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Why do so many religious people care what others believe?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Seriously, why?

Most likely, there's more than one reason why believers often enough condemn what others believe and try to convert others to their own beliefs. Offhand, I can think of three possible reasons.

Human Instinct. A number of scientists are of the opinion that our preference for sharing the same beliefs as others is an instinct that evolved in us as a means of furthering group cohesion, which would have been advantageous to our survival.

Religions and Social Stability. From the time of the earliest civilizations, a clear purpose of many religions has been to further social stability by providing an ideological justification for the existing social order. You can see this through-out history. The effect has been that to question the religion is almost to question the existing social order -- at different times and places, doing so was treated in much the same way as an act of treason would be treated. Even today, there are plenty of people here in America who associate atheism with being anti-American.

Inadequate Education. Human instinct and peer pressure to conform are not easily overcome, but a good education goes a long ways in helping to balance those things out. Unfortuntely, not a lot of people these days have a good education - especially in America. What they have are educations suited to making them employable. But there is a huge difference between being employable, and being well educated.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Seriously, why? I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.

#stopthemadness

It seems to me that people who are obsessed with getting others to believe what they believe are generally people with very weak faith. They feel threatened by the idea that people have perspectives that are different from theirs.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Seriously, why? I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.

#stopthemadness
To be completely fair, I think a large number of non-religious people care about the beliefs of others too.

I, for one, care a great deal about what people believe. Partly because beliefs influence our actions, and partly just because I am always interested in finding out how and why people believe what they do and whether or not they are right. I would say that beliefs that don't infringe on the rights of other or hurt anyone are naturally less of a concern, but I am still a person who seeks to debate even the most benign positions, because I believe understanding what we believe and challenging them (even if they are completely harmless) leads to a further understanding of truth and inches us closer to collective understanding.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
I mostly care when people want to force their beliefs on others, or eliminating people who believe differently. Other than that I'm fine with people having even beliefs that condemn me for something for any strange reason.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
As always I think this is where faith is so important, if we all acknowledge our beliefs as such, whatever they are, we are all open to questioning our own beliefs as well as others

rejecting faith and claiming undeniable truth, intellectual superiority, that's where the problems always begin is it not?

Depends on your definition of truth

If you definition goes along the lines of that which is in accordance with fact or reality then it cannot be honestly denied.

If your definition goes along the lines of that which i have been told without evidence, or that which is written in a holy book, without evidence to back it up, or that which sounds right because it gently massages my sensibilities, then yes that's where the problems begin.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Seriously, why? I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.

#stopthemadness
So... are you saying that "they are wrong"? :D
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Absolutely brother. Stereotypes rob people of their humanity in the eyes of those who keep them. We should never regard each other as , that Muslim, or that Christian, or whatever. If we all regard each other as first, human beings and deserving of kindness and respect and then have polite dialogue about our beliefs the world would be a much better place. I know that personally having conversations with you regarding your religion of Islam has given me a much wider and more positive view of your faith. And for that I thank you. :)
Thank you brother for these kind words,almost 8 years, I think it's about being searching and learning and listening to others opinion/views with respect,despite the disagreement,and being rude at my newbie period first two years :D

I do believe that there is no two persons in this earth agree on everything,so it's would be idiot to hate/reject people because their opinion or belief,except hatefull ones.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Seriously, why? I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.

#stopthemadness
everyone has a belief system. when someone is unsure of the truth, they act from belief, or disbelief.

whether hell is true, or not, is irrelevant but making choices on belief due to lack of knowledge of results/reaction based on cause and action is a sort of hell in itself.

its called grasping at straws.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Depends on your definition of truth

If you definition goes along the lines of that which is in accordance with fact or reality then it cannot be honestly denied.

If your definition goes along the lines of that which i have been told without evidence, or that which is written in a holy book, without evidence to back it up, or that which sounds right because it gently massages my sensibilities, then yes that's where the problems begin.

^ case in point.

Because you hold your beliefs to be undeniable fact, anyone with differing beliefs is then by definition 'dishonest' and/or 'intellectually inferior'. And this is an inevitable source of anger, frustration, disdain, contempt

I don't consider you dishonest, you sound like a perfectly intelligent, honest, well meaning person to me, entirely capable of critical thought... who looks at the same evidence I do, and comes to a different conclusion.

I can only grant you this courtesy by acknowledging my own beliefs as just that, they are not beyond questioning, I am not in any way offended by you not sharing them.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Seriously, why? I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.

#stopthemadness
I am no great evangelist myself, but I am a rabid apologist for Christianity. Let me ask you a question.

If a person knew (I mean had certainty) that heaven, hell, and God existed and they knew how to get to heaven would you have wished he had shared that information if you wound up in the other place?

Do you not want doctors to let you know about your mere physical health and cures and causes for diseases you may have or get either?

Let me quote an atheist in response to your question.

