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Why do so many religious people care what others believe?

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Seriously, why?
From the beginning politics and religion are nearly the same thing. You can look at written history starting way back with the Pharoahs. The world has been changing (and improving) since the discovery of grain and farms. So many years ago a person expected to spend most of their time working, then getting sick, then dying. A boy hoped to live to be 30 or 40. A girl hoped to survive bearing children. Food was terrible. Medicine was relatively useless. Wild beasts were a threat and could only be countered by strong hunters. Diseases were inexplicable. People wondered if life would go on dreary and terrible as it always had. Enter the early politicians. A politician spreads hope like candy and makes all kinds of promises. They'll literally promise anything as long as they don't have to come up with it immediately.

Since that time religion has gone through various phases. From time to time people decide to make positive changes, and these changes get incorporated into their political and religious lives which are not actually separate things. Good ideas don't get integrated easily. We resist change. We say "We've done without that for ages and ages, so we can keep doing without that. We don't want to think about it."

Sometimes a generation wakes up and is unhappy with the way things are and criticizes what a previous generation has done. Often it is in ignorance of the past. The innovations this generation makes may be criticized by future generations as regressive. So it is that people criticize 'Religion' today while continuing to be as religious as ever. The Democrats are a religious group as are the Republicans as are the Socialist Party, Labor and the Conservative Party. These are all religious. The US Constitution is a religious document. Our courts are religious courts, relying always upon precedents, prestige, gorgeous expensive buildings with a special priesthood of lawyers which are gradually replacing other religious priesthoods.

So...that's why.

I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.
That is a modern religion. An ancient religion would have encouraged you to dominate others for the sake of your family and tribe. A modern religion can turn nasty though. We are all sensitive to the general push of society and can get carried away as if in a fast current.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.
...or "You're an idiot because you voted for XYZ. Don't you understand B about A? What the bleep is wrong with you?"
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
But, the point is...when I hear that the US was founded on Christian principles, it's sort of embarrassing that slave ownership, the slaughtering of American Indians, women not being permitted to vote, etc...is part of the history that runs parallel to ''Christian principles.'' What were these Christian principles? It seems to me that only a certain group was privileged (not a word I like, but it fits here) while others...like African Americans, native Americans and women were not treated equal. I can't see Jesus in any of that, you know?

Correct, Christs kingdom is not of this Earth. All those things were secular.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
That's one thing I admire about Jews is they don't feel the need to evangelize the world... The people that tell other people how to behave gives the best example of how not to behave.

Those are the people in my experience who give the best demonstration of why not to believe what they do...
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
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Premium Member
It seems rather impossible for one's religion - even if we are defining religion in a narrower sense - to avoid "infringing" on others lives or doing "harm." Any sort of relationship or interaction may be perceived as "infringement" if one party finds the interactions disagreeable; it seems an inevitability. Similarly, "harm" looks equally inevitable for the same reasons. There must be a better way to draw up some standards, yes?

Or perhaps not. Intercultural, interpersonal, and interspecies interactions are always going to be fraught with pleasures and pains alike.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
Seriously, why? I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.

#stopthemadness

I do it because the blind faith of the revealed religions teaches us to be irrational by believing that something is true based solely on passion and desire; nihilists are vacant; and atheists reject hope. If you'd care to know what's left, by all means, ask.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
That's one thing I admire about Jews is they don't feel the need to evangelize the world...

While Judaism is the least dis-respectable of the revealed religions, they still believe in a supernatural interactive God. And before the Diaspora, they evangelized. In fact, early on, they violently conquered Israel and killed or enslaved everyone around them who wasn't Hebrew. But somehow they still speak of all that with great solemnity
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Jesus commanded Christians to teach everyone the Gospel.
There a huge, HUGE, difference between that and outright condemning someone to hell, belittling them, mocking them, and insulting them (and sometimes, though rarely here anymore, attack). If they want to ask me if I would like to hear about it and are polite to me, I have no problems being polite back. But once they insist that I have to start doing certain things and I have to quit doing other things, I tend to become a hungry wolf feasting upon an easy and fattened prey. When they make pleas that I have to believe for their own personal benefit/sake, my tongue sharpens.
And it's not that these people don't realize they are being rude--they know how they behave--they refuse to accept they are being rude about it. Do you want someone knocking on your door on a Saturday afternoon trying to sell you something out of a magazine?

rejecting faith and claiming undeniable truth, intellectual superiority, that's where the problems always begin is it not?
No, it's not.
The issue arises when one person believes his/her beliefs are more correct than another's and s/he beings to tell another how s/he should believe.
Good point. That's why I try to avoid my sister, over religion and pretty much any other subject we disagree on (and there are a lot of them, including my music interests and green-vegetable-hating-tongue).
 

Jesster

Friendly skeptic
Premium Member
There are millions, nay billions, who live their entire lives in misery and pain. So then the atheists come along and tell them, sorry, this is it.
Note my moniker.
Do you think this is going to convince me of your beliefs in any way? It usually doesn't go so well when people start out by putting words in my mouth. All this does is increase tension. This is exactly why rant threads like this exist.
 

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
That's why I try to avoid my sister, over religion and pretty much any other subject we disagree on (and there are a lot of them, including my music interests and green-vegetable-hating-tongue).

My sister is the same way. She lives in Georgia, Southern Baptist, proud of the confederate flag as though it's not a veritable symbol of hate. I don't know where she went wrong.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
In general my understanding to religions or trusting to others religous(non-Muslims) is changed since I came here :)

Unforunetly there is some steoretypes everywhere,for exemple in Arabs community.
All non-Muslims are not trustful,women are not faithful...etc, but they forget that there are many Muslims are not trustful and women are not faithful...

Actualy RF made big impact in my life. :)
It's all about morals and how I being treated by,not about religion tag, or being agree all time,I mean we can't force we other to belief in same way :)

I can't emphasize enough how much appreciation and respect I think the above post deserves.

Hats off. :clapping:
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Seriously, why? I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.

#stopthemadness

is this a belief you are selling to others? :D (take this post as a light hearted joke - people are too serious here sometimes, I agree)
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What fantasy.
That we can factually and truthfully know anything that exists beyond our incredibly limited human senses.
And it keeps you from seeing that all I offered is hope.
Hope in what? Something that can only ever be taken on faith? If you need hope in a better life after this one, you have some serious problems going on. And it seems to me such a mentality may be why we still have the suffering we do, as people become conditioned to just accept this life as it is because the next one will be better.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
I said: "exactly what words did I put in your mouth.

For starters...atheists reject hope.


It's the atheist position that this is it, there's no afterlife. What does that say to the aforementioned billions vis a vis hope? And if you admit the hereafter is a possibility but with no God, you'd be skating on thin air.
 

Jesster

Friendly skeptic
Premium Member
I said: "exactly what words did I put in your mouth.




It's the atheist position that this is it, there's no afterlife. What does that say to the aforementioned billions vis a vis hope? And if you admit the hereafter is a possibility but with no God, you'd be skating on thin air.
I have plenty of hope. Stop acting like you know me. This is why pushing doesn't work. You don't want to see or hear who you are talking to.
 
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