Dogknox20
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The empowered Church at Pentecost baptizes!
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Why do some Christians reject Baptism saves?
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Dogknox20
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Yes... It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
ALL Added to Christ are saved! Baptism ADDS the Christian to the risen body of Christ! All ADDED to Christ live forever because Jesus lives eternally!
John 3:16 ..... that whoever believes in "LOVE" shall not perish but have eternal life. All who believe in LOVE are saved!
1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
Satan started the TRADITION of all man needs is Faith! It takes God out of salvation!
Satan started the TRADITION of "All man needs is the scriptures" It takes the TRUTH out of salvation!
1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
Rejecting the Holy Church for her book is the root cause of damnation... It forces each person to become a scripture scholar; forces each to become an expert in ancient customs and languages!
If they accept the teraching of their church then scriptures are then NOT ALONE but scriptures plus the teaching of the pastor! FACT...
Wildswanderer fact is it makes each person into a little pope!
You MUST LOVE the demons have Faith ALONE they haven't love only hate! The Demon has NO Hope they are HOPELESS just as the person with ONLY Faith just as the "Faith ALONE Goats"!
Dogknox20
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The Queen of England has 80 million subjects ALL...
Wildswanderer all can walk around her garden of Buckingham Palace BUT only her children can enter the Throne Room!
Only the Children of the Queen will have an inheritance!
The Thief went to heaven "A GARDIN" he did not enter the KINGDOM he died before he could be ADDED to the Body of Jesus by the empowered Church!
John the Baptist was GREATER then the THIEF but he also was NOT in the KINGDOM he also ended up in a Garden! John the Baptist also died before he could be ADDED to the risen Body of Jesus!
Baptism saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. All who died before the Empowered Church could baptize did not enter the KINGDOM!
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
Water AND Spirit; NOT spirit ALONE!
Wildswanderer Baptism is with WATER!
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the holy Ghost, as well as we?
48 So he commanded them to be baptized in the Name of the Lord.
Peter speaking for Jesus COMMANDED that they be baptized with WATER! They had the Holy Spirit now all they needed was to be ADDED to the resurrected body of Jesus BY WATER!
Jesus wanted them Baptized with water so Peter with the AUTHORITY of Jesus; in Jesus' name COMMANDED it done!
Same with Philip; Jesus wanted the Eunuch to be baptized with water! Philip was told by God to teach the Eunuch... Philip did just that with the scriptures he convinced the Eunuch the importance of Baptism, Philips job was not finished until the Eunuch was Baptized WITH WATER!
Wildswanderer Baptism ADDS people to the risen body of Jesus!
3000 people were ADDED to the Body of Jesus the first day of Pentecost by BAPTISM!
Wildswanderer
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Ok. They baptized believers.
Wildswanderer
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No, belief does. I can quote dozens of clear verses that state that vs your misreading of a couple to make them say water saves.
Wildswanderer
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No one kisses my ring, so no. I don't wear a pointy hat either.
Wildswanderer
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Baloney. He went to heaven.
Wildswanderer
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Baloney. John was saved by faith in Jesus.
Wildswanderer
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So Nicodemus was supposed to know something he knew nothing about? Jesus chastised him for not being a fortune teller and knowing the future? Jesus told him something he should have known as a scholar of the Torah. That was that spiritual cleansing is what brings us into the kingdom. Not any ritual.
Dogknox20
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Colossians 2:11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
(above) Paul notes that baptism has replaced circumcision! Paul refers to baptism as “the circumcision of Christ” and “the circumcision made without hands.” In the Old Testament, if a man wanted to become a Jew, he had to believe in the God of Israel and be circumcised. Circumcision ADDED the infant to the Jewish nation!
Baptism ADDS people to the Family of God!
3000 were ADDED to the Holy Body of Jesus on the first day of Pentecost BY BAPTISM!
3000 were SAVED BY BAPTISM the first day of Pentecost!
Buried with Jesus in baptism, MEANS we CANNOT die a second time! IF...
Wildswanderer if we have died we cannot die again it means we will live forever! NO ONE...
Wildswanderer no one can die two times! You can't even kill a stinking no good for nut-in stinking dog twice! One DEATH is allowed.. Jesus died NEVER EVER to die again.. IF...
Wildswanderer if you are ADDED to the risen body of Jesus by baptism you will live forever! Baptism SAVES YOU!
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
Dogknox20
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Matthew 11:11
Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John!
Wildswanderer did you see it? least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than JOHN! John did NOT enter the Kingdom! He was NOT baptized by the EMPOWEED CHURCH at Pentecost!
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
Least in the KINGDOM is greater then John!
John was among those born of women! John was NOT among those born of God!
John did NOT enter the KINGDOM because he was NOT re-Born by Water & Spirit!
Wildswanderer no one can enter the kingdom unless they are born of water and the Spirit. John was NOT born of water and Spirit!
Wildswanderer
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Circumcision was also a sign. People were always saved by faith, not signs.
The New Testament Greek word for baptize is baptizo,which means to immerse. In the previous verse (Romans 6:3), Paul taught that when you received Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you were spiritually immersed into Christ’s death. Now in this verse, Paul elaborates on the spiritual meaning and impact of this divine truth.
Paul states that when we were born again, we were buried with Christ through spiritual immersion (baptism) into His death.
It's not the water, it's faith that enables us to be in Christ. Water baptism is just a sign.
Dunkin a baby just makes him wet...not saved.
Wildswanderer
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Wow that's a twisted interpretation.
