specifically how to be fine with slaughtering hundreds to thousands? I've seen pics of Gitmo and such things: like good ol' Christian soldiers stripping "terrorists" (mind you, due process is not really a thing here) and doing God-awful things to them and taking selfies. Did Allah teach them that? Muhammad? No, you are taught the same crap, just under a different Head Honcho.


But if we want to determine causes, our roles in it can't be ignored. It must be awful having to tell yourself you're so much better than everyone else all the time. Real "better" people don't have to go on and on about it. It should be self-evident.


Trump's President and the KKK is in charge. We'll see. We're already banning our own citizens from entering the country.


Jesus also didn't live very long in his ministry. He was already starting to chase people around with bullwhips. Had he lived ...


True, but why be so arrogant as to go to another country and think you should automatically be exempt from local laws?

I was in support of that stupid teen somewhere who got caned for vandalism. Our country has this typical "OMG WE'RE AMERICAN WE SHOULD DO STUFF AND NOT GET CAUGHT!" outlook. It's embarrassing.


European/American colonialism shows you how they reacted.

Of course you have never in your life been to Gitmo, and I have. Twice. So all oyur info about it and how those terrorist prisoners are treated is second hand from your liberal media. Please know that.

Also, know this......those prisoners...most of whom, btw, would gladly see you dead.....were treated foe better than US prisoners would be in Iraq or Syria or Saudi or any other Middle Eastern ****-hole run by Islamic Jihadists. Those terrorists were given Korans and even prayer mats. They were allowed to exercise, they were fed better than they were eating in the field, before their capture.
Hope this helps.

 

[icehorse]

No need to change Quran, why not to understand it correctly from the context verses? Please
Regards

Where can we read the correct understanding?

@J2hapydna

It seems clear to me that there are many interpretations of the Quran. But I refuse to agree that that renders it un-criticizable. We CAN zoom out and look at its role in the world over the last 1400 years. Yes, yes, I know that it's never the "only" factor in a situation, but at some point there is enough correlation to become confident in causation.

The Quran correlates highly with conquest-oriented, supremacist, misogynistic, homophobic, and anti-semetic societies, and - not surprisingly - a parsimonious reading of the book is exactly in keeping with those results.

 

[J2hapydna]

Way to miss the point, @J2hapydna

You seem to be rather confused about what the roles of religion and scripture are supposed to be.

I can't say I am too surprised, though; I know now that Islaam teaches people to be confused on that particular area.

First you presume to know the very basic doctrine in the Quran. Now you presume to know the role of religion and scripture described in the Quran that I don't know. In fact, you tell me that I am confused because I don't know these things!

I find it amusing how you think you know so much more about what is in the Quran than me, as you haven't even read the Quran.

can you please quote some of the verses in the Quran which describe the role of religion in them? Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

First you presume to know the very basic doctrine in the Quran. Now you presume to know the role of religion and scripture described in the Quran that I don't know. In fact, you tell me that I am confused because I don't know these things!
I find it amusing how you think you know so much more about what is in the Quran than me, as you haven't even read the Quran.
can you please quote some of the verses in the Quran which describe the role of religion in them? Thanks

Most basic is described in one sentence “There is none worthy of worship except God Muhammad is the Messenger of God” and for more details following are the basic doctrines :

Articles of Faith

• Unity of God
• His Angels
• His Books
• His Prophets
• The Last Day
• Divine Decree

Five Pillars of Islam

• Kalima
• Prayer
• Fasting
• Zakaat
• Hajj

Please
Regards

 

[J2hapydna]

Where can we read the correct understanding?

@J2hapydna

It seems clear to me that there are many interpretations of the Quran. But I refuse to agree that that renders it un-criticizable. We CAN zoom out and look at its role in the world over the last 1400 years. Yes, yes, I know that it's never the "only" factor in a situation, but at some point there is enough correlation to become confident in causation.

The Quran correlates highly with conquest-oriented, supremacist, misogynistic, homophobic, and anti-semetic societies, and - not surprisingly - a parsimonious reading of the book is exactly in keeping with those results.

Criticize it all you want. I'm just saying focusing on it is counter productive because as you said, it contradicts itself, like the Bible. so in my opinion it is harmless. I think what you should focus on is the interpretations of the Quran.

 

[LuisDantas]

First you presume to know the very basic doctrine in the Quran.

To be fair, it took years for me to attain a measure of certainty.

Now you presume to know the role of religion and scripture described in the Quran that I don't know.

Yes.

In fact, you tell me that I am confused because I don't know these things!

Exactly.

I find it amusing how you think you know so much more about what is in the Quran than me, as you haven't even read the Quran.

I don't care nearly so much about the Qur'an, which is just a below-average scripture, than I do about Islaam. And I value religion far more than either.

If that amuses you, then so be it.

 

[J2hapydna]

To be fair, it took years for me to attain a measure of certainty.


Yes.

Exactly.



I don't care nearly so much about the Qur'an, which is just a below-average scripture, than I do about Islaam. And I value religion far more than either.