Jillette then stated he doesn't respect people who don't proselytize.
"How much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize?" Jillette asked. "How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them that? If I believed beyond a shadow of a doubt that a truck was coming at you and you didn't believe it, and that truck was bearing down on you, there's a certain point where I tackle you. And this is more important than that."

ATHEISM: Penn Jillette urges evangelism
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
I am no great evangelist myself, but I am a rabid apologist for Christianity. Let me ask you a question.

If a person knew (I mean had certainty) that heaven, hell, and God existed and they knew how to get to heaven would you have wished he had shared that information if you wound up in the other place?
This presumes that another person doesn't have any certainty. In fact, people have different certainties. Force feeding your beliefs is unwarranted.

Do you not want doctors to let you know about your mere physical health and cures and causes for diseases you may have or get either?

This parable is completely different. WIth a doctor, a person is paying the doctor for their medical opinion and they want that opinion. With an evangelist, they are forcing their beliefs onto another, no matter whether they want it or not.
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
Seriously, why? I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.

#stopthemadness

Would you be concerned if a dear loved one of yours believed something and acted on those beliefs in a way that you thought was harmful to that person? Would you gently, patiently, and lovingly try to suggest a new way of thinking? I suspect you would tread lightly, but try, while respecting their freedom to do as they please. The message of the gospel of Jesus Christ is that it's the best way to bring lasting happiness to people. If you believe that and if you love people, you will try in a patient and kind way to share.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I am no great evangelist myself, but I am a rabid apologist for Christianity. Let me ask you a question.

If a person knew (I mean had certainty) that heaven, hell, and God existed and they knew how to get to heaven would you have wished he had shared that information if you wound up in the other place?

Do you not want doctors to let you know about your mere physical health and cures and causes for diseases you may have or get either?

Let me quote an atheist in response to your question.

Jillette then stated he doesn't respect people who don't proselytize.
"How much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize?" Jillette asked. "How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them that? If I believed beyond a shadow of a doubt that a truck was coming at you and you didn't believe it, and that truck was bearing down on you, there's a certain point where I tackle you. And this is more important than that."

ATHEISM: Penn Jillette urges evangelism

So I guess you'll be thankful when an Islam apologist tells you that if you don't convert, you're in danger?
 
Seriously, why? I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.

#stopthemadness
That's an easy one.

From the 'believer' side, since they lack evidence their belief is powered by a desire for what they believe to be true. The more people that agree, the easier that illusion is to maintain.

From the non-believer side, a quick look at history shows the kind of things that can happen when people are guided by rhetoric and emotion. Many see religious beliefs as not only delusions and dangerous, but also a counterproductive impediment.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Seriously, why? I honestly don't care what anyone believes, as long as their beliefs don't a) infringe on others' lives and b) don't hurt anyone.

This obsession so many people have to tell others ''you're wrong,'' or ''you're going to hell because you don't believe in...'' it's just mind numbing.

#stopthemadness

It's mind-numbing to me to avoid telling people about Hell.

It's mind-numbing to me to avoid telling people about the dangers of drug abuse.

It's mind-numbing to me to avoid helping people instead of hurting them.

It's mind-numbing to me to have the truth from God and avoid telling people about Hell.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
It's mind-numbing to me to avoid telling people about Hell.

It's mind-numbing to me to avoid telling people about the dangers of drug abuse.

It's mind-numbing to me to avoid helping people instead of hurting them.

It's mind-numbing to me to have the truth from God and avoid telling people about Hell.

Suppose someone feels the same as you but doesn't believe in the same faith as you do? The problem isn't your zeal to tell people, the problem is believing you have all the answers and without your warnings, we are all doomed.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
This presumes that another person doesn't have any certainty. In fact, people have different certainties. Force feeding your beliefs is unwarranted.
That is incorrect. As Descartes the only thing we can know with certainty is that we think and therefor must exist. All other claims are a matter of probability. However you are right is saying that differing levels of knowledge mean that people have differing levels of probability as to the reliability of what they believe to be true. But there are no differing levels of certainty just as there are no differing levels of truth.



This parable is completely different. WIth a doctor, a person is paying the doctor for their medical opinion and they want that opinion. With an evangelist, they are forcing their beliefs onto another, no matter whether they want it or not.
You literally can't force belief (actual faith) on anyone. You can force some to claim they believe, to act as if they believe but you can't force them to actually believe.

No evangelist is forcing you to turn him on your TV, let them into your house, or force you to go to their event.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
It's mind-numbing to me to avoid telling people about Hell.

It's mind-numbing to me to avoid telling people about the dangers of drug abuse.

It's mind-numbing to me to avoid helping people instead of hurting them.

It's mind-numbing to me to have the truth from God and avoid telling people about Hell.
Are you sure that telling people about belief in eternal torments of Hell won't hurt them? And are you sure Hell really exists?
 
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