Yes, John the Baptist was still a sinner and still lived on earth. So Jesus said that the least person in the KOH was greater than John the Baptist. The least person in heaven was holy and had a new immortal body, but John was a sinner on earth. Yes, John the Baptist was going to heaven. But he was not there yet.
Actually Jesus spoke very highly of John here. Likely because John was the one that got to announce the Messiah had come.
Dogknox20
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Wildswanderer Circumcision is more then a sign.. If they were NOT circumcised they were NOT members of the Jewish Nation; Circumcision ADDED the person to the Jewish community!
Christians have ALWAYS Baptized to be saved!
3000 people were SAVED by Baptism the first day of Pentecost!
If you are NOT baptized into the Body of God' ONLY SON you are NOT a child of God!
3000 were ADDED to the Body of Jesus the first day of Pentecost by Baptism!
The Anti-Christ is Anti-Christian.. It is a sure thing that Satan introduced the man made TRADITION of all man needs is faith to be saved!
God is LOVE man is saved by LOVE!
Scriptures are clear... You MUST LOVE to be saved!
Scriptures are clear... You must be BAPTIZED to enter the Kingdom! The Thief and John did not enter the KINGDOM but only a Garden!
Scriptures are clear... The Goats at the Judgement when Jesus returns are Judged "Satan's Children" they go to Satan because they have "Faith ALONE!"
Scriptures are clear... The man with "Faith Alone" is without Hope or LOVE he is Hopeless and Godless!
Scriptures are clear... The Man with Faith ALONE cannot put on the "Breastplate of Righteousness" because the Breastplate is made with LOVE!
Scriptures are clear... The Man with Faith ALONE cannot put on the "Helmut of Salvation" because the Helmut is made with "HOPE"! The Protestant who has placed his salvation in the man made TRADITION of saved by ONLY Faith is Hopeless he cannot be saved!
Wildswanderer Scriptures are clear... Baptism makes Jesus' brothers and sisters! If Jesus was your brother then God would be your father! As it is you are NOT in God' family you reject the scriptures so you CONDEMN yourself!
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in LOVE shall not perish but have eternal life.
God is LOVE man is saved by LOVE!
1 Timothy 2:15
But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
Wildswanderer So much for saved by FAITH ALONE!
Wildswanderer Christians have ALWAYS Baptized to be saved! It was not until the Great Protest and the De-Formation 1700 years AFTER Jesus that man rejected Jesus! They placed their faith in the man made TRADITION of "Don't need Love just faith in my self to enter God' Kingdom"! Satan had his hand in the fragmentation of man by introducing these two great lies!
Faith ALONE forces each man to reject God! God is LOVE
Scriptures ALONE forced each man to become a scripture scholar forced each to decide ALONE with NO HELP what truth is! The TRADITION made the de-Former reject the scriptures called the scriptures lies from the mouth of God!
Wildswanderer you tread on egg shells your salvation is at stake because you REJECT the words of God for the lies of the Protestors; men who rejected Jesus for a man made TRADITION!
1 John 3:7
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
Doing RIGHT makes a person RIGHTIOUS! The Righteous are saved!
24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
Dogknox20
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FACT: John was dead he had been decapitated when Jesus said this.. "The least IN the Kingdom is greater then he"!
John was dead Jesus said; of all the people ever born the LEAST in the KINGDOM was greater then John! John did NOT enter the KINGDOM he entered a Garden! IF...
Wildswanderer if The Thief entered a Garden and NOT the KINGDOM then John for sure also entered Paradise because he was greater then the Thief but the least IN THE KINGDOM was still greater BECAUSE...
Those IN the KINGDOM have an inheritance they are the Children of the KING!
Those IN the KINGDOM enter the throne room! The Apostles are an example they are sitting on THRONES in the Throne room!
All ADDED to the Holy Body of Jesus by Baptism also enter the Throne room because Jesus is The KING!
Wildswanderer
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But it didn't save them. You are getting sidetracked. There were people saved back then we were not circumcized or Jews.
Wildswanderer
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Oh good grief. Have you no understanding of context?
Do you really think only women who have kids are saved?
This is not claiming that a woman must have children in order to be saved. It is not even teaching that a woman must be married to be saved. But for those women who are married, God assigns a special responsibility to care for the home.
This is a general statement about women with kids being faithful to thier calling not about how to attain eternal life.
Wildswanderer
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No that would be the Catholic church who reject a lot of scripture for their tradition.
Wildswanderer
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Where's it say all Christians are in the throne room?
Heaven will be part of the new earth. We all aren't going to be in one place.
I hope to meet John the Baptist in heaven.
So paradise changes when the new earth is made but John is in paradise now.
People were saved by faith under both covenants.
Did John have faith? Of course!
Was he baptized,? We don't know.
Where's it say John went to a garden?
Dogknox20
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The Circumcised were ADDED to the Jewish Nation!
The Baptized are ADDED to the Family of God!
The Baptized are saved because: They are God' Children! The Children of the KING get an Inheritance they are admitted to the KINGDOM of God!
QUESTION: Can you expect to get an Inheritance from your neighbor... NO! Only his children will receive an Inheritance!
Acts 20:32
“Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
The Sanctified are the saved!
3000 were ADDED to the body of Jesus God' ONLY SON!
3000 were SAVED by Baptism!
Wildswanderer If you are ADDED to God' ONLY Son then you can also call God Father just as Jesus does!
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
Ephesians 5:5
For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
NO ONE can enter the Kingdom unless they are Baptized!
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.