If that amuses you, then so be it.

Since there are no verses in the Quran to support what you consider the central basic doctrines of Islam and there are no verses in the Quran that describe the role of religion in it, perhaps you should call the religion that is in your head something else rather than Islam.

 

[Alison Wonderland]

I would say the same about you.

Of course you would. Your approach to this thread has been childish at best.

What was your GRE verbal score?

I've never taken one. I'd trust my higher education success as a measure of my communication and comprehension skills. You, on the other hand, have made a series of errors in your engagement with this thread in addition to some very awry interpretations of what has actually been said.

Once again: enjoy your justification of the rape, torture and murder of women internationally.

 

[Useless2015]

I think Muslims need to start to prove to the world that they are a religion of peace, they haven't shown this yet, its all nothing but noise, action speaks louder than mere words, so, we are waiting........lets see by your actions.

Who made you the judge?

 

[psychoslice]

Who made you the judge?

Love and peace for all made me the judge.

 

[jah59]

If I understand you, you're saying that because things tend to go to hell when fundamentalists take over, we should conclude that Islam is bad?

So when something malfunctions, it proves that it is always, essentially, bad? Like if the brakes on my car begin to fire all the time instead of some of the time, it proves that cars should never have brakes?

Is that what you're saying?

Or are you buying into the ISIS propaganda that they are the oldest and purest representation of the faith, as opposed to (as in reality) a 21st century cult?

It is not actually ISIS propaganda. It is based on history, the original sacred writings including the Quran and the hadith, the earliest and most reliable Muslim historians themselves (see Is Islam a peace-loving religion?). ISIS is a fundamentalist sect of Islam. When we someone is a fundamentalist Christian, we have to worry about them separating themselves from the world, loving others as they love themselves, and warning you of hell as these are from the New Testament, which contains the earliest and most sacred teachings which Christians are called to follow. When someone is a fundamentalist Muslim, you have to worry about them killing you if you are considered a non-believer.

 

[J2hapydna]

Of course you would. Your approach to this thread has been childish at best.



I've never taken one. I'd trust my higher education success as a measure of my communication and comprehension skills. You, on the other hand, have made a series of errors in your engagement with this thread in addition to some very awry interpretations of what has actually been said.

Once again: enjoy your justification of the rape, torture and murder of women internationally.

It couldn't have been much of a higher education without a GRE.

 

[J2hapydna]

Of course you would. Your approach to this thread has been childish at best

I called you childish and a few posts later, now you call me childish. The least you could do is try to be original. What was your higher education degree in, plagiarism?

Once again our debate ended when you denied that one of the wealthiest and one of the technically most sophisticated nations in the world could unite and influence a tiny 3rd work country by comparing it to a schoolyard brawl. Let it go nobody is debating you

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Finally decided to respond to this thread (full disclosure -- I haven't read most of it).

I don't "hate Muslims." I don't hate Christians, or Jews, or Sikhs or Jains. I don' hate atheists and I don't hate agnostics. I don't hate deists or polytheists or pantheists or panentheists (though I can't tell the difference between the last two). I don't even hate people who are taller, smarter, better looking or better hung than I am.

What I do dislike, however, is anyone who supposes that they have latched on to some sort of truth that must, therefore, be true for not only themselves, but for everybody else, too.

If you would kill somebody because they have lost their faith in Islam (or Christianity, or Judaism, or anything else), I hate that about you.

If you would disown your own daughter or son because they fell in love with someone of a different religion, I would hate that about you.

If you would insist that anyone behave in a way that is not natural for them for no other reason than that it is what YOU believe and what YOU would do, I would hate that about you. Because who the hell are you to decide?

What the hell do you think you know that everybody else doesn't? How can you be so blindly stupid as to imagine for yourself a God that could make his truth known to you -- but was utterly powerless to make it known to everybody else?

Think carefully about that last sentence, by they way. Because if you don't get it, you will never, really, have any true understanding at all. You will just be a bigot -- one more among billions, but a bigot all the same.

 

[Alison Wonderland]

It couldn't have been much of a higher education without a GRE.

What a stupid thing to say.

For the record: J2hapydna believes a GRE is the pinnacle of education.

I checked it out when you mentioned it. It's nothing special. I'm actually kind of embarrassed for you for going down that route.

Like I said: I'll trust my actual qualifications that aren't some two-bit, bus bench desperate attempt to improve someone's lame CV.

 

[Alison Wonderland]

I called you childish and a few posts later, now you call me childish. The least you could do is try to be original. What was your higher education degree in, plagiarism?

Once again our debate ended when you denied that one of the wealthiest and one of the technically most sophisticated nations in the world could unite and influence a tiny 3rd work country by comparing it to a schoolyard brawl. Let it go nobody is debating you

Here, you demonstrate that you don't have a full understanding of what plagiarism is.

Like I stated before: there was no "debate" in the first place because you fail to communicate, comprehend or sustain any viable viewpoint.

You're essentially just being toyed with in this thread.